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(A Belated Happy Bithday to You Tom, I hope it was Spectacular and I am sorry I missed it I fell on ice and sprained my hands!!!)

Cheers Tom

Have a Birthday Snow Cone!!!

This is an in part reply to You Garth, Mark and Oak!!! I will response to your posts individually soon!!!Oak Geisha sent me the article read the botton of the 1st post in this thread it will state the resourse

Please Put my Margins and paragraphs back in I have edited to try to return them but it is submitted as one clump!!! Why???????? I individually indented every piece to fix this again!!!

(((((Ex70'shouston and David)))))) You are both in our prayers!!!

Dear (((((Ron and Andrew)))),

You are both in my thoughts and prayers!!! I am so very sorry for Your losses but thankfully that you can understand and keep all the very real treasures of GOD, your lives, and your dear friends and loved ones!!!

Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust" or Fire" doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Why Would A Good God Send People To An Everlasting Hell?

1. What is hell?

Not a place of high thermal output (though some conservative scholars disagree) but being “away from the Lord’s presence” :

2Th 1:6

Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

2Th 1:7

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

2Th 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Th 1:9

Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2Th 1:10

When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

2Th 1:11

Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:

2Th 1:12

That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ

(2 Th 1:9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;-cut off from intimate union with God (Rev 21:3; & Rev 22:4 :

Rev 21:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Rev 21:2

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:3

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

Rev 21:4

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 22:3

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Rev22:4

And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads.

Rev 22:5

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Rev 22:6

And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:7

Behold, I come quickly: blessed [is] he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Hell’s darkness and flames (which, if literal, would cancel each other out) are figurative, portraying anguish and hopelessness without God. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt 25:41)-:

Mat 25:41

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Spirit beings, which are unaffected by physical fire.

Let’s address some hell-related questions that unbelievers and believers find troubling.

2. “Isn’t God unjust to punish persons forever for sins committed during a limited earthly existence?”

Those in hell have committed the ultimate, infinite sin-not simply a string of finite sins-in rejecting a relationship with the self-giving God. Also, hell is the logical outcome of a mindset to live apart from God-not simply committing individual sins. The punishment fit’s the crime. You want no God, you get no God. There are two kinds of people: Those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, “Thy will be done” (C.S Lewis).

3. “But wouldn’t persons in hell really want to be with God if they knew what hell is like?”

No. Those who have resisted God on earth continue in their hard-heartedness thereafter (just as those living for God on earth continue to enjoy him). God’s holy presence would truly be “hell” for those wanting their own way. We have no hint from Scripture of repentance in hell Rebellion, hate, and selfishness continue. The rich man in Hell (Luke 16:19-28) is remorseful, not repentant-not wanting to change, but to find relief!

Remorseful: A strong feeling of guilt and regret.

Repentant: 1. To be Sorry - To recognize the wrong in something that you have done and be sorry about it. 2. To Change – To feel regret about a sin or past action and change your ways or habits

Rebellious: 1. Opposing or defying authority – Opposing or defying authority, accepted moral codes or social conventions. 2. Fighting to overthrow government or authority – fighting to overthrow government or other authority…rebellion against GOD is idolatry

Idolatry: 1. Idol worship – The worship of an idol or false gods. 2. Extreme admiration – Excessive admiration or love shown for someone or something

Luk 16:19

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

Luk 16:20

And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

Luk 16:21

And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

Luk 16:22

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23

And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:24

And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luk 16:25

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luk 16:26

And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.

Luk 16:27

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

Luk 16:28

For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Thus we testify for GOD and pray genuinely out of Godly love for all!!! (RG)

4. “But how can people be sent to hell without knowing it’s full implications?”

Even if one isn’t fully aware of hell’s anguish, this doesn’t mean our choice is too much to bear. God is ready to equip anyone for salvation (John 16:8):

All will be made aware, All Will have freely chosen beforehand!!!

Jhn 16:1

These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

Jhn 16:2

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Jhn 16:3

And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Jhn 16:4

But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

Jhn 16:5

But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

Jhn 16:6

But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

Jhn 16:7

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Jhn 16:8

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Jhn 16:9

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Jhn 16:10

Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

Jhn 16:11

Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Jhn 16:12

I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

All will be made aware, All Will have freely chosen beforehand!!!

Though the full consequences of our embracing or rejecting God aren’t fully apparent to us now, grace to choose responsibly is available to all. What prevents the salvation of everyone? Individuals’ choosing freely to reject God’s grace. We can always resist the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51 - 60).

Act 7:51 Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.

Act 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your father’s persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Act 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept [it].

Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with [their] teeth.

Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

Act 7:58 And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

God doesn’t send people to hell; they freely reject him, condemning themselves by not acknowledging their guilt. (Unto true repentance!!!)

5. “Why didn’t God make the world in such a way that all people would love him?”

While a world in which everyone loves God is theoretically possible, it is not feasible. Whatever possible world with free creatures God could create, it may be that none is sin-free, and God’s love isn’t forced. Hell-the absence of God’s presence-exists because, like Milton’s Satan, people would rather “reign in hell than serve in heaven.” God isn’t unloving but rather has gone to great lengths to show grace to everyone. Should God not create at all because many freely resist Him in the world God created and thus deprive many others of the greatest good possible?

