BillyD.........The goings-on which E.L. exposed in her letter and Capn Crunch posted to The Cafe were nothing shy of EVIL.
If mocking or being aggressive could cause EVIL to end, I say Bring it on!........however, I don’t see mocking or aggression coming from DWBH........he has questions which he feels men who call themselves Christian leaders should answer.......... I have some meself....
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ButNowISee........You are spot on when you wrote: ..........Wasn't the pressure and contact from this website and those who post here what started the only reform that's taken place there thus far??
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Tzaia..........your saying ...”This was strictly a CES problem and it needed to stay there.”...... is example of the problem...........
it’s the ‘can’t talk’ rule.
People who know how cults work write things like:
.........“This spirit of control also prohibits anyone from discussing doubts on doctrine or the set of rules their particular church inflicts upon them. David Johnson, in his book, The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, says, ‘The most powerful of all unspoken rules in the abusive system is ... the "can't talk" rule...If you speak about the problem out loud, you are the problem. In some way you must be silenced or eliminated. Those who do speak out are most often told, `We didn't have all these problems until you started shooting your mouth off. Everything was fine before you started stirring things up.'" Or “Quit causing division........you need to learn to forgive........love........”
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...........”The dysfunctional system no doubt had a ‘don’t talk’ rule by practice—but probably spiritualized and cloaked in scripture as well. The ‘don’t talk’ rule serves to hide a myriad of the leaders’ sins.”
Your saying “The truth is that they ALL have used and abused personal prophecy to establish the 'rightness' of their actions when it has suited them.” is precisely why this was NOT strictly a CES problem that needed to stay HIDDEN there...............
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DMiller...... If you are/were a financial supporter it is a very, very bad sign that you “haven't gotten answers from questions I asked quite a few months ago.”
.........You said CES doesn’t owe us anything. I beg to differ. Since CES claims to be a viable Christian ministry... expecting people to look to it for spiritual direction and to support it with prayer, time and money... methinks its leadership owes not only us something but owes the rest of the world something---an example of Christlike living........
.........What has been exposed here at The Café is long term, deeply defended, UN-Christlike living. Methinks that if they were mending their ways, they’d come back to The Café and transparently answer any reasonable question....working, as socks says, to get it right.
