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  1. Twinky, this will be my last reply to you. i am replying to your comments and questions below You are very very very mistaken when you say- "having to do one better than Jesus"- This is an absolute copout of protestants who want to escape the spiritually "inconvenient truth"- i.e 7th day sabbath commandment Keeping the 7th day sabbath is not doing better than Jesus but in keeping the commandments of God -in holiness and righteousness in Jesus Christ For those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit- they are empowered to be like Jesus Christ- Why do you think God wants us in: 1 Peter 1:16 King James Version (KJV) 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. ( Will you pooh, pooh, this from God) If you think that God doesnt want us to put on Jesus Christ and what do you think is he reason for the presence of indwelling Holy Spirit in obdedient and repented christians is for- To teach us and to empower us so we can be like Jesus Christ (Lord of the Sabbath") Why was Peter so bold after the day of pentecost? Because he received the gift of the Holy Spirit and walked in faith 1 John 3: 3 And every man that hath this hope in him (Jesus Christ- The Lord of the Sabbath- The Hope of Glory ) purifieth himself, even as he (Jesus Christ) is pure. (will you be sarky with this loving encouragement from the apostle John as well) Your quote:: Ignore? Or accept the heart of it? The heart of it is: rest, on a regular basis. And I have told you, time and again, how it is that I personally honour God and God's rest. I did ask you why God would be so petty as to demand that rest be on one particular day only, and condemn all those who love him but honour him on a different day. You didn't answer that. It's good that you honour God on a regular basis each week; I'm glad that you so choose. I think you're going to be awfully upset if you find that the calendar isn't as you think and you find you are sabbathing on, say, Wednesday, or Tuesday. Oops! I do not accept your (church's) assertion that one can know what day the original "7th day" was. Nor do I think it necessary to know. Where in the bible does God state- "rest on a regular basis"? Resting on a regular basis -like sleep for 8 hrs is an understood health principle that even the heathen know. God doesn’t need to tell us to rest on a regular basis. However God did say in Exodus 20:8-10 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: So in vs 9 and vs 10- the heart of the matter that God is referring to is not that you rest on a regular basis as in physical sleep or recovery (even work insist on 2 (30 minute breaks) and this is something people do anyway but rather He is saying, you have 6 days that you do your normal secular occupations (6 days shalt thou labour) and you can even work from sunset to sunset on these 6 days (if that's your shift work requirements) but reserve the 7th day from sunset to sunset (so you can rest and recover from the weekly toil and rest in me spiritually- doing spiritual activities like praying Fellowship with God), studying the word, meditating, teaching fellowshipping with believers) Yes! We all can rest on a regular basis but can you have a sunset to sunset rest everyday of the week That's impossible because people have to go to work, have families to feed and so forth and that's why God hallowed and sancified a special day. So contrary to what you are thinking, God is being very practical in nominating one special day and he specifically created the 7th day as a sabbath keeping day for mankind. Twinky, a little while ago you told me, "d'ya know what you may have a point" when I told you that God rained manna on the sixth day so the children of Israel(Jews) knew when the seventh day sabbath was. Now if you have done a bit of a back flip in saying- "the sabbatarians will be shocked to learn that the original Seventh day might be tues or wed. This doesn’t make sense- all this just tells me that you are trying to justify your excuse for not keeping the 7th day sabbath commandment of God and your preference for any day of the week. If the original seventh day was a tues, God would have rained manna on a mon. and you know what! there is one thing that Jews meticulously clung on to (even though they had all their man made traditions of which we christian sabbath keepers are not a part of) The jews know very well which day is the 7th day sabbath- God showed it to them and they carried it on through their generations. If the 7th day sabbath was our modern Tuesday- then Jews would have kept the sabbath on Tuesday. Can you see the jews in Israel celeberating on Tuesday, No! It is always and will be always The 7th day i.e Saturday So there is no resetting of calendar when God gave it to the children of Israel. It's a continous counting of the days of the week from when creation started day1 to day 7. This was given to mankind like in the days of Noah- how do you think Noah kept track of the days? Why would God break the calendar that he set up (numbering the days of the week from day 1 to day 7) Your attempts to analyse with how God reset the calendar when he rained manna on the 6th day to indicate the sabbath day to the children of israel is pure conjecture and man's opinions or woman's opinions cannot be trusted "There is a way that seemeth right to man (woman) but the end thereof is death |In those days -before the