DrWearWord

There is most certainly a "law of liberty" and anyone who knows the perfection of the holy spirit should also perceive the law of liberty... For our spirit is perfect and as "judged with Christ" contains the righteousness of God. Even we cannot darken the light of our spirits. We may darken the mind and we may darken the body/flesh but the spirit is "incorruptible".. When that which is "perfect" is come... The "perfect" law of liberty... We are not in the law, under the law or in any way affected by the law "spiritually"... Flesh wise the world will still look to the law... Because they do not perceive the spirit and the walk of Jesus Christ. Because of this COMPLETE "spiritual" liberation from the law we are thus humbled to God into a type of service that is by our own free will and not dictated by a law... For love that is given due to a law is simply coerced love.. Without the law, love is by our own choosing and volition. This is the law of liberty... That because we are free from the law of sin and death we feel so obliged to walk in love out of a thankful heart. The "flesh" of the book of Romans and others is not only the five senses but it also represents "the law"... Where you see the word flesh used you can usually substitute "the law"... Those who walk by the law or by the spirit... Take your choice... The law of liberty is walking by the holy spirit which no law can condemn.

You remind me of rabbinic Christianity.. Where one discusses the various interpretations of the word but does anyone still practice it?

When we consider the word of God is inherently inerrant... :) It has a meaning how, where, to whom etc... it says it, And that erros must be in our understanding... Taking diffucult scriptures in light of the clear ones... For those of us who still belive in it's accuracy and intergirty... There must be an answer concerning the law of liberty that fits "like a hand in a glove..."

Please explain the "law of liberty"... Aren't law and liberty in the same sentence an oxymoron? How does liberty become a law of liberty?

Even your DNA could conceivably click on and off relative to the believing patterns in the mind. Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Doesn't what you know depend upon your "frame of reference"? Thanks for all of the knowledgeable replies. "Why do I know? Because I got it outta the Bible..."

As for the unforgivable sin... It is God who knows the spirit of those who have committed this atrocity. It is God who judges the spirit. I had a believer once remark to me... "They're not born again..." I replied how do you know? It is again "pride that goes before a fall". That we forgive all unless God tells us by revelation otherwise and "you better be sure..." Mark and avoid is truly something a believer does needs to face. For if a person in their mind has it out for you you need to cease any and all involvement with this person... This seems inconceivable that the love of God cannot reach this person. Sometimes a person's mind is so blinded that they become dangerous to themselves and others. They become so distraught by sin consciousness that they are like a person drowning. They are going to to pull down anyone with them who tries to help them. You can teach them the way but then you have to back off and let the word do the work. Again it seems inconceivable that a person in light of the word can still be dangerous to a believer but they can. Even though God has their spirit the devil still has their mind. So the only safe course is to "mark and avoid". I don't even like that term but it is Biblical. This seems to go against the law of liberty and love.. It does not mean you stop loving them for God loves us even though we on the outside are not perfect. But God will tell you that this person will not change... I apply the three strikes rule. The devil will flee if we resist him three times and the believer should flee if they do not resist the devil three times... (it is simple logic as a natural protective mechanism) (Figuratively it is like handling snakes.) Three strikes and it is time to give the friendship a rest and four strikes and it may be time to completely avoid. For they can be a danger to you and themselves at this point. You may still have to live in the same town you can be friendly but you do not have to be in their lives and vise versa. They will know why... Because their word is not trustworthy... They have vowed to not become aggressive and vicious but they time and again peruse this course... Nothing but backing off is the reasonable duty to the self. Again we forgive them. In my whole lifetime God has never told me "someone was seed"... To assume this is to make a judgment that is God's alone to make... Usually they are born of God's seed and the mind is blinded... That God will still save them in the end.. This is the illusion of the flesh. When we look to the flesh we see sin but when we look to the spirit we see the love of God. Always look to the spirit and give people the benefit of the doubt... But be aware of the flesh and be cunning, wise and tough "love" is not out of the question. Tough love is to say your peace back completely off and give it a rest. We are not supposed to force ideas on people. Show by example and let the spirit do the work, time with the word can heal the mind and body. They have to put on the mind of Christ in their own time just as we all sit, stood and walked in our own time. Keep focused on the inner person. Yet back off if they are unforgiving of themselves for sinconsciousness is not something to toy with. You will know by revelation when their transgressions have overstepped the reasonable boundaries of decorum. God will tell you when they have committed the same offense against you enough that it is time to mark and avoid. It seems inconceivable that one would do this but sometimes there is really no other option then to be drawn into their own nightmare and violence time and again. When life becomes unreal then you are living in someones ill conceived dream and it is time to wake up and remove yourself from their influence... It will take time on their own with their own fellowship with God for them to come to the light if ever. All we can do is point the way. Sometimes years, sometimes never... "Sometimes they have to reach the bottom of the barrel and the only way farther down once they reach the bottom of the barrel is death..." Even this is regrettable and unacceptable but still, "forgivable"... You can mark and avoid but STILL forgive... Do not carry hate and animosity ever... this is traveling light, this is giving your cares to God. This is living in faith and not fear. Fear and hate is never the right way it will never produce the desired results. Only backing off and forgiving and time alone with God will help them at this point. We are not to speak the word with force but with love... boldness is not force for even boldness must be tempered with love. Speak the truth and let the word itself do the changing of people. When is it time to let them back into your life? Sometimes never, you may have to face this consequence. Sometimes they remain a menace until they are taken down to the grave by their own spiritual plagues. It is an unfortunate fact of life that every believer needs to be aware of and act accordingly. It is not that God cannot or has not saved them but the word needs time to do it's work on the habit patterns of their mind and flesh... Peace with God...

We are to forgive all people of any wrongs they do. Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Comment: That does not mean trust them again. Matthewt 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Comment: Even if they do not confess this as a wrong we are to forgive them. For liberty is not only for the select few... For their own sin is but an illusion, an eclipse of their holy spirit, that their mind is darkened they are still our family. It is God that cleanses us of unrighteousness not people. There is justice and physical punishment of human law (man's day) for those who drastically overstep the law of liberty. Fellowship is not with the flesh but it is with the spirit and the spirit is perfect and incorruptible. The problems is we try to live other's lives rather than simply being a lamp unto their feet. When we do not forgive, then the offense inside the believer's mind becomes bitterness and soon the believer's heart lacks tenderness then the heart of the mind is obstructed by fear. And "fear is sand in the machinery of life". Thus God is obstructed... for it is God's image which we shine not our own, not the wrongs of the flesh of others but the perfection of the spirit. So look past the flesh and see the spirit and be humbled that we are not stricken with the same lack of belief. Fellowship is only with God. Though we fellowship with others it is still God in them that we fellowship with. Not our own image. The flesh only breeds pride self pride in the household. Thus we seek where we find the most light and where the image of God through Christ is the most resplendent and fine. Where truth is illuminated in the greatest clarity. We share this light to the world in hope that the light will fulfill it's promise. We look to the heart of the created spirit person which makes intersession for the flesh of the downtrodden through Christ our lord. Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned [upon all] by one [Adam] ; much more they which receive abundance of grace [forgiveness to all] and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 1Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. Comment: The best we can do is not let their fault to slow us down to take our eyes off the mark of reaching the world with the truth of God's world. Then this darkness becomes insignificant in the scope of all things considered. Sin consciousness is exactly that it steals the consciousness of not only those who sin but those who refuse to forgive with grace and liberty. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Thank you TheEvan, Just in for the lively discussions. Comparing spiritual matters...

Aren't we supposed to "know"? :) DrWearWord at your service... Glad I found you all... Peace with God