ImSunny2

Organized Christians?

Wow, Socks. . . right on! That is exactly where I got -- I realized that for me to just take someone's word on all this was quite stupid. I decided to find out for myself and let God and Christ show me the way and of course I'm not disappointed in my expectations. There are trinitarians and Christians. I don't see how trinitarians can call themselves Christians and trinitarians don't recognize those of us who believe Christ is the Son, not God the son, as Christians. They follow and believe in the trinity -- hence the name. In my humble opinion from what I've learned, the trinity is a doctrine of devils. Also, it's mainstream so-called Christianity. Christ didn't go with the majority -- I think I'll pass on that myself. Anyway, here's to learning. :)

Socks -- I decided to read my bible and asked God to show me. . . go figure -- He never lets me down. I'm so happy to be getting back on track with my God and my Lord. I'm still reading the history book, I've just not gotten very far yet. Thanks again for suggestion and just wanted to let you know I'm making progress. Thanks to everyone for their replies and jokes -- those were much needed as well to keep things light and in perspective. God bless us all in the name of Jesus Christ! :)

i'm my own grandpa LOL!!!!!!!

You guys are SO FUNNY! I was trying to read some of these at work today but I was so busy I just couldn't do it. The one about Jesus not being the lochness moster -- OMG!!! HAHAHAHAHA. "I was praying to him and he walked right past me and didn't even look up?" (not sure I got that exactly right) HAHAHAHAHAHAH :)

Something I'm realizing in all this is that my love and relationship with my Lord Jesus Christ was almost killed! Yikes! Looking back -- going out witnessing -- our focus was not Jesus Christ it was trying to get people in the class. How many Sunday night teachings or corp teachings can you remember that focused on our relationship with our Lord? The focus was always that he was not God. Okay, I got that, but what about him being our Lord? The one whose footsteps I'm supposed to walk in? The one who is God's example for us to follow? The one who died for us? When I got born again in my teens it was because I learned what Jesus did for me. I had excitement and wanted to tell the whole world about him. The time I spent in the way almost put that light out. Holy cow. What an eye-opener.

Socks, You are very kind. :)

Socks and everyone. Yes, I picked up a copy and am in the process of reading it. It's going to take me more than a weekend but what I've seen so far is great and some reminding of things I knew but forgot. This whole thing has been eye-opening for me. I have not picked up my Bible since I left in 2000. Perhaps this has been God's way of showing me I need to get my head back in there. One thing is for sure, I still believe what I believed. I think that's good. Someone here wrote (I'm paraphrasing) "As long as you are walking in the steps of Jesus Christ, and following his lead, what should it matter?" That's comforting. It just threw me -- I haven't been told I was going to hell in a long long time. . . fear, it's all fear based. What about love?? I'm very glad this forum is here. It gave me a place to go to vent my anger and hurt and read about other people's journeys. Many times I was drunk and wanting to do drugs. But I'm sober now and have a lot of healing under my belt. God is good always. :) :) :)

Wasawayer: Thanks for your interest. That is my point exactly -- am I saved? According to trinitarians, I am not saved and am going to hell. According to what I understand from my Bible, I am saved and will be in the gathering together. So. . . am I? dunno. sure hope so. :(

Thanks, everyone. . . It's been interesting -- to say the least. How can you ever really know that what you are believing is right? Do we get to the end of our lives and pass on to the great beyond only to find out then that everything we believed about God was wrong? Why would God do that to us?? I mean look at all the different ways to see the Bible. I don't need to list all the different so-called Christian beliefs and religions. It became clear to me today when I thought about God raising himself from the dead. Give me a break. Trinitarianism does not make any sense to me. If I've learned anything since I left the way, it's this -- stay away from fanatics and trust God to show the way. When a group is so convinced they have the market cornered on the truth and don't even consider they may not be right about anything, RUN AWAY!!! I was a corpse grad fanatic -- but now I'm not. I'm so thankful that spell was broken. I picked up that book today, Socks, and will give it a read over the weekend. Thanks again, everyone. You all rock -- I'm glad we can all say what's on our minds. :)

Thanks for the direction, Wordwolf. I addressed that in the beginning of my post.