julian and gregorian calendar named the days It was always 1st day of the week, 2nd day of the week, 3rd day of the week and so on till 7th day of the week like it is in the bible in the New Testament The babylonian calendar was the first civilization to bring in a calendar system and they just adopted God's calendar which was already being used- i.e. numbering the days of the week as in 1st, 2nd and so on When the romans came in they just named the days of the week according to their pagan days- 1st day of the week was to their sun god and so on Your quote: "I do not accept your (church's) assertion that one can know what day the original "7th day" was. Nor do I think it necessary to know. I really don’t care whether you accept or reject- it is not my church assertion- it's a fact- whether you believe it or not it doesn’t bother me one bit. Saying it's not necessary to know which is the 7th day sabbath really is being ignorant of God's 7th day sabbath commandment keeping which is very specific Your quote: "I did ask you why God would be so petty as to demand that rest be on one particular day only, and condemn all those who love him but honour him on a different day. You didn't answer that." God is not petty and He is commanding you to do a "sabbath rest" which is not feasible and not practical to do every day of the week He is being very practical to the needs of mankind. He says you can do whatever you need or want to do on six days of the week- go all out -work hard in your jobs to feed yourself and your family, rest, exercise, play golf whatever but reserve the 7th day (Saturday) -the day I specifically created for you in heaven with me so you can rest from your weekly toil - be free of stress from work , rest from physical activity and devote it to me (God) so you can have special fellowship With God, reading, studying, meditating on His word and even fellowship with other believers focussing on God and His word He doesn’t condemn at the moment all those to hell who love him and honour him on a different day. He is asking them to wake up- the judgement will come in Matt 7:22- (The people here are saying Lord, Lord- they actually in their own way thought they are honouring God but God a rude shock because they were dishonouring him by not following the 7th day sabbath commandment. One of the 10 commandments Christians with good intentions may say: Ahh God! We love honour you but we have a better idea, we will keep the sabbath on any day we like because we know better than you. ( Proverbs 21:2) We will keep Sunday- which is claimed by your arch enemy- satan via the man made tradition of the rc church. (Read Rome's Challenge to the Protestants) Note if you keep any other day other than the specified 7th day- it's still man made and not of God How is this honouring to God? Ignorant- yes, Dishonouring- yes Note if you keep any other day- it's still man made preference and not of God So God is not petty (as in what you think pettyness is as in pooh poohing the 7th day holy sabbath commandment of God) I know that I can come across as being harsh but believe me that's not my intention but just declaring what is clearly shown in the bible. God is a loving God but he also warns people ahead of time. You keep forgetting and ignoring also that God is a God of justice- God will recompense unrepentant sinners- he will not contradict his word I keep saying this over and over again- there is no shades of sin with God You did say there have been some pretty good people like nicky cruz and david wilkerson who had big time ministries. Will God judge them for not keeping the 7th day sabbath! Of Course They had the bible but they ignored the sabbath so like you they will face (Matt 7:22)- I know its a rude shock But like you they will have a chance to repent in the 2nd resurrection and they will be one of the first ones to admit their mistakes. I dont about you- if you think matt 7:22 is a joke- then wait and find out I am not taking chances and i keep the commandments of God for the simple reason that I love God and Jesus Christ who delivered me from false religion This is why Jesus said, "take heed"- it's so important - in judgement there is a heavy price to pay God will carry out sentencing at the right time when he returns as the judge and judges according to the word of God (1 John 3:4) Like the others i am absolutely done with you on discussing the 7th day sabbath issue From i experience, I can see that GSC forum is a spiritual grave yard - You guys have gone from the twi cult (from one end of the spectrum) to the other (where you do what you like and not according to God's commandments and that's why you love ignoring the 7th day sabbath commandment). Mark my words when you face judgement face to face with Jesus Christ and you receive he Matt 7:22 backlash you will remember me. Better to repent now then to sorrowfully regret on judgement day I have wasted enough of time. It's pointless having back and forth 7th day sabbath arguments I wont be looking at the public forum on gsc. If you have something different and not throwing mud back at me then PM me. We can still be friends -but no more public forum Over and out Waxit
