ljn698

Yeah!

Yeah! what Belle said

Well, Freud, as you can probably surmise by now, alot of the people in TWI

pretty much got the mushroom treatment whenever we dared to ask an honest

or innocent question about leadership folks

sometimes it is better to not know things i admit and understand that

but notice how at least 3 people (so far) have observed that even though

they were faithful followers of TWI, that as far as Craig's marital status was

concerned, that information was a closely guarded secret

now in the real world such secrecy would be considered inane, foolish, stupid

but, see, when you were a follower of TWI you always knew of at least one couple

who got divorced and the spouse who was faithful to TWI was always considered

"the injured party" by the group (regardless of the true circumstances) and the

spouse who you never saw or heard from again was always considered BY THE GROUP

(please note i'm not talking about in reality here)

to be, well it could be anything from "swayed by the cares of this world" all the way to

full blown "possessed by the devil"

and I'm sure the current TWI leadership probably doesn't feel too comfortable

having to answer anybody's questions about a guy who they formerly

(and not so long ago) hailed as "THE man of God for our day and time"

you know something, no matter what purpose freud and jung have for posting

this information, i think what i just posted will answer at least one of their questions.

self-seeking false ministers of tradition, eh?

good job some of us learned to steer clear of guys like that!

how about this?

since SO many people have been kicked out over the years

wouldn't it save time to make a list of people who ARE allowed in?

wa-Wa-wa-Wa-wa!

not to change the subject by getting back to the original topic of this post or anything but....

does anybody remember a site called trancechat?

i do and sometimes i wish that more of these message boards had rules like they did

i mean you know whenever you register to post somewhere these days,

they give you a whole litany of rules and regs... mostly "things you are not allowed to say"

Oh for the carefree and happy days of when the rules for posting was

"There AIN'T no rules"

and furthermore

if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen

freedom of speech (expression) you either got it or you don't

ok ok

maybe not every time to everybody

after all nothing is absolute is it?

but it happened to me enough

ya know sometimes i wonder if some of the folks in TWI even realize what freedom of speech means

naturally, they all say they're thankful for freedom of speech

so they can speak the word, witness to people etc.

but dare to ask the wrong person within the group the wrong question or make the wrong comment at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances and all of a sudden it's pariah city for you

and the sad thing is most of the time these "wrong" questions and comments aren't wrong at all

merely innocent queries about things that happen or ideas which are prevailent or statements made

but God help the poor devil who dares to question authority

one time i scared a left leaning individual away from his or her own post over on the political forum

just for asking a question he or she didn't have an answer for

every time someone tried that in TWI, however, THEY kicked you (the questioner) out

and then to add insult to injury they gave you the old "Maude" line "God'll get you for that"

only they would substitute the adversary for God

this is a good thread

it made me think of how things turned out for cutie face and me

we were both in TWI until about 1989 or so

this was about the time the "loyalty oath" was demanded from all of the corps people

and as i said on this board before either they taught us too good

or we learned too good

that such a thing was contrary to The WORD

you know we ought to obey GOD rather than men

paul planted, apollos watered, but GOD gave the increase

and all that stuff

so really just about everybody who lives around here (with a few exceptions)

pretty much had the $h!t$ of TWI after that

so what do they all do?

the top guns all got together and started their own thing which was connected to the

(i guess you could say spin-off or offshoot no offense)

new ministry started by Chris Geer

i know i know some of you guys are thinking

jeez out of the frying pan and into the fire

but that's pretty much the way it went

after that, of course, mentions of TWI, and LCM and anything or anyone connected

therewith were pretty scarce

this is where the dissonance or wrong feeling stuff comes in

so we were going along with the gang around here for a few years or so

but more and more we saw people going bye bye

with no explaination at all

now for the most part neither one of us is the type to go asking about

bad blood or why a certain person is no longer seen or spoken of

most of the time we both figure skrew it let God sort it out

but naturally there were some people who were extremely popular in our set

who we hadn't seen or heard from for a while who we both knew really well

and one time we asked a few of their (at one time) closest buddies

about maybe getting in touch with them and GOOD GRAVY you would have thought

we were asking about atomic weaponry strategy or something

as you can well imagine this was one of those "take the questioner aside" questions

and as some of you folks here are all too painfully aware when you get

"taken aside" for the answer to a question 99.999% of the time you DON'T

get any kind of specific answer to your question!

