DrWearWord

We have not sinned without law or under the law... Maybe you should learn your prepositions? We have lived under the "law" of liberty. And we are judged under the law of liberty. Now what "law" are you judging people under? God is the judge of men's secrets through the law of liberty in Christ not us... False prophets doctrines always lead back to the LAW and enslavement of the flesh. So it confines the free walk of the spirit. To reason I will just have enough law so I walk moderately, so I meet the law to a reasonable standard is still using the law to guide your spirit. It is the spirit that guides the soul and it does not always follow the law it follows it's own course. This course is the law of liberty. It does not fall and worship at every holy day it doesn't pray an not once wink an eye and fall asleep during a prayer. It walks in grace and forgiveness not law and damnation.

I am sorry that the way I communicate is not always what you might expect. It is my style and for this I cannot really fault you. Sometime it is just a jumble and a word soup I just toss what ever is still fresh in the fridge. (sometimes I even microwave it) :) But it is not the style but the content the inner truth that the style and flair is trying to relay. I have for this discussion written several things and just decided not to post them. I don't want to overload you all and I don't want to talk myself into a blitz. I just want to as quickly as possible see if we are all on the same page. I know what page I am on. I have made myself perfectly clear. So you should know my intent without any possible doubt. I have not only confessed my Lord but I believe in the law of liberty with which we have been called with every fiber of my being. I look to the spirit and not the flesh. I see the truth and not the lie. I refuse to believe the lie. For I know what God has created in us even as I am known. 1Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. Comment: Some do not see the law of liberty clearly but some see this liberty even as the perfect liberty reflects within them. Some see in part and some clearly...

Luke 8:5 A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. Comment: The "way side" are those (often within the faith) still lost in the law... Only the word of liberty "has no defense"...

All things must be reconsidered in light of the law of liberty. ...for it is by the word of God that we have the law of liberty.

DrWearWord Wrote: So this law is dead as the flesh is dead and the spirit is all that concerns us. In the recognition of this spirit is the perfection of it and this is how the law of liberty can grow and flourish in the mind. Comment: The law is dead. THE LAW IS DEAD... For it has been replaced with a greater law... The law of the spirit. The law of liberty. Living love in the walk of God's liberty. In the walk of our brother Christ. In his capacity to love. In his capacity to look beyond the flesh and see the true heart of people within. That all desire to look upon the law of liberty but they are led and entangled again within the law and the yoke of it's bondage. That they needed to be emancipated from the sins of their father to walk in true liberty of the spirit. The law of liberty; this is the will, this is the word, this is the way, and this is the truth of God. This liberty must become the consciousness of the believer's mind before it can become the consciousness of the world.

T-Bone: I'm not surprised you have many students on the Internet. There's a sucker born every minute. DrWearWord: And there is a saint born every minute... T-Bone: Heck, I used to believe VPW was the man of God for the universe a long time ago – that image is forever soiled of course by seeing what he was really like when I was in the Corps. There's a vast difference between his Christian façade that was paraded around for the public and his actual character that schemed and connived to feed his sexual perversions. But alas, I speak a foreign language to someone poisoned by pride and arrogance. DrWearWord: You apparently are judging him by his external fruit oblivious to the judgment that you have brought upon yourself. I am not here to defend Dr Wierwille but I am here to defend the spirit of God in our brothers and sisters. If you are here to condemn the flesh then it is the holy spiritual realm that you are oblivious to. "You threw the baby out with the bath water..."

The Evan Law must exist within the mind in order for transgression of law to exist in the consciousness. "Sin" is ONLY perceived as a transgression of a law. For where there is no law there is also no sin consciousness.

IN the beginning was the law of liberty and the law of liberty was with God and the law of liberty was God.

