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I think the only ones here "wound up" are some innies. They're "taking a stand" dontcha know.

I try and be loving and accepting to people with all kinds of belly buttons, be they innies or outies

Everyone seems so wound up, I think they really need to relax it all the way.....and take a deep breath......there, now repeat after me..."These things happen, these things happen, these things happen...."(repeat until completely relaxed)

I really enjoyed it, but the first 20 minutes is some young adults partying and seems like a re run of Sex in the City, I was tearing my hair out, until....oops Ill let you you see it and not give away the plot

Ok well I dunno how the fighting got started but I encourage everyone here to loosen up their sphincters and relax, ahhhh thats better now eh?

Yes I know a bit about Yogi, but have ya heard anything about his sidekick Boo Boo?

Oh my gosh Ross is STILL in TWI! Wow thats like almost 30 years!

Is he the one I went wow with? Or is my memory crossed up? I might have known him from Massachusetts, but I have a distinct picture of his face! He was really funny!

Have you got any old pics of him?

I look frward to it!

And by the way I knew all those guys (except 2 or 3)....

Shelley Green (maiden name)

Jody Demerol (?maide name)

Pam Vachon

Wayne Vachon

Roy Resovick

Rob Fontaine

Randy Spaulding

Debbie Jobert (now Debbie Spaulding)

Peter Newey

Rob Gant

Jack Pendergast

Chicken, chicken chicken chicken.....chicken

Yes I long ago recognized that the workplace is kinda a war zone.

The politics and backbiting are common, its best not to trust too many "friends" at work, but rather put more trust in relatives, and friends outside of work who you know well.

Dont worry bout it, we all (at Greasespot) feel for ya, and I'll bet we're better friends than they are!

Ever since I came to The Greasespot Cafe I've been learning things about TWI that weren't covered by any other sources that I've found.

Some of my conclusions still technically rate as opinion, but with so much testimony about how TWI abused people, destroyed lives, and totally mishandled the scriptures. (I know the biblical part doesn't matter to all my friends, but I've gotta point it out because TWI was billed as a biblical ministry.)

What does TWI deserve from anybody in terms of financial support, or for that matter, how about the "splinter groups" or all the book sellers?

In another thread I just read a long time poster comment about a certain weariness about all the TWI warnings on this site. Oddly enough, considering this poster's and my history, I AGREE. The agreement is there in this respect, I don't see any reason for continued warning without good cause.

So I think if there is no real reason, what do we have to say?

IF THEY DO NOT LOVE YOU.

IF THEY CANNOT TREAT THE SCRIPTURES RIGHT.

IF THE SPLINTER GROUPS REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE SUFFERING OF TWI VICTIMS. Remember poeople, it could have just as easily been your loved ones that were ruined.

If they cannot summon the simple boldness to handle these issues honestly, out here in broad daylight where all of us can see the fruit.

I SAY THEY DO NOT DESERVE YOUR MONEY FOLKS.

HOW CAN THEY TEACH YOU ABOUT GOD WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES WHO WILL NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE TRUTH. They can't acknowledge the truth, THEY CANNOT THEREFORE EVEN FACE GOD, let alone speak on His behalf.

This is my reason to warn folks today.

PEOPLE,THEY DO NOT DESERVE YOUR MONEY OR YOUR SUPPORT.

LET THE LIARS AND THE COVER-UP ARTISTS NOT GET ANOTHER BIT OF YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY.

IF THEY DO NOT LOVE YOU, WHY DO YOU BUY THEIR BOOKS?

P.S. I think there are plenty of good groups out there, just be sure that there worthy people.

IT LOOKS TO ME THAT MANY OF THE BIGGEST NAMES IN TWI LEADERSHIP WERE TOTAL BASTARDS ANYWAY. It'd be better to keep you money folks, really.

I agree with you totally !

Lol thats good stuff

OK so I have read all these posts and its time for me to put in my two cents!

If they dont want no more babies they should call up the stork and tell him not to deliver no more babies!

There! problem solved

After I left the Way and got online with a computer, for some reason I felt I must post a website about "speaking in tongues", it appears to be built on PFAL but it doesnt really teach the heresies that PFAL taught...http://speakingintongues.faithweb.com/

Lemme know what ya think either here or in a PM to me

Are these recipes only for chickens to use? Or can people use them as well?

