ChasUFarley

I highly recommend this area of NH:

www.winnipesaukee.com

It's not "tourist infested" like you might get on the seacoast, but does have great attractions. I live at the most southern tip of the lake.

Tag me if you're coming this way - jarg@metrocast.net

Knowing that we have quite a mix of people posting here, I know that this question will bring a variety of answers. I'm curious as to what has been tainted for people, overall, post their TWI experiences.

For me, it's receiving counsel from anyone about a personal aspect of my life. I won't ask and don't like to be told how to live my personal life. Even when there have been times when hubby and I probably could have used counsel, I wouldn't have gone. TWI leaders had their noses waaaayyyy too far into my personal life, including my bedroom, for my comfort - BUT THERE WAS NOTHING I COULD DO ABOUT IT.

That's the maddening part. That's also why that part is spoiled for me.

I also hate hearing any preacher speak with any kind of mid-west accent - especially if he's yelling. Forget it!

What's been spoiled for you?

What is being kept from you possibly benefitting from things that you could use in your life because of your experience in TWI?

DVDShrink is 'da bomb!

I had not trouble locating online last night and got to save the movie to my hd, at least. Now I just need to get my hands on Nero. The DVD burning sw that came with my new computer is junk. I've blown most of it off and it amazes me how cryptic the interfaces of those programs are. I mean, I get around pretty good with sw - advanced MS user, etc., but I can't imagine how someone who's just starting out feels when they look at some of these... yikes!

Anyhow, I've located a free trial of Nero - I think I can get it from work for free anyhow, which is always nice...

Thanks again you guys! You always have the best advise!

What the hell is "fig pep"?

Okay, I want to make copies of some DVDs (yes, commercial brand but for my own use - not to sell - we own them) and the software that came with my new 'puter is horrible for it.

What's good, simple to use, and won't break the bank?

I think LCM made a HUGE mistake by telling people not to surf the web.

When my 3 year old tells me not to go into the bathroom ("No mommee! Go 'way!), I have every reason to suspect he did something in there that I'm not going like, right? (Right!)

LCM was no smarter. He ranted about not going on the internet unless it was for a specific purpose. Get what you need, he said, and get off it.

Hummmmmmmmm..........

I knew something was brewing - it was Waydale! Waydale was so easy to find. I remember it was so slow going at first - there would be like five posts a day.

Now-a-days they don't tell people to go on the net because everyone knows about Greasespot - those who are in TWI and out.

WayGB shouldn't be so worried about who's posting what - they can't see who's reading what, which is more important!

Ted - my best to you, hunnie! (__!__)

The fact that LCM's class was A LOT harder to swallow was established for me when the local leadership, after the airing of the "Eve" segment, commented on how difficult that was to comprehend/accept. I'd been thinking the same thing - I was A/V at that class - but didn't DARE voice it. She was WC and said it and she'd sat thru that class several times.

It seems like nothing has changed - just a few names and that was only to protect the guilty!

I read those names and think, "SSDD..."

(Same $hit, Different Day)

Same twits in the same places but four years later from when I last looked at a list like that....

They're listening to the same crap out of HQ. Nothing new under the TWI sun. They're reading the same articles - just different, long a$$ed titles, same damn authors...

It's comforting knowing I'm not missing a thing.

Yeah, I've been to something like all those "events" you listed above but the weirdest one I went to was a "Naughty Nightie" party my TC had. It was just the girls from the fellowship, of course, but then there was their girl friends from work, etc. - how that counted as a "witnessing night" I'll never know...

My label changed with leadership as they got or didn't get what they wanted. For example, when I was there to set up and clean up after every meeting I was a "good doulos" or "good disciple".

When I left a hair in the bathroom sink then I was "spiritually blind" or didn't have "renewed mind".

When I asked too many questions or wouldn't babysit the BC's BRATS for free every weekend, then I was "rebellous and aloof".

Now, as the Dixie Chicks say, I'm "a-long time gone!"

Hey Socks... we had more channels in lil' ol' NK than I have now with cable in NH....

At least when I was there... and there were lots of sports channels. Go figure.

A side note....

PJ - That's the same Ramona who's named in the Allen's lawsuit...

(She worked switchboard, if memory serves me.)

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Back to the thread...

Y'all --

I seriously doubt this to be true about the book store being open. You know if it is true they're only going to let people have certain things "until you've had the class..."

I mean really... Do you expect they'd give just anyone carte blanc with their materials?

...And a return of PFAL? Be real! Would they re-do it? Maybe but what I find more interesting in examining this whole thing is that RFR has done little/nothing to place her mark on the ministry.

Why hasn't she written a book? Or filmed a class? Or done a teaching tour? Or something? Anything? She certainly has an ego... What's she doing to make her mark?

It will be interesting to see this story confirmed...

ROYAL GORGE -- you say your source is a good one...? Define "good".

Paw & Oakie --

Y'all know it's ol' Chas who hangs the moon...

