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I agree with you MStar, and find that the current run of 'retro' parks are beginning to have a 'sameness ' about them, (tho not the horrid sameness of the astro turfed bowls of the 70's)

My only contention is that the re furbished Yankee Stadium was not well conceived at the time, and I was disappointed from the first day it opened. I'm not really in favor of a new stadium tho, as it's still basically the same place.

In the old days, the 3 main monuments were in center field , in the field of play, and there was nothing like watching a 450 ft blast land back at the monuments and Mickey mantle chasing a ball behind them.

Given the Mick's usual luck, I'm surprised he never ran into them chasing down a fly, tho field heroics were not mantle's stock in trade, and I'm sure he knew when he was dangerously near.

As far as preserving stadiums, I've come to love Dodger Stadium for it's ambience, history, and pure ballpark enjoyment, but the new owner has done everything possible to ruin the place short of tearing it down. You can't escape the ads no matter where you look, and the team is a joke.

Yet the Dodgers draw almost 50 thousand a game-my thinking is that they could throw cub scouts on the field and they would still draw as well, simply because the Dodger Stadium experience is intoxicating. It's not the best park in baseball, but it's habit forming.

I agree that there is something about Yankee Stadium, but really, alot of that 'something' was lost when the joint was renovated in the 70's. The biggest loss being the distinctive frieze that ran around the roof, and is now a concrete 'reminder' in center field. One can only hope the new park corrects that error.

Still it is Yankee Stadium, and the shadows of the Babe, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, are still there. In a way, that's the Yankees greatest 'curse', forever having to contend with their own ghosts.

To quite possibly be replaced by golf.

Dropping baseball is bad enough, but dropping softball is especially tragic, as it provides a goal and venue for many women athletes who receive little enough exposure as is.

Point being, that it's refreshing to actually read and learning something for once.

I quit mentally going 'that's off the Word',over 10 years ago

Looks like I've 'derailed' the board. This isn't the first time I've managed to do that.

I was going to talk about the passing of Paul Winchell, but maybe it's best to refer anyone interested to this website.

http://www.povonline.com

click on 'NEWS from me'

This is Mark Evanier's website. Mark is a longtime TV writer producer, comic book writer, and a font of information on alot of stuff that we talk about here. The paul Winchell information is a good place to start, but don't be surprised if you find yourself caught up with the other features there.

By that logic Raf, almost every team in baseball should have changed their name , since almost every team has built new stadiums.

Are there any Giants on the Giants? Any tigers on the Tigers? Any mariners on the Mariners?

Any padres ob the Padres? Any Indians on the Indians? Any pirates on the Pirates? Any twins on the Twins? Rangers on the Rangers? Brewers on the Brewers?

For that matter, how many athletes that play on any team ,in any city come from that city?

An interesting concept would be for all teams to draft and play only citizens of their own area. That would be intersting.

Thanks for clearing the names up. I should keep a copy handy, as I'm sure I'll forget again.

I didn't think the girl in the pics was Lori Saunders. I remember Lori Saunders as 'perkier' for want of a better term.

I must add tho, that the Hooterville of Green Acres was as crazy a place as one will find. Somehow it was more civilized on Petticoat Junction.

Maybe the good citizens weren't so concerned with driving the 'Jo' girls crazy, as they were with Oliver Wendell Douglas.

And just who was Betty Joe ? I never knew who was who ,which shows how much I watched it, I guess. Seems like every time I turned it on , all I saw was Uncle Joe at Sam Drucker's store, or Linda Kaye Henning with Steve, her boring husband.

I did like the cute brunette one best tho-whoever she is. Meredith Macrae seemed too mature for her role.

I did not like it when they implied that Hooterville was near where the Clampett's came from. They had a running storyline where jethro was perceived as a suave Hollywood playboy type, and he had some half baked romance with one of the girls-I don't recall which one, but I think it was the cute brunette.

The early Hillbillies episodes were great and manic, with Bea Benederet playing Cousin Pearl, before she morphed into Kate Bradley, and Max Bear in drag as Jethrine, Pearl's daughter. The Hooterville of Petticoat Junction was too normal compared to Bugtussle.

You're right Pirate, and I make no claims for knowing much about that show. It just wasn't as funny as the other Paul Henning shows to me.

It also didn't help that the great Bea Benederet passed away during the shows run, and replaced by June Lockhart, of all people.

There was one cast change among the girls, with Meredith MaCrae taking the place of the original blonde, who's name I can't recall at the moment. Gunilla or something-too lazy to do a google search.

Linda Kaye Henning was the daughter of Paul Henning, the creator, head writer, and big cheese of this show, Beverly Hillbillies, and Green Acres.

On an off topic note. I am very sad to hear of the passing of Paul Winchell, who we were just talking about inhere a few weeks ago.

He was one of the good ones.

That music still chokes me up.

The big Disney connection that I know of is that Johnny Crawford palled around with kids named Cubby and Annette.