My firend and I made a program so that you can read random inspirational verses from the Bible. Here's a link lemee know what ya think and also Im taking requests for more inspirational verses....

http://bibleverse.20megsfree.com/Daily%20Scripture.htm

I didnt manage to read ALL the previous posts, but I read many of them and Id like to put in my two cents

I do NOT hate gay people, I feel they also should be loved with the love of God!

BUT I think if you asked Jesus he would say to practice self discipline and not sin, cause people in this day and age tend to be so self indulgent that they seek any pleasure they can imagine, but I dont think Jesus would endorse Gay activity so therefore I dont recommend it to people either, for the sake of their good standing with God, and for the most part Gays are very loving people so they probly would otherwise make great loving Christians...

Well said Goey

I have a confession to make. I have been attending school for the past nearly 3 years and late last year I had a major epiphany. I am dealing with a major lack of faith in a risen lord right now. First of all, I went to Egypt last fall and spent most of my time there with Islamic guides. That was a real lesson in just learning how to be. I plan to go to the Middle East many more times, but only in a sociological context like I did the last time. It's very enlightening. Then I took a couple of humanities classes that covered early religions. I walked away with the gut feeling that Christianity isn't all that remarkable from a religious standpoint. Nothing has happened since then to change my mind. The more I try to reinsert myself into Christianity through reasoning and education, the harder it is to accept. Therefore, I can honestly say I'm doing nothing to move the "word" and find myself becoming more and more repelled by those who think they have all the right answers.

Points:

1. We have a Bible based on manuscripts with no originals to use for comparison's sake. If you don't have a problem with that, then how can anyone possibly have a problem with the Book of Mormon, or the Qur'an, or any other "text" that is supposedly divinely inspired that has no original manuscripts?

2. We have a savior that is risen, and a few more people who apparently were raised (not sure to new bodies and even then it's glossed over), yet no one outside the Christian community seems to know about it - even Josephus. You would think someone besides early Christian writers would find it worthy of mention. The only place you can find the evidence is in the Bible (see point #1).

3. I think it's kind of strange that he's ascended into heaven and is letting us have at it. Why? There is absolutely no reason to have this time gap where he's in heaven and we're down here trying to sort it all out with the help of the holy spirit, who could be an essence or a "person," depending on your point of view. But it's remarkably convenient.

4. I am very troubled by Paul's subsequent treatment and handling of women, particularly since it is very much at odds with how Jesus viewed and treated women. Even then, I found myself telling my husband that the submission of women to men seems just a little too convenient for my taste (yeah, I'm a troublemaker).

The more I look into it, the less convinced I am that this religion is significantly different than any other religion, and I find myself more and more put off by the claims of superiority and the notion that it is the final answer, when so much of it is still up in the air.

Christians boast about how rapidly Christianity grew. It's growth is nothing compared to the growth of early Islam. Ironically, Islam's early growth was largely due to the amassing and assimilation of knowledge at a time when Christianity was putting a real damper on the notion of having an educated and enlightened population. Moreover, Islam is firmly entrenched in an area where Christianity began. Am I the only one that finds that remarkable?

What I find is that groups such as TWI and STF and even most long-time organized groups rely on that sense of community, tradition, with a measure of guilt thrown in to hold people. The claim of having the truth is just that - a claim that could be based on a false premise.

Personally, I've been putting a bit of time into learning about the Law of Attraction (you are and attract what you think, or as a man thinks, so is he) and I'm not all that convinced that it's a load of rubbish. Although I do think the way TWI taught it was a load of rubbish.

It sounds like youve had some wonderful world travels and may God Bless you as you travel!

If you wanna see some of the info for Jesus and Christianity one of the best I know of is Lee Stroebel, who teahces about the evidence for the Bible and for Jesus Christs resurrection. When I feel any doubt I like to review the info that this writer provides.

Here is a link if you wanna check it out.......http://www.leestrobel.com/

Yep those things come back to haunt you! Thank goodness I moved to a different city....

I dont mean to be mean, but I didnt care for that music.....

Leave Oldies alone!Thats one of the main reason I quit the Way because of their lack of concern and love for individual people.I cant stand to see anyone singled out.