  2. Please understand that whaever I am saying- I am declaring the truth in love and this will almost end my sabbath discussion with you- it's pointless going on for both of us and we must agree to differ. I am just answering your replies and i will be leaving it at this Does your quote above that since Jesus Christ took away our sins, we can now continuing sinning? lie, steal etc- obviously not- so in the same way we also keep the 7th day sabbath Nowehere in the bible does it state that Jesus bore all your sins- you can now sin as much you like- You cannot be perfect like Jesus so go ahead lie and steal- is that the story Jesus has kept himself pure in this regard- so that gives you the license to go ahead and lie and steal I keep saying this over and over but it doesnt seem to go through to you- Paul is clearly saying we keep the laws and commandments (your major misunderstnding is that the law has been done away with and that's why you keep bringing up Col 2: 10 I told you that if you can prove from the bible that the "commandments of God' does not include the 7th day sabbath then I will join you. But you cannot prove that - and I can - The 10 commandments - like lying, stealing, worshipping other gods are cardinal sins and everyone knows that and the 7th day sabbath commandment- God placed it right about the middle of the 10 commandments (James 2:10) And you dont even acknowledge or oblivious to the fact - that if you dont keep all the commandments of God then you are not in fellowship with God of the bible who is loving .comapassionate, gracious but the age of grace ends when you face the Lord in judgement. This is when most christians will face 7:22 Doesnt it shock you to know that you might not be in fellowship with God? 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God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (why is Paul saying this - have you ever wondered?) .You may say we try to lead a sinless life and do our best by not lying and stealing- That's right! but there is one commandment among the 10 commandments that you dont even try and keep- in fact you have never kept it and you willfully keep another day as the sabbath not the 7th day sabbath (saturday). This is a specific commandment of God which cannot be annulled - In a covenant law- you can add or subtract to the terms and conditions, otherwise you break it (1 John 3:4) and the 7th day commandment is a commandment you are breaking every week and will continue to sin until you fo to the graveyard- This is the danger- unrepentance and disobedience through ignorance Hebrews 9:27 - It is appointed for man (woman) to die once and then judgement - Matt 7:22 It's great you are doing good work- but the biblical 7th day sabbath is an inhouse rest day- where you can invite people to your home for sabbath fellowship, studying the word, teaching, praying for healing- if you have to bandage their wounds or wash their feet (healing) , you can even do that but it is a specific rest from your normal work day week activiies. It is impossible to keep the the 7th day sabbath that God commanded on every day of the week- Most people are not not millionaires- and financially free to do sunset to sunset sabbath on Monday to Friday and then Sunday- It's impossible Try doing what you are currently doing sunset to sunset on your sunday sabbath from mon to fri- so the type of 7th day sabbath that God commands is feasible and reasonable for most people on one day of the week- unless you are a millionaire and God doesnt require 6 days of sabbath keeping as he wants it from sunset to sunset- and God has stated in His laws and commandments that it must be on the 7th day of the week (saturday). You are right there is no more physical circumcision for the males as a sign as in Abraham's days but now it's the circumcision of the heart (spiritual) where we put away for sins from a heart perspective. You seem to think that since Jesus Christ observed all the tenets of the law- we are not required to keep it This is an erroneous teaching of the protestant churches who fail to understand that the law has never been done away with- It's not getting through to your head The law or the commandments in the new covenant with Christ instituted at the last supper are spiritual where are the laws are kept with a deeper intensity of heart and mind. If you read Hebrews, you will see that Jesus Christ is our one time sin offering and therfore the animal sacrifices have been done away with So the christian sabbath (post cucifixion) is not observed with the physical focus of the old covenant (animal sacrifices- this was done to show how disgusting sin is- so animal sacrifices has been done way with) but the 7th day sabbath (being a law of God- part of the 10 commandmens) has neven been done away with (Hebrews Read this verse below very carefully: Jesus has not destroyed the law by fullfilling the law- In fact He is saying to keep all the comandments of God (icludes 7th day sabbath) Isnt this what Paul is also saying in Romans 3:31 Matt 5:17-19 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, (the law has been done away with) or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. This is really, really important so pay close attention and you may understand what I am trying to get through to you: Buried with Him, Baptised with Him and Raised with Him ( This is only for repentant sinners who are locked in with the covenant law that Jesus christ made with His church) Do you think that "buried with Him, baptised with Him and Raised with Him" is going to be effective for people who willfully start lying and stealing and worshipping Gods? No of course not- Breaking the 7th day commandment is just as bad as lying and stealing according to God and you cannot add or subtract in a covenant law- it has to be exact or specific as in the commanded 7th day sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 James 2:10 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point(ignoring the 7th day sabbath) , he is guilty of all. They would be breaking the new covenant law. (1 John 3:4) But you are breaking the new covenant law every single week Twinky, because you violate the 7th day sabbath kweeping commandment of God and you are not repentant. How is God going to forgive you if you are unrepentant? Hebrews 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. (Matt 7:22)
