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1 minute ago, Mike said:
When you are ready to mix we can talk again.
I'll still be posting. Answer, don't. It makes little difference to me.
Think of all the time you'll save
And all thr typing I'll save.
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38 minutes ago, Mike said:
I'm just curious how you resolve these things in your life, with what you know now.
Why? Looking for tips on how to handle your life?
38 minutes ago, Mike said:
Your solution has a lot to do with the fullness of the conversation.So now you read minds.
38 minutes ago, Mike said:If you reckon yourself an interrogator, and I am sweating under the hot light, then please STOP IT !!
38 minutes ago, Mike said:If you want me to answer your questions, then you answer mine.
Do you blame God or not for your crappy life?
More projection.
Did I say my life was crappy?
So who do you blame for our crappy life?
My life started getting better when I realized Saint Vic was a con man seeing snake oil in the form of a class.
(I can't be held responsible for balls you lob right over the plate)
Now, rather than focusing on me let's focus on your understand of God, i.e., that you can't depend on him (something you revealed in the fullness of your conversation)
Don't mix with me, Mike, you don't have the tools.
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5 minutes ago, Mike said:
What is your solution for all this?
Did you find a better way to think about God?What's my solution have to do with your outrageous claim?
It's not what I think of God, it's what you think of God.
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2 minutes ago, Mike said:
E gads!
That is a written promise.
Claim it; best you can; we're all learning here.So what? If he can be delayed for one thing the possibility exist that he can be delayed for everything.
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3 minutes ago, Mike said:
No it is not strange.
What is strange is that you think I have an un-limited about of time for your topics.
Nobody forces you to answer.
Just think of all the time you'd have then
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16 minutes ago, Mike said:
God is fair, and the rules He made up before Adam's fall are fair.
But we got to know them well; down to details.What is unfair is the playing field where we apply them in the devil's world.
It is a complicated spiritual war we are in and all sorts of nasty, unfair things happen. We were given the abilities to fight them, but we got to be good at using the abilities. Things went wrong in our learning, very wrong, around 1986. For people who got into the ministry after that it was unfair that they didn't get to see it all working well, like inthe 70s
From that chapter (9?) in Daniel, God's forces working for us are delayed and lots of things are going on behind the scenes we have no inking of.
So, in your theology, we can't even depend on God to meet our needs. He might get delayed.
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11 minutes ago, Mike said:
God is fair, and the rules He made up before Adam's fall are fair.
But we got to know them well; down to details.What is unfair is the playing field where we apply them in the devil's world.
It is a complicated spiritual war we are in and all sorts of nasty, unfair things happen. We were given the abilities to fight them, but we got to be good at using the abilities. Things went wrong in our learning, very wrong, around 1986. For people who got into the ministry after that it was unfair that they didn't get to see it all working well, like inthe 70s
From that chapter (9?) in Daniel, God's forces working for us are delayed and lots of things are going on behind the scenes we have no inking of.
It helps if you didn't have a congenital liar pulling a bait and switch.
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6 minutes ago, Mike said:
I am tempted to drop everything and get the folder into post-able form. It is one of the ECNs that I've been proposing in texts to leaders, both in and out of TWI-4.
I wish I had the time to yield to that temptation right now.
Isn't it strange how you have time for posting essays, yet you don't have time for other things, such as the above?
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9 minutes ago, Mike said:
How many times did you not read my comments that I feel like calling the Corps "Wierwille's Folly" in the past 6 months?
Like VPW was wrong (and admitted it) in committing the funds and time for PFAL'77 being a replacement for the '68 class, I feel he was wrong in the way he wound up the Corps training, and the Corps taking over the field. But after 1982 it was too late for him to admit the mistakes and too late for him to implement change.
I know there were many good people and activities from the Corps also. I don't forget that, even though I don't always post it.Then rather than blaming the Corps for the ministry's downfall, put responsibility where it belongs: Saint Vic is responsible for the downfall of his own ministry.
