1 john 3:1

"Did I abandon God and his household?" The fruit in my life would indicate otherwise, yet the doubt remains.

Did you abandon The Body of Christ of which Christ is the HEAD, I think not. Stop thinking this way, the word gives revelation so you are receiving revelation. Keep up the great work.................

How wonderful, God is good always & I pray your son sees his place in God's awesome plans. You are a great loving mother, who could ever ask for more.

Wonderful news, will continue to pray for them.

Praying here too.................damn

Know it hurts but things will turn around. God will open doors, Mom's prayers bring results.

The doors are starting to open PL, just be patient and bless your daughter's heart. Keep the conversations as light as possible.

Praying here too, victory is just around the corner, don't give up God has a plan.

Ginger's family did an awesome tribute to Ginger. So much heart went into having everything just perfect.

Am I making sense?

FreeAtLast you make alot of sense. Life is too short.

ps. it just burns my butt that sara and kevin wierwille are on the front page of the CFF page

telll you why sometime. but i'm tired

Exie, I don't think we care since you are not interested in CFF, why do you bother reading, or are you just looking for something to pick on. Actually Kevin shared his heart and did an awesome job of it. Stop being so full of bitterness, it will consume you.

Hey 1 john 3:1, I agree that we don't ''earn'' healing. It is definately by God's grace and mercy ........................ But, can you tell me where it says ''we deserve it?"

just wondering

It's God's will so we deserve whatever he wills for us.

3 John 1:2  Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

FOR FREE AT LAST

I haven't read all the posts here it would take me too long to catch up on that but my opinion is that you have to do what you feel is best.

I was involved in CFF briefly. They are good people. Jon N. was wonderful, and during a pretty rough time in my life he checked on me pretty regularly even though I wasn't attending their meetings at the time. But for me it was too much like the Way. It might have been a psychological thing but I couldn't handle that. It gave me bad vibes, but I believe it was because of the Way. But then again your looking at a girl who can't find a church she likes either. It's a good thing God looks at the heart and not our attendance in a building.

Try it out see if it is something you can handle and if not walk away and don't look back.

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Thanks for sharing, especially the part about "not attending their meetings". The great thing about them is that nothing is mandatory. I believe that was how TWI started out and then got messed up. Everyone is different but at least you reached out to a strong believer and it sounds like he did alot to bless & help you. That is the true test of the walk. He expected nothing in return. Sounds like a gem of a friend.

MDSNPP What a refreshing thread. Could not have said it better. Hopefully it will take on Godly life of it's own from here on. We can start by praying for Exie, guess she isn't blessed........Oh well............

ahhh... now that's a mouthful! ..."does not get teh deliverance they deserve"... did he deserve it? ...just asking...

Let's not rejoice in iniquity, Tom, I don't like to see any believer ill.

Hey Sush,

Quote the whole quote, not just what you want.

Sushi,

this is a personal letter to me...............from Sangat ( & ) also Linda is available to talk to so give her a call......... enough said.

The 1st part was a personal letter to me from Sangat the other was forwarded to my from a believer in Calif. It was from Linda with her name, town & state. I did not go to CFF looking for it, glad you did, helps the doubters. Perhaps you can try whitepages.com If you put the name in you will find two Pauls! Jr. & another Paul. They are probably related.

However; your motivation seems questionable to say the least since you don't believe it. I am sure she is interested in people wtih physical needs who are struggling and that she wants to help.

veepee coulda' used that ministering for a new eyeball

Yes he could have and how sad that he didn't get it. It's sad when anyone is ill and does not get the deliverance they deserve. It's a gift, you don't earn it.

Will continue to keep him in our prayers.........know this hurts you too, will keep you in our prayers also. Uncles are special people.

Thank you God, may she enjoy great health the rest of her life. This is all behind you now. God's abundant blessings on all of you. Will continue to keep you in our prayers.

CONTINUED ANSWERED PRAYER AND GROWTH. I thought you guys would love to keep updated on Baylie, she is coming along but they still need prayer. Please sign her guestbook.......