(_!_)

Did she get pregnant from a wardrobe malfunction and decide to name her kid Jackson?

That name alone is child abuse!

Can you imagine the tax write offs these people get? HOLY COW!

Chas is a group pic of WOWs in Nashville, TN - check your 1993-1994 Way Rags. I think it was a spring time issue, so that'd be 1994.

I'm the red-head with the really short hair.

To the LDS posters -

I wasn't formally excommunicated - I didn't say I was - I was told not to come back until I was ready to respond to some nosey questions. Yes, the president of the church was out of control, I'm sure. I not interested in returning, to be truthful. The things the LDS church inspired in me for my realationship with God were pursued when I was in TWI (teaching, going WOW, etc.)and I'm happy with those outcomes.

mz - I hear what you're saying... I've been there, too. I didn't have a lot of family in TWI, just my x-husband (we didn't divorce until after he was M&A'ed - it was after the divorce that I left TWI - I wasn't M&A'ed). I did have a lot of friends - some closer than family. Many of them are still in - a few have left.

Perhaps your situation is different - I don't wish to sound judgemental - but for me it was a case of where I'd be happier. It scared the crap out of me at the time to do it because I'd bought a lot of the teaching about how dangerous it was to be outside the household. I found it was awkward, a little lonely at first but the people who really loved me have kept in touch. I didn't loose any friends, I think... we're just not in close contact anymore.

I wasn't M&A'ed when I left - it was my own choosing - however, I felt the new leadership in the area had an agenda and treated me very disrespectfully - no love or grace was shown to me. I went from being someone who was considered sharp to the biggest problem child in a month - all with a change in RC/LC when WC assignments were done... I felt torn about making the decision to stay or leave. Then I realized I had more friends who were outside TWI than were left - plus many of the posters at Waydale were very supportive.

Mz - my heart goes out to you - you're in a tough situation, I'm sure. Maybe you should ask yourself 'Am I really loved and why?'

I hope the love is for the right reasons.

...both YOU and YOUR SPOUSE have subscriptions to the weekly taped teaching service and bi-monthly magazine because you're both supposed to be so into whatever crapola they're spewing that you can't possibly share.... you might be in a cult...

...you cringe when you use any word beginning with bi ('bi-monthly') because you're afraid of sounding homo-sympathetic... you might be in a cult...

...you consider 'homo-sympathetic' to be a real word - and a bad one, at that!... you might be in a cult..

(I'm just going to stop right there...)

No offence to you, TempleLady but...

I was KICKED OUT of the LDS church at the ripe ol' age of 13 for refusing to answer the president's questions when I had the annual meeting with him. He asked about some things that I thought were NONE of his business - I hadn't done anything wrong at all - but didn't like the invasion by someone who didn't know my first name... He told me not to bother coming back until I would "submit" and answer his questions...

...but I digress...

Amazingly enough, I wasn't kicked out of TWI. I was placed on "spiritual probation" when my x-husband was "smoked out" (homo hunt). I wanted to stand with TWI after that and left him. I WAS AFRAID OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF I WAS SENT OUTSIDE THE GATE - OUTSIDE THE HOUSEHOLD!

LCM taught, ranted, promised and screamed about how bad things were outside of the Household of God. He promised there would be weeping and gnashing of teeth (funny, that was going on INSIDE the Household too, now that I think about it...) He and other leaders told stories of people who had lost everything, hit rock bottom, returned totally to their "old man" ways and even DIED for leaving TWI.

The funny thing was that even people who had been "kicked out" were presented as having left by their own choosing. "Had they done what they were told to do by leadership they would still be here today" yaddy yaddy yaddy...

After people left it was presented to the fellowship - IF it was mentioned at all - that they had left of their own choosing. Leadership would always go on to spin how they were protecting the Household and how that person was (usually) a conduit for the adversary, or some such muck... In VERY few cases did I ever see this as true.

M&A is a control tool - look at the threats by LCM and others who taught about life outside the Household. Look at how it was used for everything from "homo" to "messy house" - they were out of control with it!

So, in answer to TempleLady's question - the only profit, as I see it now, is to the person who got M&A'ed from TWI! For many it took time away from the ministry to realize that life was really better without the slave-master-leadership bugging them about every little thing in life.

Rev. Chuck Nevins was one of the most compassionate, on-the-level, true teachers I've had the privilege to know.

He was also one of the biggest pranksters.

I lived with him, Margie and the girls in the late 80's, in Alabama. Chuck loved to catch me busy at work in the office, unsuspecting of him sneaking up behind me, crouched down, ready to jump and yell "RAH!" - which resulted in me jumping two feet out of my chair, shrieking.

One time he got me as I was getting into my little Ford Festiva - it was after dark, I wasn't really expecting anyone to jump out of the back seat at me - which he did the moment I opened the door to get in - scared the crap out of me! He sure knew how to keep me on my toes!

