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The one overarching question I had from first hearing of the "POP" paper till when I finally left WayWorld (about 3 years later) was "What the hell IS wrong?".
We constantly heard how screwed up the BOT was and all the Corps and various and sundry leaders and how "spiritually" we were just all F-ed up, but specifics were damned scarce. All we ever got was a whole lotta vague. We were all "off the WURD" and Geer doubted if we'd ever get right again. BUT WHAT EXACTLY WAS WRONG? We were just supposed to know.
this pretty much was exactly what me and
i guess alot of us other "joe believers"
thought at the time
there's some heavy duty bad things comin' down the pike
we can't tell you any details
but watch out
ok if you say so!
from what i see on these forums
that's one thing that hasn't changed
in twi...ever.
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obviously you havent been to a way fellowship since martindale was kicked out...
so now it's kicked out
when i first found Waydale the line
they were feeding 'em was that he resigned.
how long did it take (among those still in) to replace
"resigned" with the more ignominious KICKED OUT?
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we could call this thread
"get rich quick in the God racket"
ya know it wasn't uncommon for
some limb and territory coordinators to
refer to themselves (jokingly of course)
as "Cult leaders"
even some corp grads who weren't
coordinating much more than a twig
did the same thing
if there's one thing i learned
during my tenure as a "dedicated follower"
(just 'cause i couldn't be a "member")
it's that it's better not to follow anybody
but rather make up your own mind
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i thought these guys got in trouble for doing the internut thing
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about this whole chair stringing nonsense
it seemed that people would go through hours of grief
about this stuff
only to have people move the chairs
to make themselves comfortabe
in the meetings anyway
one time, on a WOW year
i was assisting people who were doing this
and it took them so long to plan and execute
the chair stringing
that i was forced to leave them all to it
due to the fact that i had to get to sleep by midnite
for all the talk of redeeming the time
and what not
when it came to petty crap like this
what a bunch of shizz-nozz
ok all you guys who demanded
or even still demand
that these things be done
if any of you are out there
defend your position
make your case
convince me that GOD almighty
really cares about where
your chair is in some meeting
go ahead
don't be bashful
I know i'm not the only one who
asks this
here's your big chance to put it in writing
go on...set all us
Philistines straight once and for all
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ya know sumpin,
this whole adversary's gonna get you thing
probably would have carried a little more weight
had it been advanced by people who
did NOT wake up an entire WAYCORP class at 3:00 AM
and demand their signitures on a LOYALTY OATH
under pain of immediate expulsion
or
people who were NOT so easily recognizable as
DO as I SAY NOT as I DO types in general
or maybe people who DID NOT immediately
change the subject or worse yet
blow people off outright when one of those
"uncomfortable questions" was asked
you know, one of those soup to nuts things
and a whole lotta other stuff
that hundreds of other folks have related
over the years since
therefore, fretting about the loss of God's protection
just for not being a dedicated TWI follower anymore
seemed like worrying over nothing to me.
however I certainly admire the guts
that some of you guys had
and still have
after sticking with TWI for so long and
then getting kicked out for some
petty reason or another
to pick up and start anew
in a whole new atmosphere
where almost nobody has ever even heard of TWI
and even fewer people
consider them anything more than
a blip on the GODSTUFF radar.
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sorry, loss of eternal rewards is the answer . . . .loss of eternal rewards. All of this life will be forgotten. for the joy set before us, we suffer, or something.
this post reminds me of something said by one of the way leaders
during a teaching one time
whenever IDOLOTRY occurs in christian circles
two symptoms occur
one is that the manifestations of holy spirit are ignored or mis-taught and misused
the other is that the HOPE of Christ's return is replaced with JUDGEMENT
throughout my time in TWI, that second one about the hope being replaced with judgement
kept getting more and more apparent as the years went by
but then see what happens to you if you even suggest that the cause of this legalistic judgement
might be idolotry.
just an idea
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looks like most of the folks here who answered are in the same demographic as me
but why wasn't "followed pretty girl in" one of the choices for how to join?
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of course if vpw was still alive and kickin, the vast majority of the off shoot starters,
and even some of the folks on this post-fest would not DARE to seperate themselves
from twi.
just an observation please don't take it as a personal slight anyone.
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every religion seems to have a story like this so-called "snowy gas pumps story" don't they?
of the people who are under the impression that the whole thing was just a cock and bull story
(which of course can neither be proven nor disproved)
how many folks think Moses made up the burning bush story?
or Joseph Smith made up the Angel Moroni story?
or any of the fantastic things cooked up by L. Ron Hubbard?
i could go on but you get the idea
the point of this is what difference does it make whether people believe the snowy gas pump story or not?
and to answer the question of the thread, given everything that has been discussed about this topic so far,
my leanings are toward the hallucination notion.