well anyway our old friends live just a bit too far away for us to go visiting

so as usual we just gotta say skrew it, let GOD sort it out

GOD bless you if you read this whole pest, uh i mean post!

what the hell, GOD bless you even if you didn't!!

so talking heads and violent femmes were bad but kenny g was "approved"?

gawd i knew people like this too

seems to me there were alot of folks who had their hang ups with music

any reproof about happy fun music of any stripe is silly!!

really awkward time

at least it was for me

iwas on the wow year at the time

living with, among others, someone who had known the man personally

this individual was completely inconsolable about his death

and really seemed to resent those of us

who weren't just as broken up over it

i mean, yes it's always sad when someone dies

but since some people in the ministry

never got to meet the man personally

naturally we're not all going to react just the same about it

but then what the fudge do i know

for those of us interested in numbers

it would be interesting to see how they all went bye bye

at one point while i was in 1984 or so they claimed to have 100,000

pfal class grads

of those maybe 1/2 or 50,000 were still involved at one level or another

then in 1985 dr w. falls asleep (sorry twi brain haters i still think that's a nice way to say croaks)

this event may or may not have affected the standing numbers significantly

i was of the opinion that life for almost everybody would go on pretty much as it did before

by that i mean yes dr w will be missed but God is still on the throne and

His word is still the same and Jesus the risen Christ is still savior of mankind

so that was mid-1985

then late-1985-early-1986 rolls around and you start to hear things like

"we better pray for our BOT and the ministry, etc. etc."

"why?" asks the seeker.

"oh, it's not really the kind of thing that should be talked about,

lock box, cover with silence, don't tell all you know (my favorite!),

best not to say things like this in the senses realm so the devil can use it against us"

ok ok so we don't say nuttin' to the non-way corps followers about

JOHN SCHOENHEIT'S ADULTERY AND FORNICATION RESEARCH PAPER

got it got it mum's da word!

a few people go bye bye after that fiasco cutting the total of standing grads to maybe 25,000 to 30,000 or so

also in 1986 the passing of the patriarch gets read

here i think all this did was lay some guilt trip on the BOT (and other people who were involved at a level way above going to twig and things)

i mean put yourself in their shoes

you follow a man's ministry for a good chunk of your life

(hell in Don W's case, your whole life)

you think you're doing good

then virtually right after the ministry's founder dies

you get blamed by someone for killing him!

it's enough to bum out anyone!

more people gonzo!

so its 1987-1988 and out of our original estimated 50,000 standing followers we've got about 20,000 left

hmm let's see now

how can we kick some more out the door?

1989 big rift between the BOT and the author of POP

uh oh now it's stand with me (in writing) or see ya!

thousands more vote with their feet (this is the group i was in, sort of)

ok now we're down to 5,000 to 8,000 standing grads

what next?

1989 through 1994

let's start taking complete control of people's lives!

well, what if someone complains?

no sweat! we just malign their character and classify them as people who should be Marked and avoided!

pretty good policy for making people disappear

but not quite as good as

1995's

The Great Homosexual Purge

sorry folks

we gotta cancel the rock of ages

too many people having sex

(and not letting ME in on it)

but hey don't blame me

you gotta blame the Homo's

the ministry's crawlin' with 'em!!!

never mind how it happened, it just did

so from now on forget about spiritual deliverance

or helping someone to escape from homosexuality

we just gotta get rid of 'em!

and their family

and their friends

and anyone who says that some gay people aren't so bad

ok boss! we're with ya! we'll smoke'em outta here

just one thing, how can we tell if a person is one of THEM?

that's easy! just use your GENUINE SPIRITUAL SUSPICION

oh you mean GAY-DAR!! got it!!

both the M&A and Homo purge programs are working wonders

for erasing people from the mailing list

if only things could go a little faster

late 1990's

enter The INTERNUT!

trancechat then Waydale and now Greasespot Cafe

tipping people off about TWI now

before even some of the people who are in TWI know

so the Lawsuits,

the Martindale resignation,

the exodus of other prominent leaders,

and other curious happenings

can not be swept under the rug as easily as they once were

so maybe this is why over 95% of the people who would have admittedly taken a bullet for either dr.w or lcm or both now completly MARK & AVOID anything having to with TWI

if i could only make my creditors disappear that fast!!!

from om

But, I do admit that I abstain from the suspicions, backbiting, bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, evil speaking, malice, unrelenting finger-pointing condemnations, and so forth.