There were 2 other noteworthy kid actor's from the early 60's that started with that same group-but maybe I'll wait for the Rifleman thread to run its course first.

"Pawwww'- just had to throw that in.

Chuck Conners was with the Dodgers.

Sylvester T. Superman-and the lemon meringue pie to the North Pole-ha thanks for reminding me.

The Rifleman was a show that really got to me. Even tho Lucas McCain was unbeatable, he and his son Mark, (Johnny Crawford-who I recently saw at some function, and became a professinal musician) always seemed to be vulnerable to nast renegades, the struggle to survive on the ranch, and protecting the old sherrif Micah.

Maybe it was the emotional music that dominated every episode that made the difference. They knew how to milk a situation with those repeated themes. The tension theme, the 'home on the ranch' theme, the Rifleman theme, and (sniff) the Lucas and Mark hugging at the end theme.

Oh yeah, Steve. Though he did play other characters at times in Disney features, he was usually 'Moochie'-turning up in the most unlikely places, wearing that baseball cap with the turned up brim. And just where did they come up with the name 'Moochie' anyway?

There's something creepy about Moochie. He's like a Twilight Zone character, this annoying, cloying Disney embodiment of the All American cute little kid, showing up wherever you go. You can't escape Moochie.

well, Kathy looks too lonely sitting there, so I'll spill the beans.

'Angels in the Outfield'.

'Old Yeller' was cursed with Kevin Corcoran, alright. Otherwise it's a pretty good Disney tear jerker.

Not as good as my all time favorite Disney live action film from the 50's. I really need to take lessons from Sudo on how to post pics, cause I'd love to throw one up right now.

Just saw it again the other week, and faith and begorrah, it still holds up.

That's Donna Corcoran, sister of Noreen, sister of 'Moochie'. The movie in question can be solved by Sharon's visual clue.

Who knew that the Corcoran family ruled the 50's, he said sarcastically.

That show also starred Noreen Corcoran, who was the sister of Kevin (Moochie) Corcoran.

Moochie was an insufferable kid who was ominpresent in Disney TV shows in the late 50's. He was the 'cute' little kid in "Spin and Marty', and had his own series called 'Moochie and the Little League', both shown on the Mickey Mouse Club. He seemed to pop up in other places for a time before growing out of the role and popping back down.

I did think that Noreen was 'hotter' , in a 50's kind of puritan way, than her comtemporary ,"Princess', over on 'Father Knows Best'.

I have Nick at Night and am also old !

But I again have to say that age is not the relevant criteria here. 'Before my time' is not a legitimate 'excuse' not to know or find out, an answer.

Otherwise there's alot of 70 something people here, based on all the 'Casablanca' fans.

Got that in 1 note, Bluzeman. As for clues-hmmm there is a Charlies Angels connection. And the program also starred the sister of Moochie-if that's any help.

Part of the 'appeal' was certainly feeling like you had 'secret 'information. The way thrived on tickling us with these sensational ideas.

Incredibly, that was part of the draw when I considered going into the way corps. That's where you'd REALLY find out what's going on. If you were just a 'regular' believer, you couldn't 'handle' the deeper truths. I recall often being told I 'didn't need to know', when I tried to find out what they were talking about, especially around '76 when the way 'saved' the country from the illumanati, communist takeover, and one world government.

There was always that air of 'we know more than you, due to our deeper spirituality, and greater committment.

It was part of the carrot dangled before us to desire to take the next step in 'service'.

if the implication that the holocaust was a lie, then we certainly wanted to know the truth.

It was one reason why the way appealed to the impressionable young. I can't imagine any mature person working and raising a family buying into it.

I find it disturbing that anyone would even get involved in another's life and marriage, passing judgement or 'evaluating' the relationship.

With my closest friends, the personal relationships they have with thie partners is their business and noone elses.

But of course we're talking about the way and the remnants of way think, which involved doing nothing but sticking ones nose into matters that are none of their business.

There certainly seems to be those here at greasespot who are still thumping their own particular views about life, marriage, politics ,in an 'in your face' way type

manner.

It's sad that catcup felt the need to 'defend' her life and marriage, but maybe it will serve as a good reminder for us to mind our own beeswax.

The most liberating aspect of being free from the way for me is not feeling like someone is looking over my shoulder, and evaluating every move I make. I could give a rat's a## what anyone thinks of my decisions,and I've only been able to accomplish goals and find peace since coming to this place.

I'm sure there's a logic to Raf's suggestion. Now I'm curious what it is. Are New Yorkers not 'yankees'? I grew up in Connecticut and we were certainly 'yankees' there.

But while we're at it, the Dodgers should have changed names when they left Brooklyn. The Red Sox don't wear red socks. The Indians and Braves have image problems by name alone, and just add to them with the grinning Indian, and the tomahawk chop. The Houston Astros are no longer in the astrodome.The Angels aren't in Los Angeles, but say they are, which bothers many, but didn't seem to be an issue when the Los Angeles Rams played in Anaheim.