DrWearWord

Silence is beyond words.

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Faith is just believing where medicine gives one real hope. Pharmacia is witchcraft...? or perhaps God is a drug produced by the body.

Are we healed by faith and miracles or by medicine, reason and bed rest? When Jesus cast out demons what exactly were these "demons" how do they figure into medicine today and our advances in DNA and science? Was Jesus right or wrong?

2010

Another note, Abraham gave tithes to Melchisedec. Melchisedec according to the bible had no known parents so there was no lineage he could be traced through, as if he was "zero"... How could Melchisedec have NO parents and was NEVER born or died? Hebrews 5:6b Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Comment: The cult of zero.

For, the next chapter of the cult of zero I am taken back into the ancient history of the Persians. The Persian word for garden in cuneiform is where we get our word paradise. Paradise is the place it is believed in many religions where human life first became conscious. So this garden is the seed of civilization and knowledge. I am taken back to the Babylon hanging gardens and I am struck with this garden being still today considered one of the world greatest wonders. What does it take to create a garden of such magnitude? Well "seeds" or "zera". Thousands of plant, tree, vegetable and fruit seeds collected from nearly every corner of the known world. Spices and rare forms of horticulture on display as a virtual paradise found. These cities of Babylon and later the cities of Persepolis and the Persian empire had thousands of years of cultivating seeds and even the horse and many life forms were domesticated altering these life forms to the extent that we still reap the benefits today of their modification by early humans. Perhaps there is no ancient counterpart i.e. Greeks, Romans... that can compare to the knowledge of seeds and livestock that were collected and modified by the ancient Persians and east Indians. So here again the cult of zero widens with every consideration and comparison to life, the seed, zero and the lessons learned from this analysis. How much awe did these human made gardens inspire? Wouldn't all of that awe owe its homage to the humble zera? And also the honey bee that pollinated the gardens it becomes clear why the bee was considered sacred, for it was the bee that pollinated the gardens so more seeds were produced for the next harvest. This sheds some light on Icarus who flew too close to the sun with his "wax" wings melting causing him to fall into the sea. It seems the sun was considered as zero as the source of life and perhaps the sea was also seen as zero the initial state providing a garden for oceanic life. The sun being one of the first forms of human worship of the divine and as Icarus fell though the sky, secondly, the birds of the air became worshiped and when he fell into the sea then, thirdly, the creatures of the ocean began to be worshiped also as zero. I believe the ancients were aware of zero, I believe that zero was a concept privy only to the prophets of various religions and zero was intentionally omitted from these prophets spelling out its existence. I believe zero was a secret revealed only in symbolism and parables because it was considered too sacred to speak openly about. It is interesting that Abraham coming from Ur of the Chaldees would have continued the tradition of the cult of zero by keeping zero shrouded in the mystical silence of the ancients. Mystery Babylon... Of these seeds grapes were fermented and the wine thereof altered consciousness as the olive was cultivated and Burnt in lamps to represent enlightenment. Thus out of zera came altered conscious and enlightenment. Out of "the beginning" (seed) came everything that is.

It is human arrogance to assume that we as the created are worth more than the creator. It is beyond our comprehension to consider that to be created is to commence existence. What do we expect, to exist before creation? Can existence precede creation even in foreknowledge? Isn't knowledge also created by speculation? Doesn't creation imply lifelessness prior? Is life created or simply passed on? Otherwise we were not created but simply born from parents. Birth is not "creation" but mere manipulation of DNA and the passed on characteristics of parents. One might speculate that creation must be preceded by zero to qualify as such, who knows how many beginnings there have been? With the many solar systems, duplicate suns one may assume all creation is rebirth. That is until we consider what created the first sun. Was the creation of the very first sun the beginning or simply an evolution of time and space? Is there really nothing new under the sun? How can there really be nothing new when we know individuals are born every day that are unique and NEW to this world? Can we really define nothing and new as all inclusive?

No More I Love Yous Do be do be do do do oh Do be do be do do do oh I used to be a lunatic from the gracious days I used to feel woebegone and so restless nights My aching heart would bleed for you to see 1-Oh, but now I don't find myself bouncing home Whistling buttonhole tunes to make me cry No more I love you's The language is leaving me No more i love you's changes are shifting Outside the words No one ever speaks about the monsters I used to have demons in my room at night Desire, despair, desire So many monsters (rpt 1) 2-No more i love you's The language is leaving me No more i love you's The language is leaving me in silence No more i love you's Changes are shifting outside the words And people are being real crazy And you know what mommy? Everybody was being real crazy And the monsters are crazy. There are monsters outside (rpt 2, 2,...) Do be do be do do do oh Outside the words Annie Lennox

Carte blanche

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Awe that is nice cman :) thanks Tonight i had the revelation that olives are round like zero and seeds I then googled "olives in the bible" and found this: by "wayne blank" :) http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20011020.htm

I progress toward zero, in the back of my mind I ask myself, why? What is it that I actually expect to find in zero or nothing? Yet each day there is new revelation... to improvise is theater; where there is a story, a conflict, a climax and sometimes, yes, even a cliff hanger. As with any drama there is life and the energy of love to consider. I wonder if zero can somehow lead to its own state of mind, a seed, innate human knowing, collective consciousness, universal civility, peace on earth.