Julie has updated Baylie's website this week, here is the link that will get you to it:

http://www.caringbridge.org/cb/inputSiteNa...siteName=baylie

You can read "her story", check out Julie's "journal' entries, and sign or view the "guestbook."

I'm going with Vegan on this one. Admittedly, my Googling abilities aren't nearly as good as my wife's, but I couldn't find ANY reference to this. If true, it would have made all the medical journals. I suppose, since the media is owned by 'The Devil', he would want this suppressed. But, I would think 'God' able to overcome this little obstacle.

A link or a direction to look would be greatly appreciated.

Sushi,

this is a personal letter to me...............from Sangat & also Linda is available to talk to so give her a call......... enough said. You can be a doubting thomas but that's your perogative, many of us do not doubt God's ability or the ability of the power of Christ within us.

Sorry but I have to end this here, we are very blessed, God bless you all!

Dear Pink Lady and 1 John, if CFF has brought you healing, then more Power of God to you. However, don't "dis" or "cuss out" other denominations because of differences. Ever since 9/11, we Christians of all stripes need to work and pray together. Agape, Thomas

Excuse me if I missed something here but neither of us are "dis" or "cuss out" other denominations? I believe it is the basis of this forum to do that. We happen to fellowship in many different places. Don't twist or put words in our mouth.

In addition it is GOD that brings healing, working thru his people.

We work with together with more people from many different groups so I am not sure where you are coming from or what you are referring to. Don't include PL & I Thomas in that thought pattern, PL attends a church as well as other places. I really hate the way things on this forum are not read & quoted correctly as well as the twisting. I am not biased against any group, just certain individuals who have caused harm and most already know who they are & they have to live with themselves.

I think this discussion is over for me.

Instead of analizing everything lets just love and let God sort out this mess. I have decided to let my kids, my husband go completely. God WILL BRING MY KIDS BACK TO ME!!! In the mean time I am excited about a new life.

This is the first phase of my deliverance. Stay tuned to Part 2 when God restores my kids back to me. He's working on it. I love you guys. Thanks for your prayers and your support. Pink.

Way to go Pink Lady. You have shared alot of wisdom here and I totally agree with you. I was thinking before (and still haven't yet) going to bed about how much Word each believer here at GS has in their hearts. I hear what they went thru. I believe with all my heart that any one of them could start up their own fellowship in their own home & teach the greatness of the Word. So much Word gets thrown back and forth, it's just a matter of putting it together and just teaching it. I don't see in the Word where it tells anyone (with their experience here) that they can't run their own fellowship. Obviously having been victims, and having posted here for many years, why not just let go and let God & start loving and teaching in their own homes. No one has to Lord over anyone and I think that's what I have been trying to convey here. LEGALISM, hahaha, they changed their fellowship night so you could go to church. I love it.!!!!

After TWI, we just started teaching within our own family & a few of the believers who had left. Well we are still here & Rev. Shroyer, Rev. Clapp and several other believers have just blessed our lives. They just want to know how they can serve us better. It's such a revelation after so many years of the error creeping into TWI. So if we all agree about the legalistic bs, just go run a fellowship, teach what you know & no legalism. You would be amazed what you will see & how God will bless you. Sangat was very instrumental as well as Rev. Shroyer, Rev.Clapp at bringing us back to the greatness of the healing we are now seeing again. That was my first clue that something was very wrong with TWI. Everyone in our area was sick & I mean really sick.

Now that is over and we have moved on with new people. So we just don't get hung up on words & being misread. Like, the law of believing. I still believe law = an avenue to God. Pistis, shmistis who cares. When we believe, awesome things happen. Do bad things happen too, of course but we can tackle it better knowing God is with us. I also hated when ministries began to focus on the Adversary rather than God and his power. It's so subtle..........I would rather confess God did this and God did that instead of what the Adversary is trying to do. This was part of the way down for TWI back in the 90's. Now so many of us have been able to get rid of that last shred of fear that they dumped on us and we are moving again.