Socks, you can count on that. I'm sure it will take me a couple of days, but I will let you know. :)

Thank you, Socks. I'll be at the bookstore tomorrow on my lunch hour. I just knew God would provide help via this forum. You rock, Socks. :)

Thanks, Oakspear. . . I'm ready to hear what people have to say.

I apologize if this has already been discussed -- if it has, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction. I didn't believe he was before the way. . . but was I brainwashed beyond repair? Am I going to hell because I believe him to be God's son and not God in the flesh? This is starting to keep me awake at night. I don't want to be possessed by a trinitarian devil spirit. . . We humans can see the Word anyway we choose to. How can I know for sure? Someone please help.

WAY BRAIN -- ABSOLUTELY. . . I "wish" people "good luck" for that very reason and say "Merry F****** Christmas" every chance I get! Sorry. . . I got a little carried away there. I do "wish" people "Merry Christmas" and mean it with love.

QUIET THINKER How cruel. I was a corpse grad and saw after I "got out" just how hard-hearted I had become. I had no feelings, no heart, and no love. I was taught to be a robot -- when I saw Star Trek movies about the Borg it reminded me of The Way -- the hive mind. I'm SO SO SORRY you went through what you did. My God -- how rude, how awful, how unloving, we were taught to be. There was no help, no compassion, no love. NONE. God bless you and your son's hearts.

I'm glad he is going well. I think of him often. There are lots of things I'd like to know but hesitate to ask. Thanks.

Do any of your 6th corps folks communicate or know where Ron Ellsworth is?

Hi, Clam. Cute name. It's good to hear that there was one person I didn't hurt in some way. Take care. I'm glad to be out of that nightmare.

Hello. I don't know who are but I'm sure we know each other. I was there as a monster corps grad and worked in PM's office. I was a horrible, compassionate deprived individual -- had absolutely no heart for people. It was amazing to me after I got away that someone could be into something that was supposed to love God and glorify him and have no heart for people. It took living in an apartment above an animal abuser to soften my heart again. It took me months to get the puppy screams out of my mind, but my heart will NEVER be the same. Hope you are happy and things are going well for you.

Hey Fla, You didn't make it sound like she was a bad guy I didn't think she was either! I learned a lot from her about paying attention to details and staying focused. She was and I'm sure still is a good example.

Keith married Michele Koclanes? Wasn't she the cute little dark haired gal? I thought he would have married that model girl he liked so much. Good for him/them. He got a raw deal for sure. I remember Santina Hamm. Yes, she was a tough cookie. That is so funny -- the woman who was always taking naps. . . I'm not sure who it was. I remember my bunk mate was always hitting her head on the door to our dorm room. Our bunk was right behind the door and when she sat on her bed to put on her boots, the door would open and she would get it right on the noggin! Gosh, that makes me laugh. Why didn't she sit somewhere else?? Sorry, I don't remember your injured back. . . I remember when I hurt mine, tho. . . My paint crew boss would sneak up and see me at lunch times when everyone was at lunch and bring me candy bars and see how I was doing. That was during a family camp. I do wonder about Judy. . . and everyone else. It would be fun to have a reunion someday.

In my humble opinion. . . all organized religion can be considered a cult. In the TWI, there was and probably still is brainwashing happening. I remember when I first took the PFAL class in 1986 that I felt as though I was being brainwashed, but I was messed up emotionally and was not able to think clearly. The longer I was involved through way corps training, etc., I could feel the boundaries of my mnd and heart being moved but did not know how to stop it from happening. I was just not strong enough I suppose but there were definitely some very strange spiritual (for lack of a better word) things going on there. If there is a devil, I'm pretty sure he was one who was really running things around there.

I know he did. We both had commitment issues. Have you heard from anyone else from our Corps? This month is my anniversary month -- 6 years of being cult free. It's funny but the day I left is the same day I graduated from PFAL in 1986. It wasn't all bad. I learned a whole lot and could have been in a lot of worse places and circumstances. I believe everything happens for a reason to help us grow and understand God. Hope all is well.