  3. This is ridiculous Twinks- I mean come on- are you kidding me? The verse below in Exodus 20:8-11 is the word of God not my words. 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: How do you say I add the words when God is plainly telling you plainly, it is the 7th day of the week By keeping sabbath on the 1st day of the week (sunday), by your action you are adding to the word of God and subtracting at the same time by ignoring the 7th day sabbath I have previously posted to you about your reason for resisting the 7th day sabbath commandment Once you have told me your real reason (fear ,concern whatever) for resisting the 7th daysabbath day ( and I am 99.9999% sure you will not keep the 7th day sabbath as commanded by God) Then we can agree to differ so i wont discuss the 7th day sabbath with you anymore- you can go on your merry way and I will go mine
  4. Please dont call me Gabe-It's a nickname I might have used accidentally. Call me Waxit Ok! You say you keep sabbath on Sunday (1st day of the week). That's fantastic So what's the problem with keeping sabbath on the 7th day (Saturday) in line with the word of God Does the fact that God of the bible has specifically commanded the 7th day (Saturday) sabbath too much for you to handle? Is that what you are saying? DDoesn’t God have the right to specify the day of the week he wants sabbath day observance He created the heavens and the earth, He created you and me- (Read Jeremiah 18:6) If he was not specific about the 7th day, He would not have specified the 7th day as the sabbath day and would not have specified into His Laws & Commandment (7th day sabbath is part of the 10 commandments) You and I know that God is supreme and the most intelligent being in the whole universe and knows what He is doing. Abraham believed and trusted God when He told him to get of his established comfort zone in Ur of the chaldees and was greatly blessed for doing so, How about you? Please understand I am not being sarcastic. I am trying to understand the real reason for your resistance to 7th day sabbath in light of the fact that you say you already keep sabbath presumably on Sunday (if I am not mistaken)
  5. You asked me if this is going over my head- No! It never has right from day 1 and that' why God showed me the specific 7th day sabbath. Mercy and forgiveness by God to restore someone becomes effective for those who repent who will turn away from their transgressions The laws and commandments of God define and shows us what is sin (1 John 3:4) What did Jesus Christ tell the woman who committed adultery after He forgave her- "Go and sin no more" Keeping the sabbath on any other day than the specific 7th day is a transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4) What will happen if the adulterous woman never repented after she was forgiven and then died? Would she be welcomed into the kingdom of God? And you are right mercy can follow after justice- but why would you want to face Matt 7:22 when you don't have to? If you are already keeping the sabbath as you say, is keeping the sabbath on the 7th day too big an ask for you
  6. I think it is unfair for you to call my church/organization a cult (that is your opinion- how would you like it if I came out on public forum on gsc and said- the church that you belong to is pagan and false. A cult is where you are controlled by what the organization dictates- (contrary to the word of God) I dont belong to any particular church nor am I controlled by church idealogies- I go by the written word of God and communing wwith God) Cult is not where I am - far fom it- I have learnt the lessons of twi as I am sure you have learnt as well
  7. This is the very last time you will see me replying to you in gsc public forum - I dont really care what kind of comments you make from now on Just to clarify your above comment for the last time Promotion is the wrong word- Declaring the truth is more appropriate. I dont have any hatred that the pharisees - if i do have hatred than i have sinned and i honestly dont have hatred but just sad that no one in gsc has responded positively to God's 7th day sabbath commeanment I dont know where you got this idea that I am a pharisee type- not as bad as a pharisee but still a pharisee- that's absolute nonsense and you also judging me and the worst part, judging me wronly I think you make these type of comments because you just dont get it rearding the validity of the 7th day sabbath - you have got your understanding of the sabbath reversed from what it is actually sayong Do you go to the ucg link - i sent you- do go there Mark, seriously and you will then be able o answer people from the scriptures