GoldStar

I understand Rocky, I am actually very skeptical myself

Of course sometimes something seems to make a lot of sense at first glance, so I like to put it out there to see what someone else might see that didn't catch my attention

In this case both you and HAPe4me were more skeptical than I, and HAP offered the window reflection suggestion that I hadn't though of, only because the head that popls up seems to be clearly from behind the shuttle, which would make the shuttle a model (or the guy one of the giants from Genesis)

But like I said, there are many other evidences that seem to make sense, here's just one other of the many videos that makes sense to me, I like to hear any suggestions that point to a different conclusions than the ones reached by the authors of the video:

37 minutes ago, HAPe4me said:

reflection in the glass of the astronaut inside. duh

good point, but I don't think it is a reflection on the window, because if it was a reflection, we would probacly be able to see the man's body in the reflection under his head, but it doesn't show, also, it clearly looks like he is behind something black that is behind the shuttle

Also, at 2:40 you can see the faces of both guys in the rear near the windows that open to the shuttle bay

The guy on the left (identified on the audioū as Dick) is wearing glasses with very light colored or clear frames, the guy on the right is not wearing glasses

The guy that pops up on the right side of shuttle is not wearing glasses

But hard to tell exactly where the camera is, and whether the camera is inside shuttle or outside the shuttle

It's a hard call

If there's a way to find out where the camera is located, if it is outside, then of course it could not be a reflection on the window

Either way, like I said to Rocky, this is only just one piece of evidence, difficult to analyze, but there are many other pieces of evidence that point to space fakery, I'll post another video that makes very good points for those interested

Thanks Rocky, I appreciate it

I just want to have civil conversations here with you and everyone else as much as possible

Re:  the video, did you get a chance to see it

At the 3:27 point you can see the guy's head pop up on the right side of the "shuttle," which once you see his head, it looks like he accidentally popped up while they were filming and it makes the "shuttle" look like a small model maybe 5 feet long, which would make it fake and the "satellite" that is being "launched" also fake

Then at the 4:10 point, you can see the shuttle but the "earth" in the background is dim, and then it looks like they turned on a studio light, and suddenly, the whole "earth" in the background suddenly lites up, looks fake as heck to me

What do you think?

Have you seen any of the many other videos about fake NASA space videos, like the ones where it is very clear they are using Hollywood-type harnesses to simulate weightlessness?

By the way, when I say evidence, I don't mean proof

To me it's just one piece of evidence, but with all the many other evidences, to me it points towards a proof

Benny Hinn's Nephew's Book Spills the Beans

Benny Hinn Spills His Confession:

Benny & Wife Spill the Spirits:

Does all this remind y'all of anything?  It's Deja Vu all over again...

It's what The Way could have been, if only it had grown bigger 

Seeing DF mentioned earlier in this thread brought back a memory

I happened to be at a restaurant once that had a drive-thru window, and DF just happened to be driving the car that was right at the drive-thru window when I was standing nearby

DF asked the man taking his order at the drive-thru window for a glass of water, and the man told him that the restaurant charged 10 cents, and DF began yelling very loudly and obnoxiously "10 cents for water?"

I watched as the man at the drive-thru patiently explained that the water was given free as a courtesy, but the 10 cents was charged to cover the restaurant's cost for the plastic cup.

I don't remember what DF replied, but he floored it and drove off very aggressively and very angry in a huff and a puff!

Later I heard from reliable sources that he did not have money and had been asking people for money for food, but that he was using the money for spirits

So storing up all the money at HQ and not providing for people on the field probably also contributed problems for the futures of people on the field, in a way that was not anticipated by people on the field, who may have started out with the best of intentions

I had other interactions with DF over a few years, some negative, some positive, and some positively creepy

I may share more of them later

Among the many other video evidences of NASA's own videos using blue & green screens & Hollywood wire harnesses to simulate 'actornauts' in space 'weightlessness'...

This old NASA video on the 66-member countries International Astronautical Federation channel shows a man's head popping up in outer space outside of the space shuttle ( which is obviously a small model ) "launching a satellite into space", oops!

To paraphrase Carl Sagan, "Billions and Billions" of dollars to NASA fraudently siphoned off to secret projects, and they couldn't even catch this man's head accidentally popping up into the video, because they're too busy focusing on producing the fraud to notice their own mistakes

Watch closely at 3:27 to see the man's head popping up in "outer space" to the right of the "space shuttle", and then again at 4:10 when the studio light is turned on and illuminates the entire "planet earth", lol, watch:

The Way of Hillsong...Founders Raking in Millions od Dollars.... Remind you of anyone...?

Different organization.....same game....they misunderstood when Jesus said "Feed my sheep", they thought he said "Fleece my sheep"....  