I think we all are against thw wrongs that the Way did to people, but as the Way leaves drop off, lets love and confort them, and prove that theres still good loving people out here, and we are NOT going to jump down their necks for errors that the Way has brainwashed them with.

Thats one reason why I dont "preach" my own doctrine a lot, but Id rather live love, so lets ease up on Oldiesman, and I have no idea what the reference is in some past post to "spinning" but I couldnt care less, I myself will NOT be affected by ANY opinion of the Way, because I beleve God himself delivered me from the Way, so I try and love other people who were victims of that organization

Yes but hes right thats the first thing you should check is your gas gauge, and its a simple fix. put some gas in the tank!

Im sorry I dont know that person, but my Wow vet sister was from Idaho...do you know her?? Melanie Doggett

I will openly say what I live on. 623 bucks a month from SSI and with that I get 99 bucks of food stamps (do the math, that's a buck a meal gang) and all my medical via medicare which uses the state's welfare insurance companies. The first year was real hard, I wasn't put on the best company, but now I had the chance to change a month ago and now finally all my meds are covered and they give me cab rides to all doc visits, tests, etc, that I have to go to. My GP doc is only 4.12 miles round trip though, so I can ride my mountain bike to his office when the weather allows. They insist on sending the cabs an hour before your appt time and living so close, I hate hanging out and wasting an hour before I get seen, then waiting up to another half hour after I call to get my ride back home when I'm done.

To get all of this wonderful money and medical so I could stay alive, all I had to do was separate and start the divorce from my husband. SSI accepted me fine, but couldn't help me since he was considered responsible for me while living with me and he made 9.50 an hour, which is too much income according to them. Of course that job of his offered no insurance and we could barely make bills much less pay for doctor visits and expensive meds, tests, etc. I needed. I held out for awhile, but I was down to 76 pounds and fading fast. I then did what I had to do and found a small studio apt near him. We can still hang out together, we just can't live together and will have to get the divorce. At that point we could then live together again if we would chose to, as he would no longer be responsible for me. Real nice system our Government has huh?

Today I'm at 104 pounds and no longer need the wheelchair or cane except for the times when my left hip joint, which needs to be replaced (has a flat spot on it) in time, flares up. I can't walk very far, 3 blocks is pressing my limit, but I can ride my mountain bike 5 miles or so without a problem since riding puts no weight on the hip or gut where the pain is the worst. Now that our weather has finally broken and we are down to the 90's and a couple of days in the 80's, it's beautiful riding weather and we will be able to start riding on his days off on weeks I'm up for it and I can start to ride a little further each time until I hopefully can get back somewhere near the 20 miles a day I used to be able to ride. When you don't have a car, it can make many things more difficult to get done that most take for granted daily.

Each month or every other month we are now adding on a new specialist I need to be seen by and getting all the pre auths done with my insurance company. I have the pain doc already, the OB-GYN and GP of course. Next will be either the G.I. for the Crohn's Disease or the skin doc for the Crohn's related skin disease I need a biospy of so we can get it entered into my medical records, since only 4 out of every one million people with Crohn's get the skin disease probs or the doc who will start to decide what to do about my hip joint that will need to be replaced. Being on 120 mg of methadone a day for my Crohn's, IBS, the skin blisters that turn into painful raw skin on hands, head, and recently face flare ups, Fibro and migraines, I don't normally feel the pain from the hip ... unless I do something stupid like stay under the table too long in a bad position while working on my computer. (Quit laughing Garth! Hahaha.) Then I will be in extreme pain for about 2 weeks and unable to put any weight on that hip and have to keep a special cream the pain doc has the pharmacist compound up special for his patients that numbs an inch deep into the skin and really helps when mixed with a heating pad and have to use the **** wheelchair if I go out of the house and be pushed around in it. *sigh* So fun .. NOT. Well, unless I'm on a nice smooth surface, like the grocery store floor where I can do donuts in the chair till I'm so dizzy I almost fall out of it. That's fun at times to do, but tends to embarass whomever is pushing me. LOL. Hitting the sloaping driveway as fast as I can and freewheeling it while saying 'Yee Haw!' kinda gets them going too.