I don't know yet if I agree with this logic you have presented here... It seems to break the structure of body, soul and spirit. I am not sure how yet. What I am getting from this is that you are saying that life is physical. A part of DNA. The male half of the DNA strand... Where life is passed on through the male half and born through the female half but even though the male half is a set of physical chemicals aligned in a long serial string life is somehow passed through this mechanism. That life that is passed on through this set of numbers is another thing. The male half of the DNA is passed from male to male. Even though the female half of the DNA is alive also, life is not passed this way. So in order for a man to not have his father's DNA he would have to be a woman. For what makes a male physically is the Y chromosome. So to not have a father involves the physical domain of life itself. The Y chromosome would have to theoretically have been either created or passed on to be inherited from a father. The father's "flesh" is what would have differed in Christ. Mary could not have passed down the genes from her father's line of patriarchs. Jesus was not of the seed of David.. The only way he was the seed of David was that, God was Adam's father so ultimately God was also David's father. So he was of the seed of God. So did he fulfill the law? Was he the seed of David? When we understand that his life was from God also as David's life was from God then yes he was of the seed of David (he was human). For Jesus atoned for the life of David and his seed. He atoned by not bearing his fathers seed of law but by having God's seed of liberty. The stone that the builders rejected. Mary does not have her father's genes that carry the Y chromosome. The Y chromosome would have carried the royal lineage of Christ. THE CHRIST LINE. So this intervention by God would have severed this "blood line"... So that the life part was neither corrupted by the sin's of the fathers nor the the law of the fathers. Life is something we may never be able to "unmake". Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. Comment: We are saved by Jesus' blood. Life is part of God's initial creation. For even blood can die. So this life could be considered as oxygen but you know that life is not as simple as oxygen. For animal life cannot live without plant life. For when life loses it's oxygen or carbon dioxide then it dies. When it is physically disassembled it dies. So the flesh maintains life as long is the flesh remains within the parameters of life. It is while we have this life that we transcend this life for eternal life. But blood can die from too much heat and just not being within it's living host for too long a time. It is sensitive to the world around it.. It's seed is within itself and once you destroy the self the seed is lost. So life is more than physical. Life is part of creation. It is Christ who is the tree of life. A tree is part of creation. Just as the spirit is part of creation. As Christ is the tree of life and we are his fruit. As Christ is the host bright and morning star and we are his body of the third part of the heavens. Our bodies souls and spirits are quickened. And the domain of life is outside of the creation's sphere of control.. The only control we have over life is through Christ. For "God" raised Jesus Christ from the dead... We can kill life but it does not cease to exist. It remains upon the earth in a cycle just creating more seeds and these seeds and fruit fall down from branches and mingle with the earth can produce more trees with branches. Life is within the blood because it was the blood that atoned for sin. For sin was justified to slaughter and murder life. And God was the judge of life. This is the wisdom of man. So God came down to the level of man's wisdom and he prepared a life to atone for all life. Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Comment: So this life atoned for the spirit. Isaiah 57:14 And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people. Comment: body, soul and spirit. The life of the spirit in Christ Jesus is eternal. It is the flesh around the life that is an illusion it is the sins of the fathers and the spirit that changes the life within. And the new body is created in the linage of God which the word [law] of truth [liberty].

You can't have your cake and eat it too... Jesus taught us that to selectively apply the "law" was hypocrisy. We either walk by the spirit and yolk ourselves to the spirit or we yolk ourselves to the law. Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Comment: You can't be saved from the law and still be held captive by it... We are yoked to the masters [Christ Jesus'] walk of liberty not yoked to Paul's walk. Although we are imitators of Paul because he imitated the walk of Christ's love, in this same regard we imitate each other because of the liberty we walk with in Christ.. For even Paul had Christ in him. So this law is dead as the flesh is dead and the spirit is all that concerns us. In the recognition of this spirit is the perfection of it and this is how the law of liberty can grow and flourish in the mind. Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh [Law], hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Comment: When men/woman are spirituality circumcised some people stay with the person and some become the flesh part that is cut off... We either remain with the spirit or we remain with the flesh. Darned if I can remember the name of that piece of flesh that is cut off.. The Bible speaks of a part of the body becoming the whole person. I can't remember where that is either. Oh yea, now I remember, a schmuck! This is the part of the flesh that is cut off... You are all schmucks! "Iniquity was found in thee..." Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity [law] was found in thee. Malachi 2:6 The law of truth [liberty] was in his [Christ Jesus'] mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity [equality], and did turn many away from iniquity [law]. 2:9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law. Comment: You cannot have iniquity without law... Sin was found in them... (Adam and Eve) You cannot have sin without law. For this law was found in them instead of the spirit. Were the law became the yolk that became the whole person. A little leavening [law] infects the whole mind. Galatians 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