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one time, a person asked me if our "people" celebrated Christmas
i said hell we celebrate every day!
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Ah, the campfire! The campfire, the campfire.
How much human history has been set in motion around the campfire? Wars. Love. Schemers. Plotters. Steelworkers. Cooks. Arsonists. People who love smoky wood.., Ah!
Ahhhh, yes. I can remember it now, as if it were yesterday. The summer school class of 1975 at Way HQ, sitting in The Way Woods around a roaring campfire, all eyes fixated upon the flames. Relaxing, relaxing, relaxing, upon our earthen seats. A time when all defenses were down -- a time when, after a busy day of school we would gather and sit (oh, no, S.I.T!) and wait for doctor to arrive upon his golf cart. Then we would sit and listen to him speak from his heart, into hearts that were helpless and open.
Ahhhh, yes. The tender times around campfires...
Makes me want to break out in song, it does!
25 years ago
they spoke out and
they broke out
of recession
and oppression
and together they toked
and they folked out
with guitars
around the BONFIRE
just singin' and clappin'
Man, what the hell happened?
Yes some were spell bound
some were hell bound
some they fell down
and some got back up
and fought back 'gainst the meltdown
and their kids were hippy chicks
all hypocrites
because fashon is smashing the true meaning of it.....
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1) Your similar experiences witnessing.
ok i'm going back to 1984-85 a WOW year for me.
if I witnessed to someone and they were not receptive IT WAS MY FAULT
if I witnessed to someone and they were receptive but didn't come to twig IT WAS MY FAULT
if I witnessed to someone and they were receptive, and came to twig, but didn't take PFAL IT WAS MY FAULT
if I witnessed to someone and they looked a bit too scruffy for SOME PEOPLE's taste, IT WOULD BE MY FAULT if
the so-called scruffy witnessee ever did anything bad to the blessed ministry
or at least this is the kind of thing that seemed to be heaped upon my head the whole time and so
after a short while of this, it seemed that i should just lay low, and gut out the whole rest of the year
I know, shame on ME
2) Your now current view as to what you expect to see & who you now hold forth GOD''s Word to out of nothing more or less than God's love.
these days... when people i hang with bring up God stuff, i usually listen more than i talk, that way, I learn more
and I stay out of trouble
the thing about "holding forth God's word" (meaning witnessing on behalf of some church group or another) is, people can instinctively (and instantly) tell when whatever someone else says to them comes from some narrow or one-dimensional viewpoint and naturally, they're turned off by it.
it has been said "before you give an opinion on a subject, make sure the person you're giving it to wants it"
if this adage doesn't apply to witnessing I don't know what does.
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"the ministry is a nut magnet" (thus saith the LORD)
seriously though
i feel ya here
I lost track of how many times i Spoke the Word (or such as i knew)
to some poor soul, down on his luck, most of whom were the most
receptive to what TWI had to offer, only to be sharply rebuked by
some high bottom co-ordinator or another for my too much focusing on
what one of those co-ordinators called "lower life".
oh well life goes on
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Since this man was even referred to as "The Word in the Flesh" ...
wowee you mean Jesus Himself ran the thing?
but seriously though
all the stuff on the list would be nice for any organization or fellowship (if you'll pardon the expression)
throw in something about hanging on to your (ahem) "green stuff" ***
rather than advising the faithful to "dig deep" all the time
***as we collect our love offering, please be aware of the fact that Pastor Creditfo' A. Dollar is allergic to the sound of silver! <--- just a joke!
ooooooooooooh ohhhhhhhhhhh
I forgot
How about NOT doing things that need to be covered up in the foist place?
aha? aha?
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There's nothing GSers like better than a long, ugly TWI tale...
Gasp! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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"God will open the windows of heaven the moment you lay your tithe at 'the apostle's feet'."
translation= God will open up the windows of heaven the moment your check clears
nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk
only kidding
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i'm surprised no one has yet replied to this post
that renewed mind is (at least to some) the same as the washed brain
yuk yuk just foolin
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i understand that newlife
it's as though all the youthful enthusiasm got used up by twi or something
upon going bye-bye from twi it sure woulda been nice to get a
refund of all that enthusiasm.
i'd even take that over the abs money!
oh well life goes on anyway
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so many tales of conniving confidence artistry.
I should talk. for all i know there's posters and lurkers here who only remember me, if at all, as one of those halfway-house assholes who was never COMMITTED enough to do God stuff.
be that as it may, one thing is certain, people learn alot more from example than they do from precept.