So I encourage the gs's here to just go do a fellowship..........teach the Word that you believe in your heart is right. We will never have it all perfect and will waste precious time trying to always figure out every jot and tittle. Just enjoy life and give believers a chance instead of pouncing on every word and being critical.

Enough said, I am going to bed. PL I cann't wait I am so excited for you.................It's gonna happen, in the meantime enjoy life and thank you for your timely post.

Whoa! What's this all about? Did Linda have her eye removed, and replaced with a glass eye when she was two? Now there's a new eye growing where there wasn't one before, and all without surgery or medical attention, just prayer? Am I understanding this right?

I'm going to have to be a doubting Thomas on this one. Is there any way you can link to the story, or is there a news release, or anything about this?

ABSOLUTELY: This was from Sangat on August 26, 2006 in reference.

By the way, I have received a wonderful testimony of Linda Morrison from her husband Paul who live in West Virginia. I thought to share this testimony as it inspired me and I know that this will increase our expectation that nothing is impossible with God.

Linda lost her, I think, her left eyes at her young age so she has been wearing a glass eye when I met her with her husband in Tipp City for the first time.

John and I ministered healing to her as her faith was that she would be able to see. This is the background of this testimony. Our God is indeed the Mighty God and Able to bring to pass all the desires of our heart.

Then later:

An update on Linda's eye. I don't know if anyone told you. July 8 a new eye appeared and she saw flashes of light. It seems to be a small eye growing. It is white with a large dark iris forming. Some blue is starting to show and what looks like a pupil. She can no longer wear her false eye because it won't fit comfortably. She can not see out of it yet and it is much smaller but growing. She wears a patch over it to cover it and protect it. God told her she could show it to her dad and then her mother. they were blown away because they were there when the surgeon removed it. Their whole world was rocked. Her mom now wants ministered to.

He wrote another mail and told me that It is continuing to grow to become a full eye.

THIS NOTE FROM LINDA: Rec'd Dec. 17, 2006..............

My testimony is a bit lengthy but if you read it all the way through it is capable of helping you or someone you know immensely.

At the age of two I was suppose to have corrective surgery for a drooping right eyelid... the surgeons decided to try something new. They cut the eyelid off. Rather brutal. Not too long after the eyelashes began growing back but because the lid had been sliced the lashes grew down and into the eye, piercing it all over like tiny little needles. The eye became badly damaged and i lived in excruciating pain. I lost the sight in the eye. No doctor would take my case because of the fear of malpractice until one day while my dad was having his flight physical a United Airlines Flight Surgeon recommended a doctor in Chicago and one in New York City . These two doctors teamed up and began a lengthy procedure of twenty one surgeries over several years trying to correct the badly damaged eye. They did remarkable work but the sight could not be recovered.

In February of '91 the pressure behind the eye built to a point where I could no longer function. I had to stay in a dark room with pressure over the eye. The pain was unbearable. I couldn't care for my two young sons. I flew to Chicago and had the eye removed. Through the years, even before the eye was removed I searched for healing through spiritual counselors and not a few.

I can very much relate to the woman with the issue of blood. My family had spent a great deal of money and I searched high, low and in between for healing. I too could never accept what the enemy had blindsided me with. However, I was told before the eye was removed that there was not enough community believing to be healed or that healing went out with the Apostles, or it faded away when Jesus left, God only heals really good, religious people (I was either good or religious but never both at the same time or I was really bad). After the eye was removed I was told it never happened in the Bible, God won't heal me because He's have to change all the physical laws in the universe to do it, if I wanted healing I shouldn't have had the eye removed and He (God) won't go against my initial choice, replacing an organ or a limb is nowhere in the Bible... one thing I wasn't told is 'Yes, God will heal you.' I was devastated because these people knew more and probably still do about the Bible than I. They must be right. Besides, they are my leaders. They would know. I couldn't understand why God would heal this disease, that illness, this person, that person, but He won't or He can't heal me. It never made sense and it was extremely hurtful to believe this way. My mistake was I went everywhere but the Word of God for the truth.