https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/sunset-to-sunset-gods-sabbath-rest/jesus-christ-and-the-sabbath when they are ask you why 7th day sabbath is important. You wont be rubbishing it when you understand how the 7th day sabbath fits perfectly into the plan of God and why it's very important If you visit the link, you will learn the meaning of the sabbath and why it's so important and you will stop making comments like the one above The phrase "Sabbath is made for Man and not Man for the Sabbath is misunderstood by a lot of christians and is a favourite excuse for anti sabbatarians because they think the Lord is saying, you dont have to keep the sabbath I the Lord am Lor of the sabbath and i the Lord give you the authority to do what you like- Thats absolute hogwash Why am I saying thiws? For the simple reason that God will not break His own laws. Refer to Exodus 20:8-11 on your software look at what Paul is saying- anywhere in the bible where it says, "commandments" referring to God's commandments not man made commandments (judaism) - it includes the 4th commandment- i.e 7th day sabbath commandment Romans 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (includes the 7th day sabbath commandment) What will happen in America- if there was total lawlessness, anyone can go the bank- rob the bank and get away with it. The police will not come after you- like this you can do anything like- lie, murder If this is the case then there will be absolute mayhem and a total breakdown of society- so what about the universe over which God is in control- it will fall apart if God was a lawless God and did not follow His own governing laws. Jesus Christ as the "Lord of the Sabbath" doesnt mean He gives you the authorty to do what you like but that you follow His example of what He is and what He created the 7thday Sabbath and the Lord of the Sabbath. Ignoring and going against the 7th day Sabbath is going against the spiritual law of God and as a result there is a break down in relationship with God- The 7th day sabbath is a commandment that specifically relates to relationship and fellowship with God Yes! The pharisees hated Jesus Christ - they couldnt fault him because He was already keeping the keeping the sabbath so they tried to muscle in on "how he was keeping the sabbath"- Mark, noe there's a very important difference between saying "keeping the sabbath" and "how He and his disciples were keeping the sabbath" If you read the gospels Mark, I gurantee you there iws not one single time, the pharisess confronted Jesus Christ about whether "He kept the sabbath" but rather "How He kept the sabbath". The pharisees wanted Jesus o obey their man ade laws (judaism) When it says sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath You will see in Genesis that God created man first before He created the 7th day That shows He took into account the needs of man for pphysical rest and also the need to rest in God- a special day at the end of week to commune with God and a day devoted to God in godly acivities likes fellowship,studying, meditating on the word of God So Sabbath was specifically made for man so how can man (dust of the earth) turn around and ignore the 7th day sabbath which was made for him God did not make the sabbath and then tried to conform man to fit the sabbath. No, no ,no God made man and took into account the needs of man for physical rest and for him to rest in God (spiritual rest and revitalising example reading the word, meditation on the word of God, worship of the one true God etc and then He created the 7th day sabbath Can you see now how "Sabbath was made for Man and Not Man for Sabbath" and how this fits into God's plan for the well being of Man
  8. Yep! we will agree to differ. I agree that most of christianity ignores the 7th day sabbath and i have stated this again and again. It doesnt necessarily mean you guys who are anti 7day sabbath are right- even if 99% is against he 7th day sabbath commandment it doesn't mean you are right. (Rev 12:9). So I agree to differ and I am really happy that God opened my eyes but I will respect what others believe- you are entitled to believe what you want to believe. I just dont want to be shocked come judgement time. If you are pretty confident and believe that Matt 7:22 doesnt apply to you and somehow you have special exemption and btw when Jesus Christ comes back - it's not the age of grace anymore- He is coming back to judge- 1 Peter 4:17 so if all this doesnt bother you- so be it- i will leave it at that I have one last question for you though which may or may not give you food for thought and I would be interested to know your thoughts This is the question that i asked and you have left unanswered: Why is it that among all the 10 commandments- most believing christian respect and obey- all the other 9 commandments as in thout shalt not lie, thou shalt not steal...and so forth but ignore the 4th commandment to keep the 7th day Sabbath I cannot understand how we can ignore one of God's commandments (they are all important), so why do christians choose to ignore the specific 7th day sabbath which is clearly a part of the 10 commandments? especially when God also says in: Deuteronomy 4:2 2 Ye shall not add unto the word (7th day sabbath) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish (keep any of the other 6 days week for the weekly sabbath ) ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. Your thoughts on this Twinky?