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14 minutes ago, Mike said:
Jesus's Prayer to the Father:
... Thy will be done on Earth
as it is in heaven.
God's will is not done on Earth right now.
God is not in charge; it's broken.Bull, as I said God made the rules of believing therefore they must be fair.
If they're not fair, as you claim, then why bother?
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12 minutes ago, Mike said:
No. I've been through this with other grads for decades, and with myself also.
We are living behind enemy lines.
God is not in charge; the devil is.
This is temporary.
All this is in PFAL.
The broken universe is in Romans 8.God makes the rules of believing and the abundant life, not the devil. God is fair, therefore the rules of believing are fair.
You're just making up a training period to cover for not being able to answer Waysider's question which apparently brings into question the validity of the law of believing.
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Just now, Mike said:
How are you defining this promised abundant life?
What difference does it make? It's a compilation of everything you've stated in this thread added to Saint Vic's original assertations.
Just now, Mike said:I mean THEN, how did you define it.
What WERE your expectations in such a life back then?p
I was told wait until you see the life God has planned for you. That was my expectation. Needless to say I never saw that great life.
Just now, Mike said:From whom did you get these expectations? I'm guessing VPW and session one. Did you update them with the SNS tapes, like I posted a few minutes ago?
Yah, give me some more empty excuses. Why would I want to waste my time having my ear cocked listening to every SNS tape when the bull in the foundation class didn't float?
Did the apostles need to listen to SNS tapes? Do atheist and other unbelievers?
Just now, Mike said:Most importantly, did you refine your Session One understanding/definition/expectations as you searched the Gospels to see what Jesus had to say about such an abundant life, beyond John10:10?
So you're saying Saint Vic pulled a bait and switch. He made it clear in session one he was speaking of material abundance. But now you st further information would reveal that was a lie?
Just now, Mike said:*/*/*/*
Sorry about all those questions at once.
I'd also be interested in how you define it now.Did you eventually get it straight what kind of abundant life Jesus came for you to have? If not, are you interested in Jesus' perspective on this?
You mean Saint Vic's interpretation of Jesus' perspective, don't you?
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29 minutes ago, Mike said:
Life in the broken universe is rarely fair; not yet, anyway.
Life may be unfair, but God isn't.
Are you making this stuff up as you go. It sure feels like it.
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So let's review:
In order to receive the abundant life from God, we have to know:
What's available
How to receive it
What to do with it when we got it
Have our needs and wants balanced
And two things that were not mentioned in the class about getting an abundant life:
Have a bibical verses in mind, or have revelation from God
And now realize there's an application and training period.
(Neither one of the two being required of unbelievers.)
Wouldn't we have already fulfilled our training period by having lived in fear? Since fear is negative believing we should all be experts on how to operate the law.
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4 hours ago, Mike said:
And I have skin in the game that I prefer to not pass thru my keyboard about,,, for my privacy and for the privacy of others. I have confided some of these things to as people in private, to the extent I think they could help me, or to the extent I thought that I can help them.
If you were any more transparent, you'd disappear. You're obviously planning on starting your own off-shoot.
4 hours ago, Mike said:This is a VERY complicated problem, and most of the victims know it. You can’t win their trust with a pure evil model of nearly everything VPW said, did, and wrote. The victims are not that stupid, most of them.
This makes me very happy your not a trauma counselor.
The first thing that happens in trauma counseling is to exercise the victim's anger. This is done in a variety of ways, in one way I know of in particular, the counselor had the victim call the person causing the trauma vile names.
And, as long we're discussing victimization and message, how do you think it helps a victim to hear how good the person causing the trauma is.
Visualize a kid who's had a parent murdered. What do you think constantly hearing about what upstanding citizen would do to the child? Would it help or hurt?
4 hours ago, Mike said:There is so much good that came to us all, and the victims know that too. What they don’t know is exactly what was correct that they have in their brain versus what was not correct in their brain. Telling them to dump it all and start over will repel the wise ones, and screw up the less wise ones. That is my opinion.