In January '06 my husband and I visited CFF church in Tipp City , Ohio . Wayne and Ferne Clapp lovingly and graciously invited us to come and stay in their home. Before we headed back to West Virginia , we purchased the CFF class series. We started listening to them right away. Everyone should have them. They are healing. As I listened to the class Ministering with God's Power- that old tug in my heart came back, I wanted to be healed. By February I had finished the class and as I was walking my two dogs (this is my time with God where I talk things over with Him). I made a decision. I would no longer listen to what ANYONE says about my healing, including and especially myself. I would go to God. I would ask God to heal me. It didn't matter that I'd never heard of anyone ever getting a new eye - the circumstances would no longer have speech, I was healed. I simply decided God would heal me. I ministered to myself during that walk and thanked God for healing me. I told Him I would fight the good fight until my last breath. I would never again accept any information that came to me and implied I was wrong and God won't or can't heal me. Then, God showed me a sign. I didn't ask for it but He sent one that couldn't argue with. I knew He did it because He knew I was serious and wanted to comfort and confirm for me.

My fight began in February. I went to Tipp City at the end of April and was ministered too. I hadn't seen any physical changes. But, I did not quit or give in. I kept fighting because our God cannot and does not lie. I drenched my brain in scripture. I confessed out loud "I'm healed" over and over and over again - I still do.

On June the 8th '06 I woke up and there was a new eye forming in the socket. In July I saw my first flashes of light. In October the prosthetic eye could no longer fit and now I wear an eye patch. Today, on Thanksgiving, the iris is visible and the cornea is formed (we think of it as a lens- a little clear circle over the pupil). The eye is sensitive to light and is about 60 percent completed. The eye continues to grow and change.

I want this testimony to first and foremost give GLORY to our GOD and to thank my Lord Jesus Christ who paid for this healing and who is the very reason I fight for this, they deserve for me to be healed. I would also like this testimony to reach out to those of you who so deeply desire deliverance, God will heal you. He has healed you through Christ's stripes. Because of Christ's payment- you are owed this healing...GO GET IT!!! I am here for you who need to talk, those who need help and earnestly desire help. I understand the agony and grief you have lived with or are now living. I was at this years planning meeting so someone in your area will have my phone number. You can call me after 7:00 EST- or email my husband with the caption 'GOD GETS THE GLORY' or else it might get deleted. I am keeping a journal which I will make available after the glorious day when this eye patch is forever removed.

God bless you- God will, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS!!!!Linda Morrison, Barboursville , West Virginia

************* Many people are missing out on the blessings God has for them because they are held back by the past. Sangat, John, Wayne and many others from other ministries around the country are teaching and blessing believers like we should have been blessed way back years ago. That's my story & I'm sticking to it. This is only one testimony, there are many more.

The next one is from a believer in Denver who had written a note to Sangat after he left.

I wanted to let you know about one woman who came to you for healing when you where here in Denver.

She had gall bladder cancer. The doctors told her it was in the fourth stage and there was nothing they could do for her. All of us in our fellowship noted the color came back into her face after you ministered to her and she looked much better. Last week she saw the doctors who ran more tests on her. They could not find any trace of cancer in her. Completely healed in the Name of Jesus Christ! Praise God.

God Bless You

Dan

Mr. Hammeroni, I can only attest for Sangat & Cff. You could ask John Shroyer anything, Wayne & Sangat and they would never shun you or make you feel bad about any questions you have.

So if that was your question the answere is yes, been there done that.............Sorry I missed the point..........

Every word isn't an argument here kiddo. :)

Thank you, I agree with you and am sorry I misread your post, everyone else seemed in attack mode which happens frequently here.

If I posted any "name calling", that too was my defense kicking in. However; I also see inuendos without the name calling that results in the same thing such in Belle's post. "Well you don't see to be one". I take that as a slap so I responded. It seems as if most, not all here are living so far in the past, how can they ever see past this junk and move on.

Go ahead, 1 John, pick on and judge someone you know nothing about - prove your ignorance and heartlessness to us

In response to Bramble's post:

See it in your own post Belle, so I am ignorant & heartless and no one else here ever name calls anyone.