  9. It's a book that examines judaism- there is nothing to peddle
  10. I am sorry if i come across as insulting and arrogant Twinky- i didnt do it to intentionally to hurt you. I have also answered your question below I was speaking the truth when i pointed out your wrong inderstanding of that particular scripture- "Take my yoke upon you" We all make mistakes sometimes including me and I am certainly saying I am not perfect. Mark poined out the word "sabbath" was only stated 10 times in Hebrews, I checked it out and he was right so I told him, he was right and that i stand corrected Many people got offended with Jesus Christ because he told them the truth Since when is a free book called "peddling" (that shows you that the levitical(judaism) laws is not part of the christian bible The "hedge around torah" is jewish man made regulations (which is nonsense). Guys anyone genuinely interested in this free book-"Judaism- Religion of Moses or Religion of Man "PM me and I will let you know where you can request a free copy The orthodox jews are hypocrites who rely on their "own efforts" to make ultra ultra sure- all the commandments are being observed "100%" right down to the pin on the shirt and that is hogwash. Their whole idea of keeping the sabbath is totally screwed up in legalism and not the heart behind it The Torah is a jewish bible - The jews dont even recognise Jesus Christ as the messiah, and so why would you want to pay attention to a jewish bible and worse pin their man made laws on to the christian bible sabbath. If there is a law in the book of leviticus in the bible- that makes it awkard (God did say His commandments are not grievious)- please understand all the ritual rules have been done away with, in the person of Jesus Christ - who was the sacrificial lamb of God. The Sabbath was never done away with. It's part of the 10 commandments that will be there for all eternity Jesus Christ who is the Lord of the Sabbth said- "I am the same, yesterday, today and forever If you want to ignore the 7th day sabbath and you indeed valid in saying that and it is correct and ok with God- then please understand, that will also give you the right to lie and steal. Can that happen- of course not- No liar shall enter the kingdom of God (1 John 2:4) All right Twinky- sometimes I do miss your posts- because i am not a fan of the public forum in gsc. Please note I will now answer your question: Why did i email you on sabbath No! definitely not. This is why i keep telling you and you keep ignoring me. Your levitical laws sticking on the sabbath isnt valid when you understand God allows freedom within the parameters he has defined- sabbath- 7th day- sunset to sunset- rest from physical labour of daily acivities By all means focus on spiritual activities- the jews with their levitical laws even accused Jesus of healing the crippled man- He called then hypocrites healing is a spiritual activity as emailing someone telling them regarding the sabbath- did i commuicate with you regarding the share market - no If you are saying that we sabbath keepers are "performing" work because we are emailing and tapping on some keys telling them about the sabbath then by the same token, you can also consider putting food into your mouth as work- can you see how ridiculous it can get? I wonder why the orthodox jews didnt write - "no feeding yourself" on sabbath" into their jewish torah- wwouldnt see any fat rabbis, would we? On sabbath we communicate online about spiritual things- would you consider that labour as a strenuos wphysical activity You say you keep "sabbath" on sunday, and you meet online. so obviously you have to tap a few keys- would you consider that work? In regards to ligting a fire (cooking) considered "work" during sabbath- please go to this link here for a clear explanation: https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/does-lighting-a-fire-on-the-sabbath-break-gods-law Now that i have answered your question- please answer my question: Why do you think that among all the 10 commandments, wwe should keep 9 commandments and ignore only the 4th commandment ( i.e 7th day sabbath keeping commandment) Did God not tell us not to add or subtract from His Word (Laws & Commandments) included Here is a scripture to consider when answering: Deut 4:2 2 Ye shall not add to the word (keep any day of the week except 7th day-saturday) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish (ignore the 7th day sabbath) ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
  11. Sure- i definitely agree with you to take the yoke of Jesus (love, kindness, gentleness and humility , but it's nothing to do with keeping the sabbath (yoke in this case is what you put on to make your task (work) a bit easier. As i explained in my earlier reply, sabbath is for rest - cease from work and rest in God In fact keeping the sabbath is time well spent in studying and meditating on God's word and can be spent to learn about Jesus Christ and how to put on His yoke which is much lighter to solve problems the easier way. You can go to Jesus anytime but what better way then to spend time in the word and fellowship with God on his definite appointed day and time- Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath The 7th day from sunset to sunset- includes everthing rest (sleep), worship and fellowship- study,meditate,pray As for Jesus requirements, please read this and understand, they are Jesus words- you fullfill Jesus words and the love commandment when you obey His words. Please, please Twinky, i beg you - meditate on this scripture below (ask God for clarity- if it still doesnt resonate with you lets not pay attention to what we want but what Jesus wants This is God's commandments and God's requirements ( God and Jesus Christ are one) Jeremiah 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded ( includes 7th day sabbath) you, that it may be well unto you. His requirements are not grievious. (why can sabbath not be any of the other 6 days-that's your commandment not God's) You love and honour God when you discard your own commandments and cling to God's commandments which is truth (7th day was created by God- it's valid today as the day when it was first createdw- that's why God doesnt reset) which is love and whch benefits us. Sabbath is something that gives physical rest and spiritual rest in God and if you are going to do something then follow it through to it's entirety the way God wants it This is His commandments and His requirements 1 John 5:3 King James Version (KJV) 3 For this is the love of God (your favourite commandment), that we keep his commandments: and his commandments (includes 7th day sabbath) are not grievous. If you can honesty say and prove from the bible that His commandments above in 1 John 5:3 does not include the 7th day sabbath (10 commandments) then i will join you and your church Regards Waxit