DrWearWord: Homophobes are the ruling class demons of the devil spirit kingdoms of this world [Law] WordWolf: I suppose then, that homonyms are gay nyms? DrWearWord: You seem certain you know... What need is a God if you have already judged them? This judgment only reflects back into you and the state of your mind. The reason Jesus Christ came was to save the spirits of those who are unworthy But it seems your spirit is worthy on it's own... Based on works OF THE FLESH. The thing you condemn you have become. DrWearWord: The only greater enemy [hate] of liberty is capital punishment... And SIN has nothing to do with it? "The wages of sin is death" DrWearWord: And the wages of liberty and the spirit is life... Yet you seem yoked to the ways of this world rather than being yoked to the master who knows "the way" and the walk of the spirit. Insult over laws that were used to murder Jesus Christ and set a criminal free in the same breath are too constraining even for the conservatives. Yet liberty never crosses your mind... Are you sure liberty has crossed God's mind concerning your own ticket to ride? DrWearWord: Homophobes and capital punishment have committed the greatest crimes against the law of liberty... WordWolf: So, which was the devil- a homophobe or a capital punisher? What was Adam-a homophobe or capital punisher? DrWearWord: The devil fell for worshiping his own image of law over God's image of liberty. Adam and Eve picked the "wrong way..." The law is the wrong way. For they relied upon laws to walk instead of the perfect spirit and this was their first sin. You seem to do this "sin" on a daily basis. It makes me wonder how much of Christ you really do have in you? DrWearWord: For the last enemy to be destroyed will be capital punishment. WordWolf: Right. Right after every single person who isn't worth keeping around is destroyed- by capital punishment- with the lake of fire. (Unless you think they suffer eternally and consciously in the lake of fire.) :) DrWearWord:The lake of fire is for those who have condemned the innocent. You condemn your own spirit by condemning another's spirit. That is the unforgivable sin. For if you have condemned the invisible spirit that they freely have received then you have condemned your own gift in the process. To take the Lords name in vain is to confess him and not walk in his liberty. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Comment: Sexist wars are still being fought in the flesh though liberty has been proclaimed as the law of the land..

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Comment: Do people here value the truth as one who has found great "spoil"? Or does ego and pride rule the day? Now I am honest enough to admit my mistakes... how about any of you?

Actually I must back peddle a bit... It was not right of me to say I was "ashamed of you"... I love you all as I love myself... It is just as inappropriate in light of the spirit for me to be ashamed of you as for you to judge others in light of the God's grace. For God has given you the same spirit as me. Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. Comment: It is probably some of the same people reading this post that witnessed to me and brought me into God's holy of holies. So this is where the law of liberty warring in my members taught me that to be ashamed of you was going against God's law of liberty. It doesn't help that you have not rightly divided the word of God after all of these years but by the same token I still have no right to judge you spiritually either. I am not looking for praise other than from God. Psalms 119:162 I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil. Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 2Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation [law of liberty]. 2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Psalms 133:1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Comment: Is any of this making sense? I love you all and I am proud of God's family of the holy spirit. For we all learned to speak by the spirit together in unity of mind. 1Corinthians 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Comment: Did God remove the candlestick from the place of "The Way" because we did not repent by way of the spirit but we kept dredging up sin by way of the law till, "No one wanted to go to our church?" Did we wrongly divide the church because we wrongly divided the law of liberty from the law of sin and death? There was a time when liberty ruled our ministry but it was snuffed out like a candle... And all that was left was legal minded bullies who ruled with tyranny instead of charity. Again I am sorry for speaking rash and I love you all because of the liberty with which we have been called.... Galatians 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh [law], but by love serve one another. Comment: We are not supposed to use liberty to impose law but we use the spirit to guide us and teach us to walk in love. Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth [law of liberty] in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Comment: When did love bashing become law bashing?

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Comment: People are still seeking the righteousness of God in the flesh and not the spirit. For it is law that brings knowledge of sin that feeds condemnation that leads to the sins of the flesh.. For the flesh can still sin but the flesh is not who the person identifies with but the person is identified with the spirit in God's eyes. The natural man cannot please God and the person of the spirit cannot displease God... 2Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust [law/flesh].

We first received the image of God conditionally.. Then unconditionally. 1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible [conditional] seed, but of incorruptible [unconditional seed], by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

"I have no friends when it comes to God's word..."

Now this is in response to YOUR post not only my own... You have simply just disagreed and not given one shred of logic other than it is your opinion. You know what they say about opinions... PROVE TO ME THAT WE ARE STILL UNDER THE LAW "BIBLICALLY..." Or "shut your damned mouth." As VP aptly once said. :) My students are still walking along their own way from the hell that "out in the world Christianity" has subjected them to... I do not have to apologize for or defend the truth it is error and lies that makes your files thick... I just dust my feet off and walk on it is you who is holding others to standards that you yourself do not adhere to.. For ALL were judged sinful under the law... And the natural man cannot please God... Do we have to go back to PFAL and sit, stand walk? Acts 21:14 And when he would not be persuaded, we ceased, saying, The will [law] of the Lord be done. Comment: We cannot serve two masters, law and the law of liberty...