I couldn't begin to list all the run-ins I had with some people who had this whole superiority/holier-than-thou/
healthier-than-thou kinda trip going on.
one example comes to mind of this one person who was really into physical fitness and thought I should be too
(talk about a lost cause)
one day he decided to join the local ymca, and use their gym stuff. ok good for him.
couple of months later he gets a job at a local fancy gymnasium, as a trainer.
at this point he now takes on the role of salesman for the fancy gym, trying to extoll the virtues of physical fitness to everybody he comes in contact with, including me.
of course, now (circumstances having changed) at this juncture, the $10 per month ymca gym membership
ain't good enough anymore. NOW it's best to join the gym he works at for several hundred ducks for 6 months or so.
anyway the point of this is that the deeper someone got into TWI, the more of a conniving confidence arteest
they seemed to become.
i relate this story, not to disparage the fitness guy, but to illustrate the kind of thing that otherwise good people would resort to when trying to get along in Wayworld.
I'm certain, that had I been placed in a similar curcumstance, I would be no less of a conniver
the great thing about no longer being in an organization like TWI, we don't have to put up with that kind of sheesh-ka-bob anymore, from either direction.
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comeback I HATE that word!!!
it's RETURN!!!
(now i need a picture of rosalie rivenbark in full make up yuk yuk!!)
sorry if reference is lost on some of the younger crowd!!!
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1983 the year i joined
couldn't have been any happier at the time
whole family thought i was loopy but other than that a pretty good time
missed out on sound out 84
kicked myself for years after about it
but went to advanced pfal class in summer of 1984
remember motorcycle club coming through to visit
right after advanced class rock of ages 84
then wow year
thought i was going to die <--figure of speech
anyway interesting story about wow year. got sent out with 3 other people
2 boys 2 girls typical wow situation
for myself going wow was my ticket out of living
with my parents for the next 15 years
like my younger brother ended up doing
(which ended up being a smart move for him after all
because today he's a college grad and fairly well off
and i'm posting on computer forums about the old days)
so i loved the getting away from home part
big time as we used to say
however my wow brother he had kind of a hard time
getting along with our two wow sisters
right off the bat there was talk of sending him off the wow field
which i thought was not the right thing to do
because after all he didn't do any of the three
"unforgivable" sins of the wow field
namely violence, abuse of drugs, or an homosexual act.
really the only thing that seemed to be wrong with him was
that he wasn't getting along with the two girls
me he didn't bother and anyway any small differences
should fall away by virtue of the fact that we were
all in the same boat and we were supposed to be a team
right? apparently not.
so anyway not one month into the year we get a visit from
the limb staffer who's charged with coordinating all the
wow families in our state who immediately recommended
that my wow brother be kicked off the field due to
devil spirit possession.
i tried to stick up for him by saying look maybe there is
some problems but he has alot of potential
but this limb staff individual wouldn't hear of it saying to me
in no uncertain terms, "so what? what good is potential
if the guy doesn't live up to it?"
making like i was talking out of turn
i knew at that point i better shut up and not say
"so is God so weak that he can't help out my wow
brother on the field as He has done for so many others
who came before us?"
next thing you know they'd be kicking me off the wow field
and that is something which at the time would have meant
defeat, failure, shame!
little did i know that all of those things would haunt me for the
remainder of the wow year anyway because of so many
compromises that i felt had to be made in the interest of
nothing more than staying on the wow field
and why did i do this you may ask? what drove me to such
a pathetic state of mind where staying on the wow field
meant more to me than standing up for a principle
regardless of what happened?
well the answer is simple i did it all to impress some girl
shame on me!
now i have a blue wow pin and the girl married some
other guy anyway
so remember stand up for the right
because everything you're afraid of will happen anyway
if you don't!
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sheesh!
ya know dr weirwille was the only person i ever heard of to define
apostle as one who brings new light to his generation and added
it may be old light but it is new to the generation to which he brings
it.
everybody else seems to say an apostle is someone who is sent by
God to do something
but anyway whenever dr w. did a teaching and the subject came up
he always called himself the teacher and he was always saying how
he didn't want to put himself up on the same level as Paul or Peter
in the bible (at least publicly anyway)
but notice how his unquestioned definition kind of forced us followers
to see him as an actual apostle
pretty slick huh?
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i like and appreciate your posts too
one of the reasons i read posts on this and other sites
is to learn about whatever became of people i remember from TWI days
it used to be said of LCM that he could be heading up a fortune 500 company
if he wasn't the Prez of TWI
from what you said so far it doesn't exactly sound like he'll be washing his feet in the blood of the wicked anytime soon
oh well!
Placements everyone!
in About The Way
Posted · Edited by ljn698
ain't he the one who says TWI doesn't hold back anything
from their followers,but rather gives them all a "soup-to-nuts"
accounting of everything that goes on
or am i nuts to fall for that ol' soup?
o well