One step at a time and we will get it all taken care of at the pace I can handle. Going out for a day will take me down for the next 3 or 4 days and I am good for nothing really other than sitting and talking and sleeping. Then I get the energy back that's needed to do it again. LOL. My GP doc's nurse practitioner is really good about making sure I get the time I need to rest up before we do the next round of medical stuff. She knows I lose weight so easily, we can't risk having that happen and then have me in a condition that would make me unable to have needed surgery until I could gain it back. It's taken me a year to go from 76 to 104. This is the first time in my life I've been over 100 lbs, unless I was pregnant. After so many years of bad docs who ignored me, called me a liar, asked me if I wanted the name of a good shrink, accusing me of being a drug seeker, it feels really good to finally have a full team of doctors working together to help me. After about 10 years of being an almost total shut in, I have so much I want to get out into the world to see and do, once they get me to the point I can without fearing it will set me back.

I kinda went off track there, but for a reason. The SSI/income issue with me doesn't really sink in, unless you hear the full story behind it and all we've had to go thru to get it and keep me alive. It really would have sucked to have died at 49 years old last year from a non fatal disease, just because of a 9.50 an hour job. All I can do is pray my rent doesn't go up, since I live in the cheapest building in this neighborhood where all stores I need for food, meds, bank, etc are all in a 3 block radius and I can ride there on my bike in a few minutes. It's not easy to find all that plus affordable rent so close together. I'm also on one of the major bus routes when I need to go further and carry things home (I have one of those big carts that holds 4 paper sized grocery bags and a couple plastic ones) to get to Target and WalMart on rare occasions. A cab is out of the question, they want 10 bucks each way and I just can't afford that.

The years I would have been able to work when I was younger, I was in TWI and following the husbands I had while in wanting me at home caring for the kids. I had no jobs other than a few that only lasted a month before I'd end up flaring and getting so sick I'd have to quit. Back then I couldn't get the docs to listen to me though, so I stayed home, tried to not whine about the pain and make it thru each day the best I could. Then I got really sick 13 years ago when I quit smoking to please a boyfriend .. stupid decision. I didn't know that I had Crohn's and those with Crohn's and Colitis tend to go from minor gut pain to major (I pass out from it) once they quit smoking. Tylenol no longer made the gut pain go away, I needed the script pain meds 24/7. By the time I made the connection it had something to do with quitting and started smoking again, it helped me stay where I was, but I never did and never will get back to being as healthy as I was before I quit. So not working, not paying into the system, left me open only for SSI help, not the other type of Social Security Disability that you get a portion of your prior income, which is normally much more than I get.

I'll shut up now ... and this was the short version of it all. LOL. I have a blog online where I vent, err .. post at times when I feel the need where I point people who want to know more of all I've been thru in my life. There's so much more than just the medical, it's just easier to keep it all in one place, so I'm starting to write it all out there when I feel up to it and have the time. While money has never mattered to me so long as the bills were paid and food was on the table, I have to really stretch it to get that done these days depending on the SSI and it's benefits (as they call them). But I'm alive, I'm riding my bike again and feeling the wind in my face. That was my dream, my goal, and it feels REAL good when I'm out there flying on my bike on a nice straight side road with no traffic around to hit me. I feel alive again for the first time in many years. Some of you here helped me reach this point, you know who you are. I can never thank you enough for the things each of you did for me. Every time I ride that bike or walk into my front door I think of y'all and thank God for you and your kindness to me. I owe many of you some emails, but when I had my puter crash some months back, I lost everything. If you haven't heard from me in email, that's why, I've lost your address. Send me one and I will get you back in my addy book.

Hi,

My brother is in disab=ilty here in Florida and gets about the same, only...he wont apply for food stamps...

Fortunately he qualified for "subsidized housing" after apllying with some state agency and being approved (took awhile, I can ask him more about this inif you want more info)

At that Income level you should apply for subsidized housing, give it a try, thats what its there for

Also in Florida we have such a thing as Vans that pick you up and bring you to the doctor when your disabled, ask about those too ( I dunno if they have that in your state)

Finally, Im sure you dont need me to tell you this, but find cheap places to get food...Factory OOutlets ( I have a bread place near me that selss stuff for like 10cents each) and also Wal Mart ( I myself get 2 of my prescriptions there for $4 each

Finally, God Bless and keep you and Ill say a prayer for ya!