I learned a lot from Chuck & Margie about various aspects of life. Too many to mention. I know they often wondered if I was paying attention - I was.

When I left TWI I contacted Chuck. I knew he was involved with CFF and out of TWI. I was worried there was "no life" after TWI. He was supportative, fatherly in the advise he gave me. His voice was a warm hug over the phone during an uncertain time in my life.

I'm saddened by this news about the loss of Chuck. My heart goes out to Margie, Joyell and Kara in many ways because Chuck was a dynamic man... he was something else... someone very special.

Love,

Krista

My husband is Greek - he is first generation American - his parents came to America via Ellis Island. Greek was his first language and still the language he speaks with his mother and other relatives. He's teaching it to me so that when we go over to Greece to visit (some day soon) I will be able to converse with his relatives.

We're attempting to raise our son in a bilingual household - it's a challenge. I've picked up a little Greek (the language, not the kid) and it is a very guttural language. I've also found it to have many words that sound like what they really are (onomatopoeia). For example, "snore" in Greek is "v'Rule, v'Rule" (phonic spelling, of course) or "fart" is "pru-TZ, pru-TZ" (again, phonic spelling).

Classical Greek is like Latin - it's a dead language. No one knows how it is supposed to sound. Erasmus, a Dutch scholar, is the one who decided how Classical Greek should be spoken. The language was "sung" more than spoken, by scholars’' guesses. So, really the way that VPW spoke the language isn't really debatable. Yes, by Modern Greek standards, he was off in his pronunciations, but that's not what he was teaching, was it?

My husband's family is from a village in the mountains near Thesslonique. They speak what he describes as "West Virginia Greek" - there is different pronunciations to words that mean the same thing - it's less formal. I assume it's much like the way we Yankees think about the Southerners and their pronunciation of certain words ("y'all" vs. "you all").

By the way, the Greeks have their own version of "It's Greek to me!" - they say "It's Chinese to me!" (I'm not making this up - it's true!)

I remember hearing in the late 90's or so that LCM decided his office that was in the chalet needed to be redone. Something about the dimentions of it weren't quite up to snuff - like the numbers weren't spiritually correct enough for him (maybe it was 666 sq. ft. or something - who knows?).

Anyhow he had his home office gutted a redone more than once - a price tag that was very expensive considering materials and labor...

Anyone got the numbers or the details of this?

Not to derail this or anything but...

Most of these TWI "err-ban legends" came about in what we x-TWI-ers call TWI One. Not too many of them were from the TWI TWO (post-fog years). Some of these stories are pretty "out there" but anyone consider there might be some truth to them?

POINT: I think God may have actually worked in the ministry at one time - that is, until some heavy-handed twerp from OK got his hands on it.

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Back to the thread...

I know several people who claim to have had their 20/20 vision restored at ROA while in the House of His Healing Presence. (I believe a couple of them.)

(The twerp from OK tore it down around 1997!)

The WOWs in Sanford, ME where I got involved w/ TWI could knock down a few. One of the guys managed to get rip-roaring drunk one night before twig and was puking his guts outs in the bathroom with the tub water running - all through twig that night! I was worried the poor guy had afixiated or something!

I was 18 and thought they were cool to be "Christian" and living like they did. Sure they lived on spaghetti and hamburger but they always had St. Paulie Girl or Beck's in the fridge (and Drambuie on top of the fridge)...

As LCM got tighter so did the drinking - it wasn't as common and many more people were quitting smoking because of his rules - not just WC. He was just starting to harp on the fat people when he left...

No fun... he didn't want anyone to have fun but him (and look at where THAT got him!)

I'm going to step in something here by posting this - I just know it - but here it goes...

TWI didn't initially acknowledge or communicate with us "possessed" folks by writing the letter about Mrs. W.'s situation. (Sorry Mikey).

They did it first by infiltrating WAYDALE back in early 2000 with WayGB posing as poster and chatroom participants. They caused a lot of problems - Radar can attest to this as well.

TWI leadership confronted many WAYDALE/GREASESPOT CAFE members about their activity here on the internet. Just look up some of the old WAYGB threads.

Additionally, TWI included the shutting down of WAYDALE in the settlement terms with the Allens. TWI DID NOT want WAYDALE accessable to the public. They don't want GREASESPOT CAFE to be up and running either.

Point: Harv didn't set any new standards for communicating with us OPPs other than that he released a letter to be posted on the site. He knew that if he had replied to JP it would also be made public. Harv did it was done as a "one up on you JP" thingy. BFD.

Of course they'd love to see us go away but since that won't work they can only THREATEN the people who are left (i.e. if you surf these sites you too will be possessed).

Now, a refresher course for those of you who took DEFEATING THE ADVERSARY...

What is the secret of the adversary's success?

The secrecracy of his (the adversary's) moves.

Now, some little cult in OH says we're possessed but yet our motives are out in the open. Theirs is not.

Who's got the debbil spirit problems, I ask?