6. “Why did God create people He knew would reject and be separated from Him forever?”

Rom 9:22

[What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom 9:23

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

2Cr 4:7

But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

2Ti 2:20

But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

Hbr 9:21

Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Rev 2:27

And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Despite God’s desire that all be saved (1 Tim 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9), many still resist.

7. What if some become more resistant no matter how loving God is?

Isaiah 5:4; & Matt 23:37?

Isa 5:4

What could have been done more to my vineyard that I have not done in it? Wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

Mat 23:1

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

Mat 23:2

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Mat 23:3

All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Mat 23:4

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers.

Mat 23:5

But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

Mat 23:6

And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

Mat 23:7

And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

Mat 23:8

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.

Mat 23:9

And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mat 23:10

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

Mat 23:11

But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

Mat 23:12

And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

Mat 23:13

But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mat 23:14

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mat 23:15

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Mat 23:16

Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

Mat 23:17

[Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

Mat 23:18

And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

Mat 23:19

[Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

Mat 23:20

Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

Mat 23:21

And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

Mat 23:22

And he that shall swear by heaven sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

Mat 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Mat 23:24

[Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Mat 23:25

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Mat 23:26

[Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Mat 23:27

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchers, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.

Mat 23:28

Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Mat 23:29

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchers of the righteous,

Mat 23:30

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

Mat 23:31

Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

Mat 23:32

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

Mat 23:33

[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Mat 23:34

Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city:

Mat 23:35

That upon you may come all the righteous bloodshed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Mat 23:36

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Mat 23:37

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not!

Mat 23:38

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 23:39

For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

8. Should God not create those who would respond to His love simply because others would refuse it?

Luk 11:2

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

God’s will supersedes mankind’s will both selectively and collectively; whether we regard it believe it, or fully understand it!!!

Luk 11:3

Give us day by day our daily bread.

Luk 11:4

And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

9. What if God created a world in which a maximal balance of least condemned and most redeemed was realized?

This is not unloving. He is all knowing ever present and omnipotent. What we do and decide to do with our Free will is known from the beginning to the end by the Alpha and Omega. He sees from the outside of time and space contingencies and restrains, the boundaries given to man, because our knowledge and wisdom is limited and finite (RG.)

Jud 1:21

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Jud 1:22

And of some have compassion, making a difference:

Jud 1:23

And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Jud 1:24

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Jud 1:25

To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1Ti 1:9

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

1Ti 1:10

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

1Ti 1:11

According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

1Ti 1:12

And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

1Ti 1:13

Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief.

1Ti 1:14

And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

1Ti 1:15

This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1Ti 1:16

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

1Ti 1:17

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

10. “Why wouldn’t God, from the start, make us like heavens saints-loving God while unable to sin?”

“Even Angels and heavens host have free will! The Devil and a third of the angels fell for trying to usurp the throne of GOD. Every idol that mankind puts before GOD is at enmity with the only true Holy Creator and only REAL GOD!” (RG.)

Exd 20:1

And God spake all these words, saying,

Exd 20:2

I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Exd 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exd 20:4

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

Exd 20:5

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;

Robust freedom on earth-to embrace freely God’s grace or resist it-is a requirement for arriving at one’s final destiny. Our earthly direction is “sealed” in the afterlife; our heart’s desire is finally granted-God or no God. So God couldn’t have created a heaven-like state in which the redeemed no longer sin without damaging this vitally important freedom. (Or perhaps, rather than “sealing” us from sin in the afterlife, God simply foreknows that no saint will actually freely sin, guaranteeing a sin-free condition in the final state.) Finally, because God has so fully given of Himself to make salvation freely available through His Son, we can confidently entrust any lingering questions about hell to His excellent character.

By: Paul Copan ( is in Italicized blue print excerpts)

Those in hell have committed the ultimate, infinite sin-not simply a string of finite sins-in rejecting a relationship with the self-giving God. Also, hell is the logical outcome of a mindset to live apart from God-not simply committing individual sins. The punishment fit’s the crime. You want no God, you get no God. There are two kinds of people: Those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, “Thy will be done” (C.S Lewis).

This bears repeating

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TWI didn't write the HOLY BIBLE the Scriptures are HOLY they were in existence long before TWI... Cman The accusation that you make that they separated man from GOD is without foundation. We all were touched in a multiplicity of ways and degrees by TWI's errors and hurt by the TWI abuses but leaving the study and adherence to GOD and HIS WORD and WILL is an inexcusable excuse to cast into GOD's Face as a recompense:

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. !!!

Cman wrote:[Probably the biggest error of twi teachings,

is separating man from God.

Being angry with GOD is a reaction to the abuse of HIS WORD. HE GOD and HIS Word are not the abusers of anyone or anything, but in like manner as TWI's abuses were, GOD is now being abused by many that were abused; and to quote Geisha:

Geisha wrote: There is a famous sermon by Jonathan Edwards(From my neck of the woods)called "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God"-----as I have been reading along here lately. . . I think. . . as RC Sprouls says. . . "God in the Hands of Angry Sinners."