As I've told you before, you keep talking about the supposed "good" in general terms. If you go through the archives, you'll see all the evil done in detail. So rather than talk generally about the "good" how about giving specifics.
As you said, the victims are not that stupid. They'll see right through the language they can find in any commercial slogan:"Bosco is good." "Wonder Bread, the good choice."
That is my opinion.
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14 minutes ago, OldSkool said:
Well, I thought in this context that would be the way corps, I mean we volunteered for whatever. But with mike the way corps ruined the ministry. So its just a bad concept and nobody would ever love God enough to do what needs to be done based on God's goodness and love he's show us.
The corps ruined the ministry? Has Mike forgotten whose baby the corps was?
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32 minutes ago, Mike said:
I did. What about it?
Something entirely different that doesn't seem important now.
However, you stated that people didn't want to be prophets. Wouldn't it make sense, that like Mary, God would go to the people he knows would accept the challenge?
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27 minutes ago, Mike said:
God might choose one only to be refused, like with Jonah.
It takes two to tango this kind of thing. Remember how rejected prophets are. I get the impression many of them were losers who had grown accustomed to rejection, and were pretty meek and not heady about themselves. Nowadays, everyone is encouraged to make the best of themselves and excel over others. Not good prophet prep.
Again you try to bull your way out of it.
Read Amos 7:14.
Also, how do you know nobody wants the job? You ask everyone God asked to be a prophet?
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1 minute ago, Mike said:
Nobody likes them, so nobody wants to be one.
I thought God chose who was a prophet, liked and wanting have nothing to do with it.
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8 minutes ago, Mike said:
I started asking leaders in the 1980s if they had any prophet's phone numbers in their Roladex. It made them angry, and it made my point. There were not many miracles past the 70s, and there never were any prophets.
Even though prophets is one of the gift ministries? You know the people that told leaders who were off the word to get back on.
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1 minute ago, Mike said:
Not by science, that's for sure.
Not by anything, that's for sure. Better and best are comparisons, but compared to what?
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1 hour ago, Mike said:
Atheists can believe their immune system (and the Medical system) will work, and not have to use scriptural promises. But it would work better for them if they did.
As there's nothing to compare it to, how pray tell, would we know it's better?
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4 minutes ago, chockfull said:
The higher up in the org you go the more sketchy the applications of “revelation” become in my experience.
A bunch of yes men faking it until they make it.
How about dont schedule a damn meeting in the midst of a blizzard you arse head. (That leader lol)
That's one of the questions I always asked myself: with all that was going on with Saint Vic where were the prophets?
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10 minutes ago, Mike said:
I did not say that.
Yes you did.
Did you not say that atheist can get healing without scriptures? Did you say that Christians need scriptures? Did you not tell me my error was I didn't have a scripture to follow? Do atheist require following scriptures for their believing to work?
I rest my case.
10 minutes ago, Mike said:I said there are often a lot of ups and downs in normal healings, and that the scriptures can help that go better. Why did you summarize it in the direction you did?
Because ts one of those concequences of what you said.
10 minutes ago, Mike said:
Could you not see that I was implying that we christians could do it without the scriptures, but that it would be better with them?No, because your first response to me was what scripture were you following as if getting anything from God requires a scripture reference.
10 minutes ago, Mike said:Are you TRYING to misunderstand?
Are you trying to create misunderstanding?
God’s Budget and Double Doors .... On the Scarcity of Miracles
in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
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Yah, you did such a good job you wound up rabbiting in the end..
Oh, you hid behind the old I won't answer your question until you answer mine gambit. Now what would happen if we all used the same gambit on you? You'd have nobody to talk to because you cherry pick the questions you'll answer. So anybody should recognize the old I won't answer your question until you answer mine ploy.
So, getting back on track, you're saying we can't depend on God to meet our needs because if he can be delayed by one thing, he can be delayed again, need or greed.