prayingfordaylight

I get not a working number on that deal. Dawn

Men and women are wired differently, without a doubt, and I certainly got what you were saying, david about the title of this...and it being more about the story. It shows up very well in here...THE DIFFERENCES between men and women. Yeah, smiling and eye contact are good things. Sometimes though, if a person is not smiling I wonder why, and it's not always in my mind about them not being trustworthy. Sometimes I like to dig a little deeper than that, and that just me and not the opinions of everyone. Eye contact....thats a whole nother story.... And really, how people listen...is probably the biggest one. Nothing is black and white really, and their are major differences between men and women in generaL.AND GOSH, the girl or guy who really learns that one, has truly learned something very valuable. If there werent, wonder if the divorce rate would go down and the things that seem to come between men and women (and yes, people in general) wouldnt be so high. Since the topic is about men and women being different, guess that was the focal point here...so, I am ENDEAVORING to listen. The conspiracy continues... Dawn

Great story, and rings true with my experiences. I am reminded of a picture that was posted on the internet awhile back of a baby, sitting in the kichen sink with dishes floating all around him....and the caption said...this is why you dont ask your man to give the baby a bath and do the dishes....I will try to find it, its really cute. I dont think its about men being wierd, as much as its about men thinking woman are strange and women thinking men are strange and wierd, also. If this seminar helped answer some of those issues, it was worth every bit of time it took to sit through it. I LOVE going to seminars, in that I love learning and have found that so many people out there actually have a "slant" on something that I would never in my wildest imagination thought of myself. I go to all types of crud with a nursing degree...this would have been once that I would have really enjoyed sitting through. My questions would be this. 1. Men and women speak different languages....does that mean women tell TOO much and men usually are stating the opposite of what they REALLY want to say? (or is it the other way around)?? 2. Men seek independence and women seek intamacy....so does that mean it will never ever work right unless the man is an upstanding man, that knows WHAT to do with independence and the woman will have to learn that intimacy from a man may mean that just the fact that he includes you...(NOT TALKING SEX HERE, THATS THE ONE that should just be the GIVEN) he is being very intimate with you? 3. Men will never fully understand woman and woman will never fully understand men, get used to it, get over it, but stay faithful and you will see why? These would be my questions about this. INTERESTING TOPIC... dawn

I am interested deeply in all of these posts, and the pharase...JUST GET OVER IT...is probably one of those things that will certainly be different for everyone. However, if you are one of the one's affected by someone else who just cant get over it, I guess you have your own choices to make...and sometimes in making those other people just may very well........get over it a little faster. We cannot live in a timecapsule that says...hey, I got hurt....validate me, feel sorry for me and let me grieve for 10 years....unless we ourselves are willing to let others do what they need to do with that information. You can be there for someone, and NO ...it doesnt matter how long you have or have not known someone if you CARE...(how long did Jesus know the woman with the issue of blood)...ITS ABOUT what ALL people involved are willing to deal or not deal with. For some, they are patient and kind...much like the bible tells us to be....and for others...they are wise and peaceful, and may need to move away from YOUR hurt. None of us corners the market on "JUST GET OVER IT" and even though it hurts...and we all have to heal....its still somewhat of a selfish state of mind to be in, sorry...but its true. and if you dont think that I myself have had my fair share of hurt to deal with, you are sadly mistaken...but I own it, its mine, and I will do or not do what I need to about it. HOPEFULLY though, the sun WILL come out tommorrow and I dont need to spend a good chunk of my life dealing with it. And sorry, sometimes...god does put people in our lives to try and help us, and we just are "so hurt" THAT CERTAINLY no one can possibly understand my pain but me. BS. I also say, turn to Isaiah and read who JESUS CHRIST came for....hmmmmm.......could it possibly be the "broken hearted"?? If you want someone to help you get over it, there is a good start. Just my thoughts, Dawn Praying for daylight

Some people really do and have "gotten over it" and for those who have not, more power and love to you. Also, there are other people who work alot of hours, and may not be able to sit on the internet for hours everyday and post and be posted. No one has a right to judge anyone else that comes in here, for whatever reasons they have and be the lord over the grease spot. I dont care if I am new here, I believe that what I am saying is true. I am thankful to those of you who have the time and are articulate enough.....lol...to post, thats great, but just because you think someone is reading between the lines or not SOLD OUT to the spot, that cant be right, can it? I just see it from all angles now, something I probably wasnt capable of a few years back due to excessive anger toward the Way, oh and lets see.....an ACTUAL Way Corps Experience and probably alot of obsessive compulsive disorder. At any rate, and for whatever reasons....keep on posting, all of you. Its been educational. prayingfordaylight.

From my knowledge of Craig, and from all the accounts that you give of him, I agree with the fact that he is dealing with incrediable sadness, to say the least. I always viewed Craig in the role of the "patsy" that should have and could have done better and thought better about any choices that he made. Let us still not forget, however...the times that we were ALL intrenched and submerged into Way thinking, and although our sins may not have been as public and even as hidious, we still all had them, and could figure out at the time how to justify having them. How we all feel about Craig Martindale will be different and we are all entitled to that...however every single time I remember Craig around Wierwille, he was just as much a pile of brain mush just like the rest of us. I also saw a man that at other instances and other times was capable of Godly sorrow or human groveling. I dont defend one thing that he did wrong, its just that I have seen him, when he did do things wrong, admit to it and appear to have some form of godly sorrow attached to it. Therefore, I can think that their is truth to some of what Freud is saying here, however I agree with Coolwaters.....lets hear some specifics. I mean, if you are going to come in here and post on this site and take this issue as far as you have, you have people in here that want to know more, and that need their own feelings validated. Thanks for posting, prayingfordaylight