I do believe that GOD is now is the hands of angry sinners!!!

For as much as the abuses of TWI were cruel, harsh, horrifying, devastating, and debilitating what makes abusing GOD and HIS WORD any better than the abuses received through TWI's abusers or any other abusive system in this world. How do You then not escape being in the same category of abusing as TWI's abuser of GOD and mankind, by rejecting GOD's WORD and WILL for doctrines of men. Such audacity of thought!!! Can anyone judge what GOD does or does not excuse and excuse themselves from GOD's WILL and WORD, constantly bringing forward their TWI's or anyone elses sins without recognizing that GOD is not the problem and neither is HIS WORD and the answer is not Hewing out one's own doctrines and thinking and doing as one pleases. GOD alone is Judge!!!

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

I myself am far from perfect but I do not blame GOD for my sins or the sins of others!!! GOD could only be accountable if we were not given free will and we were merely HIS Puppets. Then all err would be HIS responsibility!!!

RG, Thanks for your opinion and encouragement.

I am presenting GOD's opinion to You, not my own!!!

Truthfully I just skim your posts.

That is abundantly clear Cman, for if You were willing to read and understand it; you would understand that it is given in Love to benefit and serve and accomplish GOD's purposes!!!!

The scriptures are not the Word of God

But a result of the Word.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Your accusations against me are baseless.

If you are stuck on CONTINUING like this.

Then knock yourself out, I can't do much with it.

These accusations as you call them, They are well founded sound doctrine, reproofs and corrections of sound doctrine and worthy of all acceptation, not at all baseless accusations. They are strictly Word based and in alignment and harmony with GOD's WORD!!! It is GOD's Word speaking and it is GOD and His Word, HIS HOLY SCRIPTURES that you directly oppose and will not read, receive or benefit from.!!!

It is my absolute pleasure to stand for GOD and HIS WORD!!! It makes me righteously angry when anyone maligns and impugns GOD and His Word. It is heartbreaking for me as I Love with the Love of GOD!!! I cannot fathom the loss that it is to GOD and HIS HEART OF LOVE!!!!!

Cman wrote :'"I can't do much with it."

This is true...Yet it is GOD's desire that You do...You, Cman have made you choice and chosen your way and inadvertently answered all my questions!!! I hope out of HIS Love that You do change to do GOD's WORD and WILL. Peace and I do Love You ((((Cman))))...It is your carnal doctrine that I oppose!!!!

Your posts are interesting Geisha.

Here you made a few things about me-

I suppose I am not to realize this.

I disagree.

I disagree, and this seems to not even make much sense.

If our thinking is self-centered, how would that affect our being central to God. Either we are or we are not.

We are the sum of God's Creation.

The expression of the Complete thought of the Creator--the Word of God.

Cman, If You do read GOD's Word to study to show Yourself approved unto Him, It is evident in this thread that You do not rightly divide THE WORD OF GOD. To understand and to discern spiritual things...spiritual matters You MUST be in alignment and harmony with GOD, HIS WILL and HIS WORD; and very little if any of what you say here even comes close to what GOD in HIS WORD clearly and repeatedly states!!!

Putting what You think in Your own words is private interpretation with additives and your additives are incomplete and void of scriptural content, authority and meaning!!! That is why I asked you to build the right foundation, I asked you to build a scriptural case or admit that your doctrine is in fact your doctrine and your doctrine is not THE WORD OF GOD!!!

THINGS THAT ARE SPIRITUAL are spiritual and from the right spiritual source, GOD!!! Things that are carnal are carnal; If we are yet carnal we are at enmity with GOD; otherwise we are to walk with GOD by the spirit that He has given us in the framework of HIS Word " IT IS WRITTEN"!!!

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.

Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to [fulfil] the lusts [thereof].

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth

1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?

1Cr 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

IT IS WRITTEN

and with a purpose and it does matter to GOD...and to me...I stand with and for GOD...who stands with me??? GOD knows as well as He Knows who stands against HIM!!!!

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mat 11:10 For this is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mat 21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Mat 26:31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

Mar 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me.

Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

Mar 11:17 And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mar 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Mar 14:27 And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered.

Luk 2:23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)

Luk 3:4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Luk 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

Luk 7:27 This is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Luk 19:46 Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Jhn 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

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(-thanks magi-) Who are You thanking???

Me I am Thanking GOD that I can both understand and rightly divide HIS Word and stand before Him as a workman that needeth not to be ashamed

Dear (((((Cathy)))),

We continue to pray reverently for You, for Your deliverence and restoration!!! Grab onto the stronghold of GOD's Strength and never let it go!!!! He is our stronghold and our strength and our ever present help in time of trouble!!!

Psa 37:39 But the salvation of the righteous [is] of the LORD: [he is] their strength in the time of trouble.

With Our Love RainbowsGirl

THOMAS

Thank You, for Your Beautiful Heart of Love and the Music it holds and shares!!! God Bless You!!!

and RainbowsGirl

I am Not Yelling; I am emphasizing FOR THOSE WHO ARE ACTUALLY READING!!!!!!!