  12. What Jesus Christ meant here has got nothing whatsover in keeping the 7th day Sabbath> Please note sabbath is meant for you to have complete rest (physical activity) and from the stress and work responsibilities of the working week- what could possible be lighter than that. So sabbath is not a piece of hand cufft that you think it is and Matt 11:28-30 has got nothing to do with sabbath. You are slapping the wrong label on the wrong scripture Here Jesus is talking about yoke -when two oxen are yoked together- what does it mean- it means they are fitted (getting their work gear on to work) Here it's symbolically of someone coming to Jesus with all their problem and Jesus will show them, how by taking his yoke- the problem becomes easily solved Jesus shows them an easier way (love & forgiveness)- there is still work involved but it is solved without stress, hatred or animosity. Wiyh sabbath there is complete rest from work Jesus shows them who He is kind, gentle, loving, peaceful and this go a long way in making the yoke light and people are in a much lighter mode in solving their problems If you want a more detailed explanation go here; https://www.ucg.org/united-news/that-was-easy Again when i request for an explanation to a specific bible verse, you are being evasive- you will almost never answer my request for an explanation of the bible verse- in this case Hebrews 4. Instead of explaining the scripture as i requested, you go looking for yet another verse that "appears" to be anti 7th day sabbath" Ok! Can you tell me what are the unfullfillable requiremens of Levitical law you are talking about? I have told you again and again the christian biblical sabbath is not the same as the jewish sabbath which is of Judaism (man made traditions) ( the bible says in 1 John 5:3 is not burdensome but you insist that it's burdensome so who am i to believe- you or God) Do you want a free copy of the book "Judaism- Religion of Moses or Religion of Man While i am looking at giving you a final reply, I will in the meanwhile reply to the comments you make. to show that to you and anyone else reading this I can explain the anti sabbath scriptures wwhile you cannot handle the contradictory verses that says 7th day sabbath is a commandment of God. I am not doing this to boast but to show you that I have looked into sabbath in depth- The more i look at it, the more I know i's meaning, purpose and significance I keep telling you - the covenant that God made with Israel (physical) and the new covenant in Jesus Christ with the church (spiritual) differ in that one is before the sacrificial death f Jesus Christ and the other is after the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. You always have stuck on to the mindset- that sabbath is a strict code of levitical laws and i am telingl you it's not Under the new covenant with Jesus Christ- all the animal sacifices have been done away with. It also does not include man mde traditions All the wwwashing rituals have been done away with . For us today a clean and pure heart- when we repent our sins washed by the blood of Jesus Christ and it does the complete job Please read Hebrews 10 for an explanation of how the form of sacrifice has changed after the sacrificial work of Jesus Christ on the cross 10 For the law having a shadow of good things ( what we are doing here is reflective of what's being done in heaven) to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; old testament- animal sacrifices new testament Jesus Christ (Lamb of God) - one sacrifice for all time physical circumcison of males circumcion of the heart- putting away off sin keeping of the 7th day sabbath (No indwelling of Holy spirit) keeping of the 7th day sabbath (God dwells in us via Holy Spirit) So nothing has changed only the form in regards to the God's covenant with Israel and God's covenant with the Church The keeping of the sabbath has not changed, will never change and it will be kept in heaven for all eternity- that's how nimportant it is
  13. Hi Hazel Sorry it was a long letter- it must be tiring to read it especially if you had a tiring day I can appreciate and understand where you are coming from in terms of why you think God being loving and compassionate is not requiring a specific day of the week. I will have to think about this because I know that God is loving, kind and compassionate but I also know God to be a just God- an unbiased judge, a judge/law giver who will not deny His own laws or commandments If God was to deny his own 7th day specific sabbath commandment- then the whole bible will break down But i also understand where you are coming from and will get back to you with a reply- after which ww can stop the sabbath discussion (because i know probably nothing i say, in all likeihood is not going to make a difference in regards to 7th day sabbath keeping and thereafter, we can just be friends 1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous (includes 7th day sabbath) In regards to the above satement, you got it the other way round. Sabbath (rest) was made for man and not man for sabbath (rest) Man was not made for rest ( if that's the case man would be resting 7 days of the