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The holy spirit dove which Jesus Christ identified himself with came from "above"...

Are you saying the holy spirit gift seed (image of God) can sin? 1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

Those are rules for living a good life in the flesh they have nothing to do with the "gift" of the holy spirit. That is God's works not our own that saves us. The love of God is greater than sin. If we could save ourselves by rules then what use would God be? The only condition is that we freely receive this holy spirit. We have the righteousness of God not our own, the perfection of the spirit not the perfection of the flesh. For those who are of the flesh cannot please God. Only the spirit can perfect the flesh not the law or rules... Rules are also an external guide and not an internal guide like the spirit. The spirit may require us to also break rules to remain in fellowship with God. If we commit fornication in the flesh we will receive the physical sickness and judgment the the flesh has to offer. If we do not love others we will receive our own hate mirrored back into our own souls. The flesh has it's own judgment and recompense God does not need to judge what does not concern him. People who want justice in the flesh will receive their justice and in the meantime blindly overlook the justice of the spirit. Only our love and goodness concerns God. God does not point out our failures but he magnifies our successes. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood and the laws of the flesh but we wrestle against unholy spiritual powers that create the illusion of the flesh.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

I have figured out some interesting things lately... That both law and liberty are parallel lines drawn in the same direction... down to hell. They both accompany each other into hell. The deeper you go into law or liberty, the darker life becomes. Where the law of liberty leads into the heavens. Liberty being what animals have, for they have no written laws. This liberty leads to anarchy and division because it is an entirely self (flesh) oriented approach. Where the law is flesh oriented because they (laws) judge the flesh and cannot know the spirit. Thus they emphasize the flesh over the spirit as being more important. Only the law of liberty leads to God's grace and mercy and the unity of the spirit. There is neither Jew (law) nor Gentile (liberty)... For all are one (law of liberty) in Christ Jesus.

Not just another law... but a perfect law.

Spiritual justification is that we are just (in God's eyes) because of our spirits and not by our flesh. (The flesh is inconsequential to God for the flesh brings it's own rewards (which is usually premature death and suffering. For the flesh is dependent upon the soul where the new body is dependent upon the spirit.) Our justification is not of our own works but by the works of God and the works of Christ in us. Thus this free gift to all who simply believe for it becomes our rock and cleft in the mountain with which we cling to in life's stormy seasons. The walk of faith is that we have faith in the spirit for our justification not the walk of our flesh and it's stratagems. That we focus our attentions to how the spirit teaches our mind and NOT how the law teaches our mind. That we walk in the way of the spirit and not by the way of the law. That we walk in forgiveness instead of wrath. That we live with a view toward love and liberty of the spirit rather than a view toward condemnation and judgment. It is like living tethered to this world and suddenly jumping upon the back of a bird and flying. The bird is the holy spirit dove and it is the way of God. For this reason we are able to walk in the flesh more perfectly than otherwise. One should never criticize a person's walk until they first consider how this person would have walked if they had not had Christ nor the spirit at all. So the flesh has it's own consequences just as the spirit has it's own rewards. God does not need to judge the flesh for the flesh judges itself (rather harshly I might add). God is only there to gather the things that remain, the things that stay faithful and the things that are true, holy and without blame. For the light in Christ will rise up to meet God in the air.

The law was weak in that it could not grant people spiritual justification.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit [law] of grace [liberty]? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. 3 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions; 33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used. 34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance. 35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. 36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. 37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. 38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition [law]; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul [law of liberty].

I take your post in all respect and thoughtful consideration. If forgiveness was available then why was Jesus considered a heretic for granting forgiveness... It is like forgiveness is available but you need God here physically to grant it? If the law was strong in love then what was the weakness that Paul speaks of concerning the law? Forgiveness was only for the elite... Forgiveness of the OT is like the don't ask don't tell policy of the US govt. If you are a humble translator and they find out you are gay it is immediate dismissal but if you are a marine on the front line firing mortar shells twenty four seven then it is overlooked...

This is pure rhetoric... Are you telling me you don't know what the liberty bell is?

I believe the world is in peril. Not because of the trinity... Over half of the world does not even believe in the trinity. Muslims certainly do not believe in the trinity either neither do the Jews nor many other faiths. Yet it is the law of liberty that is grave danger of being forgotten. Brothers are fighting brothers because this law is in neither of their minds. Even the elite of the most prestigious institutions of intellectual and spiritual excellence have forgotten the law of liberty's resplendent wisdom. The liberty bell needs desperately to be mended and it must ring again...