Hillsong's version of Athletes of the Spirit Production - Featuring - The Naked Cowboy - SpongeBob - Minions - Elvis & More !

Hillsong Women's Conference - New York City

You can see Elvis & Jesus dressed as Statue of Liberty here:

Probably where The Way was headed lol... 

Pressed Down, Shaken Together, Running Over would have taken on a completely different meaning... 

I heard Loy Boy dressed up as Gene from Kiss once, a sight to see I'm sure 

Elvis has left the building, and Hillsong has lost its way....and its mind....

( maybe they should call it hellsong)...

I came across this very interesting article

It is the best research I have ever read on the Sabbath

I wanted to share it for those who are interested in the Sabbath

If what the research points to is correct, it's surprising conclusion may finally answer what the Sabbath truly is, and it is not a particular day of the week

It is a long article but well worth reading:

https://www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/fake-news-saturday-is-sabbath.html

4 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

I would argue belief is a major influence, directly and indirectly, on our attitudes and therefore behavior.  

Bolshevik, I agree 1000%, spiritual beliefs affect physical actions

It is axiomatic

2 hours ago, chockfull said:

In my experience the trinity is not really discussed, taught, or really dwelt on at all in churches today

That is very true Chockfull, they don't do it in the open, just like the predator pedophile priests do not do their dirty deeds out in the open.

The Trinity is programmed into the churchgoers minds subconsciously by repeatedly reminding them that 'Jesus is God', and 'Holy Mary, Mother of God' and other such pagan beliefs that have been surreptitiously been brought into churchianity.

What they are not told directly, about the Trinity, the subconscious mind figures it out.

Just like if you look outside and you see your neighbor's car in their driveway, and you have seen them drive threir car into their driveway many times over the years, even though you didn't see them drive in today, just by seeing their car, your subconscious mind will automatically think that they must have driven it into the driveway.

1 hour ago, TLC said:

I see the resurrection as... well, perhaps for lack of any better description... a new concept.  A "One-of-a-kind," first ever... birth.  In that very day, the coming forth of the new and "only begotten Son of God" (see Acts13:33.)  The last Adam has passed; the "second man" arrived.

Nothing before or since is comparable to it.  

TLC, I completely agree

1 minute ago, chockfull said:

Case in point, recently I was entering my movie meeting my spouse who was engaged in conversation and did not recognize me for several minutes after I walked up.  I was able to not only act like Jesus, but make faces at the fellow conversant while planting small objects in my spouse's hair

Couldn't that have been simply because it was dark in the theater, Chockfull?

Or were you wearing a rubber Mission Impossible type mask over your face, which in a dark theater would make it every harder to recognize you?  

I hope the small objects you planted in your spouses hair was not any expensive movie theater candy

#PleaseDon'tWasteExpensiveMovieTheaterCandyByPuttingItInYourSpouse'sHairMovement

18 minutes ago, chockfull said:

 

- I do personally feel from the majority of Christians....are not staunch Trinitarians prepared with pamphlets and theological arguments, but do practically and doctrinally gloss over the concept of the trinity in their faith.

> I agree with you there, Chockfull!  Most couldn't even explain what they believe if their eternal life depended on it...which it does according to Matt 7

- The Buffy came out of your "stake in the heart of the Trinity" statement though.  Didn't mean to offend though.

> No offense taken, Chockfull, I like to use humor too, but when it or beliefs get too Alice-in-Wonderlandy, it gets very confusing and obfuscates the important things

- I was looking at Mark 9 didn't find that - but I looked around and I think Mark 16 the resurrection accounts summary there is what you are talking about.

> Yes you are right, it was Mark 16, I corrected it in my post

- it does not say whether or not nail scars in the hands and feet are present.  So can you really say "in another form" means something scientifically and precisely?  And what would that be?

> Well the two that he talked to in Luke 24:39 knew him, but they didn't recognize him when he was talking to them face to face so maybe he was able to change his eye color, facial structure, who knows?

> Apparently he was able to make himself look like any other ordinary man, because they did  not react in any way that would indicated that the form he appeared to them in was anything out of the ordinary, they just kept talking to him in a normal conversation  (have you ever seen the Mission Impossible movies where they change their appearance so they won't be recognized?)

- The time for impregnated bunnies and cards and chocolate?

> Oh yes! It's time for the false church Easter egg hunts once again where the little children learn the name a pagan goddess while a Alice-in-Wonderland's Rabbit runs around gaily with a basket full of multi-colored chicken eggs (scrambled brains)

> I really think he's a basket case, your honor

> Court is hereby adjourned until a full psychiatric examination can be conducted on the Siwwy Funny Bunny Wabbit

> Thanks Chockfull for the fun!

55 minutes ago, chockfull said:

Does Jesus still have scars in his new body?  The nail mark thing going on in the hands and feet?  Or were they able to get that healed up?  Wouldn't that present a problem during a normal handshake?  Hey sorry that feels weird, but you know, I'm Jesus.  