I can quote scriptures but it has been a breath of fresh air to not have go into as much detail as I have had to in other forums. Also when you see others heading to walk into the path of train you simply save them and yank them out of the way, BECAUSE YOU LOVE.... You know I can back up my doctrine scripturally for we all are exceedingly proficient in the words of the word. My usage of certain words should bring to mind the doctrines that I use to back up my position. Nothing can lay law at the feet of the spirit for it has already been judged (past tense) and it is a new birth of "incorruptible" seed. As you can see I have had the trust in the spirit of the true God to go further than Doctor did with liberty.. Furthermore his own occasions for the flesh could not darkens his own spirit. Only his renewed mind fellowship with God. For law is the occasion of the flesh. Do not let liberty and the liberty of others lead you back to the law. For law is the only occasion of the flesh there is left, for the spirit cannot sin. Now see who's doctrines have been turned upside right. These strings that have bound us are the strings of the laws.

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils [laws] were entered into him. Comment: For to use law to cast out devils is using the prince of devils to cast out sin. These sins only return in "legions". Jesus used forgiveness (the law of liberty) instead of law to cast out sins. Father forgive them for they know not what they do... It was this very law of boastful men/women and condemnation that brought the ministry of "The Way" down... And the ministry will not rise and expand again until the law of liberty is reestablished in the church.

The purpose of forgiveness of "sins" in the Church is for when people revert back to the law and have broken fellowship with God and the the perfect law of liberty. For how can perfection sin?

Word Wolf you can have the law of sin and death and see where "charity" leads you and I will take the law of liberty and see where charity leads me. For what the law could not do in that is was weak and "wimpy"... :) Are you saying we are NOT free from the law and man is justified by the deeds of the law once again? The law of liberty and the law of sin and death are diametrically opposed. You can't have it both ways... Do animals make laws? Only the "law of liberty" can save the world. I have many students on the internet and I will tell you I am ashamed to bring them here because they understand the law of liberty more then the lot of you. Those who never knew Wierwille. Until you get into fellowship with the true God I will not even link them to you. I don't want anyone poisoning their minds with "Way" hate. They have enough hate of the old man nature that they have to struggle as it is to renew their minds to Christ's walk of the law of liberty. Jesus Christ was a "friend to sinners"... he did not mark and avoid them... Shame on you who do not hear the voice of charity for being so gullible as to forsake the walk of Christ for the law again. Your shame will be imposed by the very law consciousness you impose on others. Now I have explained this and just because it does not agree with your legalistic "doctrine" you have encased in stone does not mean that I am the one who is errant. Who shall decide which laws are still in effect? All of the laws are embodied in the law of liberty which is simply love for God and others through the spirit and not love earned by the works of the flesh. (lest men should boast) Thankfulness of the spirit is the only power than can manifest true charity and the works and deeds of the spirit. I will explain this again and again and if you keep going back to the law then I will consider a spiritual depletion and blinded minds which cannot believe the truth. You need to see liberty in light of the perfection of the spirit. The charity of the law of liberty over the law of sin and death. For the law of liberty is what the Bible amply teaches and you have magnified a few scriptures of deeds and unclear legal jargon to simply revert back to the law.

Who accuses those of the very thing they themselves do? This is a doctrinal discussion of God not the price of tea in China.

The word of God never ceases to amaze us with even greater truth. Dr. Wierwille was right, the word of God does fit and the more we study it the more perfection it reveals. Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments [law of liberty], and his ways past finding out!

Before Abraham was, I am... Before Abraham was Melchizedek who represented liberty and not law. John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

Melchizedek is a very enigmatic figure in the Bible that I believe he may have planted the seeds of liberty. I don't believe he was Christ but he carried the spirit to the world in the understanding of how the flesh and blood atone for sin. He maintained the true way of the tree of life though he had endured Babylonian mysticism. Out of the most unlikely of places comes the truth sometimes. I see it sometimes that the law was the mountain and Melchizedek was the spirit of the mountain. It is interesting to note the journey of the spirit though this world until it became seed in the Church. I wish I knew more on this character Melchizedek. But his offering of communion overshadows the sacrifice of Christ. Thus he facilitates our liberation from the flesh. Liberty is not based upon the fulfillment of laws but the fulfillment of faith.