And who decides your own "righteous requirements"? :)

The woman taken in adultery, (thought to be Magdalene) when Jesus said, "he who is without sin cast the first stone", he himself was "without sin" so if the law was so "holy" why did he not stone her? Instead, he forgave her. He did not say what she did was right he said she was forgiven. Something must still be wrong to need to be forgiven of it. But the change was that there was forgiveness in his administration. (grace by faith) That God is not behind the law so the law cannot be used to punish God. Once the spirit came on the day of Pentecost, the forgiveness of Christs was final and complete. We are to someday have a new body that will be fashioned after the perfect spirit that we already have. Yet this will not be our own new body but we will be in the body of Christ. Christ being the head of the new creature. This new creature will bond with the old testament "bride" and the will be part of his flesh also and become one flesh. Yet Christ is the head of the body and "bride" but God is the head of Christ. Thus as the old testament people are humbled to Christ, we the saints are humbled to Christ and Christ is ultimately humbled to God. Thus God is the head of the entire living creature. Once perfected, the heavens and the earth in the end will be in God's true form and image.

So does the earth have a spirit? The Bible says God formed made and created the earth also. Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

I will be back in the forum, I take time to incubate then I return with a vengeance. :D receive retain release... I have learned allot from you all though you may not seem to think so. I just need time to mull it over in my mind. I have not given up on the law of liberty one bit. I am just trying to figure out God's part in the law. How could God be in the law and then not in the law and then proclaim he never changes? Does God change or not? I still believe God does not change but humans change and draw closer to what God is. For we cannot perceive the law of liberty without the spirit living within. Can an animal say to themselves well because God has made me spiritually perfect I will no longer live by my instinct? So it was not God who became more spiritual but humans who became more spiritual. God has always been the Holy Spirit... So the law must have been a kind of disciplinary device. For it was not the legal system that was holy for there were many legal systems that strive for human perfection. The law was weak in that it could not love. So the law was weak because it was devoid of God... For God is love.

It is only fulfilled in your ears... :) Those with ears to hear follow the beat of a different drummer. Your God is searching for our sins and mine is searching for our blessings.

It is prophesied that those who reject Jesus Christ would reject those who walk in his stead... How can we have the righteousness (spiritual seed) of God if we are yet to be judged? Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Comment: Is God's righteousness to be judged? And by whom?

Wow you keep it up and I will need to write an entire epistle to correct you... Free from the law means exactly that.. Jesus did not sup with sinners because he found them acceptable to the OT law you espouse. Your logic just twists around and comes back to "the law" as your centerpiece rather than the trust in the spirit. Free from the law means that God is not in the OT law anymore. So if you think you are going to get even with God by breaking the laws you are only hurting your own flesh and that of others. You will suffer in your flesh the consequences of "man's day" and human judgment. For God is not in the law but in the law of liberty through the holy spirit. If you are living by the law of the OT you are living by the flesh. To walk by the law of liberty is to walk by the spirit. Free from the law? What does this mean? That we are free from the law (but we are still judged by it?) PURE RUBBISH! Our salvation is complete. Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Comment: NOTHING CAN SEPARATE US FROM THE SPIRIT... IT IS SEED AND IT IS HOLY... Anyone who tries to tell you differently is ANTICHRIST. We have to confess the spirit from sin...

I might also mention... Keeping the straight and narrow is walking in the law of liberty not walking under the law... NO flesh shall be justified by the deeds of the law... Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Apparently you don't know what "free from the law" means... It means that our spirits are already judged... Incorruptible seed. I will be here to remind you of that... Saved by grace You seem to think you can select who YOU want saved. It doesn't work that way.. You do not set God's moral law. God in his own law of liberty has saved all who believe upon him. All you want to do is rejudge the spirit again... Maybe God didn't do a good enough job the first time?

So what do we do about public beheadings and the law being imposed upon peoples all in the name of God? Where there is no spirit because the outer law side rules. I venture to say the meaning of the word terrorist is someone who has taken the law of God over the spirit of God. Give that some thought and then ask yourself are you a terrorist or a son of God?

I appreciate the warm welcome and I am glad that someone here has considered my point. One can never go wrong with the law of liberty. For they will always have the holy spirit on their side.

That is simple liberty not the law of liberty because the spirit can never enslave...