Actually, I have heard teachings addressing that saying he had a resurrected body like Christians are supposed to get at his return, then during the ascension he changed into spirit.

Now I do like Perry Mason, and I do like Buffy the Vampire Slayer also, but is the Trinity a vampire where we need lots of garlic and wooden stakes?  Or is it just a one word representation of some monks handling of Christology that the Pope ratified in 325 and became part of mysterious chants, creeds, and a mystery religion concept that is left over from history and most of Christianity glosses over?

- Most of Christianity glosses over?  Not according to what Jesus said in Matt 7:21-23 quoted above

- Garlic and Buffy the Vampire Slayer?  The must have come out of the same strange parallel dimension where they were smoking LSD with the talking rabbit in Alice in Wonderland 

- then during his ascension he changed into a spirit....   Oh, yeah, that's in the Book of the Acts of Alice in Wonderland who changed him in to a spirit (or, if you would like to share some other unknown verse of scripture that says that he changed into a spirit, the court will consider it, otherwise that's overruled )

- Does Jesus still have scars in his new body?

Well you may want to ask him, because it does say in Mark 16:12 ~

"After that he appeared in another form unto two of them"

So apparently in his raised-from-the-dead glorified body (the spiritual body of 1 Cor 15:44) he has, he is able to "appear in another form" with scars, or without scars, depending on whether he is talking to Thomas or someone else.  Makes perfect sense.

But he probably doesn't take the form of the talking Rabbit in Alice's trip

Well, maybe just during Easter

Which is incorrectly translated in its only use in the entire Bible in Acts 12:4 from the Greek transliteration 'pascha' which is translated 28 other times in the New Testament as Passover

But most of Christianity glosses over, I mean, passes over that too 

26 minutes ago, TLC said:

Four fingers of that point back at yourself.

This "which Christ" line has been tossed around over the years (usually by staunch Trinitarians) so haphazardly and ... so outright maliciously at times, that it's truly disgusting. 

Which other was it that laid his life down on a cross at Calgary, that God subsequently raised from the dead and called his "only begotten Son"?

None, I tell you. Absolutely none. Make no mistake about it.

What?  No verses of scripture or references for anything in that unintelligible comment?

None, I tell you.  Absolutely none. Make no mistake about it.

Oh, I forgot, it's Alice-in-Wonderland logic time again, where rabbits talk, lol...

Which four fingers are you referring to?

Is must be the three fingers of the false trinity doctrine plus you (congratulations, that makes 4 in real-world math, not Alice-in-Wonderland math used to support the Trinity).

I agree with you that the lie of the Trinity is truly malicious and disgusting

But please provided proofs that like mine that stand like mountains of truth, immoveable by Alice-in-Wonderland logic where everything moves and changes into all kinds of shapes and colors and sizes with no boundaries or limitations or anything real

Those 4 fingers are tightly wrapped around the Trinity's throat, and squeezing very tightly while the falseness of it drains out the other end in a pile of.....uhm.....Alice-in-Wonderland multi-colored ice cream that smells very bad....

16 hours ago, TLC said:

Christ is preached

But which Christ?

1) The true Jesus Christ, who stated his Father is the only true God ~ John 17:3

2) Or the false christ, who is 1of the mythical 3-gods-in-1 false trinity god invented out of thin air by the Roman Catholic church in 325 A.D. (documented historical fact)

Yes, Billy taught # 2, as stated in his 'What We Believe' list:

"We believe that there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" which is stated at:

https://billygraham.org/about/what-we-believe

He also says that his "closest family and relatives and his wife are already in heaven" in the video titled 'I Know I'm Going To Heaven' at his website here (starting at :55 seconds):

https://billygraham.org/video/billy-graham-know-im-going-heaven

But on his 'What We Believe' page, it says:

"We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost; the saved unto the resurrection of eternal life"

So he believes in the resurrection of the saved unto eternal life, but his closest family and relatives and his wife get a Special Pass directly to heaven without having to go through the resurrection like all the other billions of people who have lived through history.  Very similar to the Roman Catholic doctrine that Mary went straight to heaven and is the Queen of Heaven. Not.

So the holes in his most basic and important doctrinal beliefs are so big, you could throw an mature adult elephant through them.

Evangelist?  Yes

Christian Evangelist for the only true God?

Only in a parallel universe where all the laws of logic, language, physics, math, and everything else can be twisted into all kinds of wonderful LSD-induced Alice in Wonderland shapes and colors

GoldStar said:

"all of whom had the holy spirit and had already believed beyond what they could know by their five senses"

4 hours ago, TLC said:

not at that point in time.

Wanna bet?

Even before that point in time:

Luke 9:1,2,6

"Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick."