Ahh I see, I am very sorry :) I thought you were directing it at me. As always i just used it as an opportunity to rant anyway. What i am going to write next is not directed at you waysider but just everything in general. I don't want to come off as angry or braggy. That would not be the correct way to characterize my manner. I also know that I am not really that unique in the idea that most all way believers (at least that I have met) were exceptionally well studied. In fact I rarely ever met a way believer who was not inquisitively somehow set apart from most all other people. I have always, putting all politics aside, somehow maintained my own standing and state with other believers. I can even do this amidst believer of other biblical religions. I just seem to get along with people from most all "gods". I have friends from all churches. What is it that is so wrong about accepting many Gods with the same fervent respect and awe? Allah, Buddha, Jehovah, "God" pagan gods, and even mischievous gods, they all to me represent the same journey into varying heights. In some way they all move toward the central seed of what God represents. When we consider spiritual seed, one might reason that being born of "one" is not the same as being born of "zero". Being born of zero implies that you existed before one. Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

I have no idea what you are saying? Are you implying I don't know my "way doctrine"? I can't even imagine you saying that. I have over 20 years of exposure to the way ministry. I have many teaching audio and video tapes nearly memorized, the often hundreds of times I have heard certain tapes attest to my knowledge. I did not have to be "in the ministry" to get study materials i.e. teaching tapes, way magazine, new research books, I got them though people active in the ministry. In nearly all cases these people who got "way study materials" for me I personally witnessed to and got into the ministry. Mainly Sunday night teaching tapes (each of which got a minimum of ten listens) rock of ages teachings (that i still listen to today), living victoriously, the foundational books, and many other teachings by Vince Finnegan, Walter Cummings, Claudette Royal, Ralph Dubosky (sp), Rosalie Rivenbark, Harvy Plattick(sp), John Shoinheight(sp) I was not a big fan of John Lynne but I really had nothing against him either. I just could not relate to his song and dance happy ville perspective on religion. Mrs Wierwille had some teachings as did the Wierwille children too. Donna Martindale I remember a few of her teachings, even Craig had some logical things to add to the ministries overall doctrines. Though his homophobia and bad humor negated any real respect I had for the man. Craig's homo hate did no damage to me because i didn't allow him to. I didn't really care if I was in or out of the ministry. I was especially a fan of Walter Cummings and even to this day I still beleive many (but certainly not all) of Dr Wierwille's core beliefs. Apparently you have made an erroneous assumption, are you implying I don't understand the manifestation of interpretation of tongues? What is there to understand? According to TWI, The person who speaks interprets their own tongue otherwise it is a personal tongue. If someone chooses to attempt to interpret another person's tongue then they are just prophesying and God in his foreknowledge gave the tongue speaker a personal tongue and the person interpreting is not interpreting the other person's tongue but they are simply manifesting prophecy without tongues. I know this stuff in my sleep... I don't even need to reference the materials to familiarize myself with the doctrines. What is it exactly you have assumed I don't understand? Are you saying you understand a personal prayer tongue? I didn't think so. Well, that was my point... I will say it more clearly, personal prayer in the form of speaking in tongues gives little if not "zero" nourishment for the intellect. I am not saying personal tongues is not comfort for the soul, but it is not nourishment for the intellect considering it carries no known language in its private form. Not that we don't understand a tongue when it is interpreted. Even the interpretation is "according to way doctrine" a message from God and not a message from our own intellect. This is why we clear a our mind and are not supposed to follow some basic script (which most "way leadership" did not adhere to anyway. Often the interpretations sounded alike, like they were mostly scripted and mutually memorized.) Whether if you follow way doctrine or not is your own business. I do not judge you either way, but to assume I don't have a firm grasp on what "way doctrine" was or is may simply, from my perspective, be a product of your own grandstanding. 1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1 Corinthians 14:14 KJV For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth , but my understanding is unfruitful. Comment:for no man understandeth him, but my understanding is unfruitful, zero... comprendo? :)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37028677#37007230

What are you all talking about? :) When one speaks in tongues privately there is no interpreter... While we were being instructed in PFAL to speak in tongues we all just spoke out loud together. If I recall we did not officially interpret until the intermediate class.

The challenge is to make zero more than it is.

Atlantis

I have been contemplating speaking in tongues... (among other things) and, I look back to the time when Dr Wierwille led me though the manifestation. He convinced me that speaking in an unknown tongue was the realization of the holy spirit. That i had no knowledge of what i was saying or speaking. and that while I was speaking I still had my intellectual facilities intact. I still sit back in awe of that experience for whatever it is ultimately worth. This only again shows us that zero is a part of the ancient understanding of the past as it relates to how we perceive it today. I have seen artist's drawings depicting Atlantis, built architecturally upon the design of a series of concentric circles or islands connected by bridges radiating out from a central point. Even when we get to ancient humans, tribal houses were round long before they were square. This "round house" gave I think the human psyche a feeling of both isolation, but also purpose and perhaps a connection to zero. Out of a round house comes a round table...

"nothing is eternal" I read this on a various webpage of an internet user who used it as their line. comment: nothing IS eternal...

King Arthur and the knights of the "round table"... :)

Has anyone asked God, why grace? Why the great mystery? And why do we still today only know in part? If all is revealed then what is still in part? Perhaps all is revealed yet not all is understood. For is not all that is just another cipher hidden in the eye of God? God has reveal all pertaining... yet we still only know in part... The great zero