boy are you on the wrong website!!!

going wow

it was my ticket out of the house

if i hadn't moved away i might have ended up like my brother who lived at home until he was in his 30's

i thought the life experience would be good for me

so i get sent to a new state with 2 homesick girls

and a guy who has trouble getting along with other folks

one month in, my wow brother is getting kicked off the field

leadership claims he's possessed by devil spirits

and needs to have deliverance

note here he did not do drugs, did not engage in any violent or homosexual acts which were the only circumstances (or so we were told in the wow training) under which someone would be asked to resign from their wow year (or kicked out if i may be so bold)

really the deal was nobody got along with the guy

now not wanting to get kicked off the wow field myself

i ended up spending the other 11 months

going along to get along

so many times i should have fought back, spoken up, or asked the hard questions i thought no forget it all that will happen is the same thing that happened to my wow brother

(the one time i tried to discuss some concerns with the leadership i had it cast right back in my teeth)

so i wasted the whole year compromising everything

and did i hate myself for it

they all said you get 10 years worth of growth

all my year did though is age me 10 years!!!

i think i got one hell of a lesson though in being a passive/agressive son-of-a bitch!!!

and all this because i was afraid of what some stupid girl would have thought of me had i been kicked off the wow year early

i stayed the whole year but good gravy

here's what i learned: if you vow a vow to God, make sure it's for the right reasons not to impress some girl or anything like that and if you find yourself in a situation where the commitment you made to one thing is turning into a commitment to something wrong, then get the fudge out of it. don't stick around or else you'll end up kicking yourself over all the wasted time later on. just like me!

i would have given more ABS

but i couldn't stomach it!!!

get it? ABS-stomach

nyuk nyuk nyuk nyuk!!!

now i'm not one to criticise or condemn a fellow poster

but oldiesman you sure seem to have gotten the "'shroom treatment" while you were fellowshipping with TWI

but then again maybe this is not such a bad thing

sometimes i wish i was kept in the dark about some stuff

all this resentment can't be good for me!!!

once again

Two words

pretty girls!

or in keeping with the syntax of the post

girls which are pretty to the eyes!!!

death of a loved one was always an awkward time in TWI world

it seems if you acted sad then the deal was you were "out of fellowship" and you should snap out of it or else you're no good

but then if you didn't act sad enough then you were an uncaring lout and therefore no good

i think i learned the rule of thumb for grieving the loss of a loved one while on the WOW year. (1984-1985)

it all depends on WHO dies as to how sad you're allowed to be

don't refuse grace-- it's a sin!! (DIG IT!)

jee zis

uh are you sure this is an appropriate topic

yuk yuk

theres a website by some guy in KS called

i kid you not

"God Hates Fags"

now i don't condone such things at all

so please no homo-phobe accusations

but maybe TWI stole all their anti-gay stuff from that guy

there were even a few red flags before that

wasn't the deal that your loyalty should be to God and His word?

from day one wasn't the teaching don't trust in man, they will let you down sooner or later but always trust in God and His word

ok ok let's say that's the deal

so then in circa 1989 or so they demanded everybody's signature on some loyalty oath

this after being told not to be loyal to anyone but God

most of the people we knew split right then and there

but i know there are other red flags even before that

so what did they say about 50-80 percent of the followers disappearing virtually overnight?

they must've all been posessed by the devil spirits

good gravy!

we're not too sure how a microwave oven works

so they must be the work of

oh i don't know

could it be

SATAN!!!!

anyway how's that fortune 500 company chairmanship working out?

quote:

Gambling and the lottery are also bribery.

they are huh?

if some lucky stiff in TWI ever hit powerball

of course the Infernal revenue service would be the first one knockin on his door

guess who'd be right behind them?

i remember when AOS came out

saying to people if LCM is so concerned about satan ripping off the small AOS dance production for a movie

then why give satan an even bigger production to rip off?

should've seen the dirty looks i got for that one!!!

uh oh now you've done it!!

jeez i'm glad me and mrs. me got away from going to their meetings when we did

if anyone ever suggested to me that the word is over the world already

first order of bidness i'm hanging on to my 10% off the top that's supposed to be going toward moving the word over the world!

next item: going witnessing house to house.

why the fudge should i?

go to every meeting regardless of how inconvenient? see no. 2 and besides it's not like the word is going away anytime (or is it?)

you get the idea

isn't that the same thing they said about the Schoenheit adultery paper?