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  1. R of R&C - that's a cool thought. i keep thinking about Jesus saying, 'if you love me, feed my sheep.' we are all his sheep, and should be feeding each other, helping each other to grow and flourish under the nurture and admonition of the Lord. John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep. He said it three times. Looks like it was important to him that Peter got the message. Probably a message he'd like us all to get.
  2. Freeone - this is not really specifically to you but to respond to the several posts about handling this internally / or privately / or giving people the benefit of the doubt until it's 'resolved' - I agree that the situation needs a lot of prayer, but not that it should have been handled in house. If you got a tape of the month on architecture and relied on the information of 'experts' you would be done an injustice if you didn't know that their last house had fallen down. These are not people quipping on the construction of their own house, but telling you, 'the way' you need to build 'your house' and often putting 'thus saith the Lord' on it. I believe there are many 'thus saith the Lord' situations, but also that 'you will know them by their fruit.' Since these people involved in the letters are mainly known from afar and by their published works and programs it would be a strong injustice to withold the 'fruit report' from the rest who are seeking real answers to real problems and hoping to find someone who's really solving them. When people take on positions of authority and ask you to come to marraige retreats and 'cultivating wholeness' sessions and read all about Godly conflict resolution in this latest pamphlet, they are making claims that they have some expertise in this area, and for lack of other evidence people generally believe them. If I do books and seminars on successful marraiges and have hundreds of affairs I can't really ask for respect to interally handle my 'private marital problems' because they're not really private - people need to know that my system didn't work for the author either. CES has put it's name on a lot of programs and extra biblical material because they claimed it 'produced results.' So if we all just put down our Bibles and go to an Anthony Robbins seminar we can get results - but they probably have very little to do with Jesus, who can produce the only real results. I think the letters show that the results speak for themselves - you can still choose to go to as many seminars on Godly conflict resolution as you want, but now you can at least be informed on expected results. For people who want to try and follow Jesus and the instructions in the Bible, there will always be these kinds of issues to deal with because you can't do it without people. When a problem like this that effects the 'core' comes up it needs to be exposed to light as soon as possible. Every time we 'try again' hopefully we learn to put Jesus more as the head and make less stupid decisions - I'd like to build a life where I never get burned by anyone, but then I'd probably be by myself! So if this is the path people want to try and be on it has it's risks and everyone that chooses to be involved takes responsibility in working through things, weeding the garden, providing extra water during the drought, and keeping the little foxes away. I appreciate your reasoned tone, and your call for prayer is sound and what anyone concerned with any of these people can and should do. We probably can't do a lot to help them resolve it unless we're invited to, but we need to have the information to make smart decisions about what and how we support ministries and works. God can redeem anything - any person, any culture, any tribe or tongue that puts Him first, above books, tapes and mailing lists. God has redeemed plenty of ugliness in my own life and I have no doubt I will give him ample opportunity for more. I pray that the Lord is restored to His rightful place in this, that the division is solved in a 'real' way, and that bogus, religious systems of the enemy are cracked open and discarded like yesterdays trash.
  3. LaE - i think i got the info i needed in a PM - thanks though. There is some greatly disturbing information in the letters - so greatly dividing the 'laity' and the 'clergy' is just so TWI, was nothing learned from so much previous destruction? And 'prophet level 1' - that just keeps reminding me of Dungeons and Dragons and I'm not sure can be supported with scripture. Thankfully I'm not important enough to have had spiders coming out of my nose - probably just something i can get off with a tissue. At least I know how seriously to listen to the next tape of the month on Conflict Resolution. As Homer Simpson would say, "son, your mother makes a very loud point."
  4. Hi all - Looking for some resolution for my own heart. Not to say "ha ha" but to see whether or not there has been any board level recognition of some other issues - so if anyone knows what Mark is talking about in 'lovingly dealing with one of their own' during the Feb meeting it would be appreciated.
  5. In the document titled, "Clergy_Meeting_Report" on page 5 Mark comments on the board "lovingly dealing with one of their own" in Februrary. Does anyone know what this was about?
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