Its just an indicator that nothing has changed

Mstar if you are going to quote me put in the whole quote.

You are planting seeds, seeds produce fruit.............you reap what you sow. Did I not read this in the Word? Vengence is setting things right. You waiting to be a greasespot by midnight, I was not refering to that.

It was in the essence of sarcasm, as if nothing evil would happen, God would set things right when any of us are wrong, we get the reproof of our error from him. Why didn't you post the rest. See you only see what you want to see and what you want others to see..

I could be wrong on this........but I think this statement is referring to Rev. Sang@t B@ins and his growing ministry work in India. Apparently, John & Wayne invited (paid expenses?) Sang@t to come to CFF and teach and share some deliverance stories from his India ministry.

If I remember, Sang@t went into the 10th corps, then graduated and went back to India.......and broke off his ties with twi. He didn't let twi get their "authoritative hooks" into him.

*****Actually TWI never followed up on Sangat & he was never even aware of anything going on with TWI in the USA. He was too busy doing what he was asked to do & that was coordinate India and move the Word. That's what they do. The have fellowships 2 - 3 x a week with upwards of 150 believers. They are having great stories of deliverance as well as healings. There are approximately over 150 fellowships that Sangat has worked with and strengthened with God's word. They take care of their own areas, there is no hirarchy. I do know this for a fact, I have seen enough myself as well as a great video that Taxxxx Oxxxxxy made while he was there. They also feed the people that show up for fellowship & allow & support believers who would like to come over to learn the areas that Sangat has worked from the Word.

TWI did not keep in touch with Sangat, nor did they support him. He has no name, they just teach & preach. He comes here to build the believers, not his ministry in India. He has blessed alot of people who had been hurt, they are delivered and moving ahead with their lives.

I know CFF supports Sangat Bains in the area of praying for him and he likewise keeps them in his prayers as well as other ministries here and in Europe endeavouring to function together, not under any one title. He has encouraged fellowships to rise up & support their immediate leadership to move the Word in their area and NOT send it to him but keep it within the fellowship & support the leaders teaching the Word.*******

"Sang@t's ministry and work is totally INDEPENDENT from cff."

"Peter J. W@de's ministry and work is INDEPENDENT from cff."

****However we all have the same goals, to help people walk with the Father & grow in the Word.*****

"IMO, the statement by I John 3:1 is misleading........like "they" (cff) are "very much involved with the poor in India." Why????? Because cff invited Sang@t to teach at a weekend conference???"

***I was referring to my own personal family. If you reread some of my posts I said I support many ministries. I support some of the believer's children from the USA who have also gone to India to spend time and grow & learn more depth in some areas of expertise that Sangat has studied and worked for over 29 years. Sangat teaches and is invited to many ministries in the USA. When I say poor in India, I am not just referring to poverty, it's a spiritual dirth. Actually the people there have a love for "god" as they know it & when they hear the Word they are more meek than many people in the USA, IMO from the enthusiam I have seen personally.****

"I could be wrong.......but I don't think it's any more than that. Possibly, a little cash donation, maybe?"

"Remember how vpw went to solicit Jimmy Dxxp and also, Steve Hefnxr and graft their works into "his" Ohio work? Grafting in others' ministries can REALLY help boost one's ministry image. VPW did this back in the 60's.

"Personally, I think its good that Christians support other Christians...........and maybe that was the intent. But, if this thing was to boost their image and graft.....well, that's not good." *******You are insinuating evil & speculating here, it's not your place to do so if you know nothing about the wonderful believers who are attempting to work together. We are already aligned thru The Body of Christ. But some of you seem to not be hearing this.

Again I repeat, it's sad that you can't believe that there are loving people who just want to bless & heal people and you speculate things that you know nothing about. You are welcome to go see for yourself & you don't have to align yourself with anyone.*******

Go ahead, 1 John, pick on and judge someone you know nothing about - prove your ignorance and heartlessness to us

Sloopy, I can read your posts & know much about you.