"And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where."

11 hours ago, TLC said:

What is the context of Luke 24? (Spoken to Israelites, that could never bring themselves to believe anything beyond what could be known by their five senses)

The context of Luke 24 is that at least 11 of the only 13 people that Jesus talked to in that chapter were apostles, all of whom had the holy spirit and had already believed beyond what they could know by their five senses, as they did miracles and such

11 hours ago, TLC said:

Do you suppose it to now be flesh and bones seated at the right hand of God?

I don't suppose it, Jesus Christ himself said it in Luke 24:39 (after he was raised from the dead) that his body had flesh and bone, there is no scripture saying that his body was changed again after his ressurrection and before he was taken up into heaven

The most scripturally-based conclusion is that his body is flesh and bone (with the spirit inside) since he sat down the right hand of God about 2,000 years ago - Hebrews 10:12 - "...sat down on the right hand of God..."

Which is like a stake through the heart of the Trinity because Jesus Christ explaining in Luke 24:39 that his resurrected body is flesh and bone, and that he is not a spirit, and then Jesus Christ saying in John 4:24 that God is a spirit, and Jesus Christ being on earth while God is in heaven taking Jesus up into heaven (two different beings in two different places), and then Jesus Christ sitting down on the right hand of God (not becoming God when he got to heaven) pretty much proves that the idea of the Trinity, that was invented out of thin air by the Catholic church in 325 A.D. [historical fact], is not scriptural since about 2,000 years ago.

Not even the great Perry Mason could crack this "open (the scriptures) and shut case".

1 hour ago, TLC said:

Has spirit... or is spirit? 1Cor.15:45.

Has spirit

Luke 24:39 ~ Jesus clearly states that he is not a spirit:

"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

1 Corinthians 15:44-45 ~

"There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." ( < spirit here cannot mean that the last Adam - Jesus Christ - was made a spirit, because he already clarified that he is not a spirit in Luke 24:39).

In the context, 1 Corinthians 15:44-45 ~

There is a natural body - is related to - the first man Adam was made a living soul ( < the soul is inside the natural body )

There is a spiritual body - is related to - the last Adam was made a quickening spirit ( < referring to the spirit inside the spiritual body )

In Luke 24:39, Jesus says:

A spirit doesn't have flesh and bones

but he doesn't say:

Flesh and bones can't have a spirit

1 hour ago, TLC said:

Was blood necessary after resurrection?

I have studied this before and wanted to share my findings

If one considers these verses:

1 Cor 15:50 ~

"...that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God"

Luke 24:39 ~

After he was raised from the dead, Jesus Christ appeared out of thin air to the apostles and told them that a spirit doesn't have flesh and bone like he has (in other words, he was telling them that he is not a spirit, that he has a body with flesh and bone (but notice he did not mention blood)

1 Corinthians 15:44 ~

"...there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body..."

I believe it is most likely that Jesus Christ's resurrected body is a spiritual body like the one mentioned in 1 Cor 15:44

And that instead of blood running inside his glorified body (since flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God - 1 Cor 15:50)

This would fit with the glorified body of "Philippians 3:21 ~ "who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body"

He most likely has spirit instead of blood running inside his glorified body, which would follow with the glorified body

Blood is life (for the life of the flesh is in the blood - Lev 17:11) [in the natural body]

Spirit is life (John 6:63 ~ It is the spirit that quickeneth > "gives life") [in the spiritual body would make sense]

Of all the verses containing the word "blood" in the New Testament, only one seems to refer to actual physical blood in heaven, but it is not inside a body:

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God" ~ Revelation 19:13

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1 hour ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

However, millions of people thought he was a great MOG

Yes, Grace, undoubtedly, and these verses explain that perfectly:

Matthew 7:13 ~

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:"

Matthew 7:15 ~

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

Matthew 7:21 ~

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.  MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Yes, many, millions will believe and be fooled

1 hour ago, Grace Valerie Claire said:

GS, thanks for the link. Wow!!  BG certainly had an intresting life.  Was he a godly man?  In my view no, but I know others would say, he was the world's MOG during his lifetime.  Perhaps both views are valaid

Hi Grace, you are welcome.  As to your first question was he a godly man? After seeing this and other information about him, I would have to agree with your statement, "in my view no".

As to the statement that others would say that he was the MOG during his lifetime, I would have to agree with you on that statement also.

As to the statement "Perhaps both views are valid", I would offer this example:

If a woman tells her children that she loves them everyday when she drops them off at school and when they come home from school, but then before they go to bed she drugs them so that while they are asleep and unaware she can do unspeakable atrocities to them, then I would say that a "perhaps both views are valid" statement that she is a both a good mother and a bad mother would not hold water very well.

Just my opinion

What Billy Graham Taught With His Fingers

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