week) The ideas of sabbath rest was introduced by God to give man/woman a break from their working week The 7th day sabbath is a gift from God - so it's packaged for man spiritually. For me it's like a weekly appointment and personal invitation from God so i wont turn down the sabbath appointment You are entitled to make your own decision on that You still havent answered my question though- as i said i do understand where you are coming from You know the 7th day sabbath has never changed no matter what you want to think- like resetting- maybe its a different day- no matter it's been shifted oh well God will understand- so again you are entitled to your own opinion- There is no reason for God to give a different day for sabbath Since he specifically commanded 7th day sabbath observance in Exodus 20:8-11 so just letting you know that there is no doubt that God according to Exodys 20:8-11, He would have shown the children of Israel the seventh day of the week exactly as when he started it. Genesis as you will know is the book of beginnings- the pattern is laid out in Genesis If yu read anywhere else in the book, you can trace the pattern back to Genesis. So- no- he did not reset the dabbath day-when he rained manna on the 6th day of the week, showing them when the sabbath day was, it would definitely have been the original seventh day of the week. He introduced the calendar- all through out that time- the days of the week at at that time was numbered 1,2,3,4,5,6.7th day of the week - the week just continued like that exactly as how it started in heave when God finished creating the heavens and the earth If like you said- God is compassionate, kind,loving which i believe- i already told in my long term, He was absolutely gracious and merciful to me. The part i think where we differ is our understnding of God being a just God who will not deny or contract His own laws I guess you seem to think that God being compassionate and understanding (which i agree) would overlook the specific 7th day sabbath and allow you to keep any day which you like to keep. So then how do you explain this verse: Please do not be evasive again Hebrews 4:4-10 and focus on vs 10 4 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest (Sabbatismos- which means keep the sabbath) to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. You can see that God is clearly specifying the seventh day in Heb 4:4 Please let me know how you would explain Hebrews 4:4-10 in light of the fact that seventh day is clearly and specifically mentioned Regards Gabe
  14. Ok! I can learn from my mistakes and if the way i come across is offensive then i can only say 'forgive me" I am frequently misunderstood. If i was prideful and that i dont care about what oher's think- I agree with them when it is supported by the bible and disagree with them when it's not supported in the bible- Please dont use swear words like "bloody" because the bibe does say "we are to be holy in all manner of conversation" You know what , the word of God is so important- i dont claim to know everything- not at all- there are a lot of things that you could show me- but what i do know about the sabbath- as i go deeper into the word- i can clearly see that left right and centre it fits- there is no unanswered question- you had questions- i answered them all either from the knowledge i have or by researching Sabbath is an important pillar which is why God placed it in the 10 commandments. It was like God is giving us some of his important commandmens in writing- written by the finger of God. The 10 commandments points to the 2 greatest commandments. The first 4 commandments we keep because we love God and the next 4 we keep because we love people (neighbours- people we come across) Ok!People think that i am very boastful when I ask them to pray for God to open their eyes of understanding- I know when i was in at twi- it was definitely shut. I honestly got the revelation from Jesus Christ after twi when i was confused -I got the answwer only because I cried out (prayed) to God for the truth. and God can do the same for youand for anyone- when he knows you are sincere and honest This is why I keep telling people to whom i am writing to- it's dwindling- you are about the only one that i am communicaing with I cannot convince you or anyone about anything but God can give you an understanding of the sabbath and why it is important and why the 7th day today is the same original 7th day sabbath day started by God in heaven when He rested from His works. I clearly tell people and you will know this that God is kind, loving and merciful but what people dont want to know or dismiss is that He is a ver.y equitable judge and law giver. If He was to wink at people who have sinned - (1 John 3:4- sin is a transgression of the law0 by ignoring and not keeping the 7th day sabbath. Then you know what, God will have to forgive satan. You know what then sin will be drifitng around in the kindgdom of God and forever it will not be removable This is the same thing that happened- when adam & eve sinned- although God loved then and provided lamb skins ( symbolic of Jesus Christ- sacrificial lamb of God) to cover their sins- He still had to kick them out- see God is still merciful and he still loves you but he cannot and will not tolerate sin We know satan is a bad dude- the worst- but with God sin is still sin- God is sinless -the moment we sin- there is a breaking of fellowship (The wages of sin is death) so what it boils down to - the difference between satan and us- although we are both sinners- satan cannot and will not repent- It's not in his nature- even He is dead meat in the frozen tundra wwhen the Lord defeats him and he is in permanently locked away. However thank God, we can repent- and when wwe repen- God's grace and mercy kicks in- This is the only way God's kindness is extended to us Can you tell me of any instance in the whole bible where God's mercy. love and grace was extended to someone and the person will be welcomed into heaven without him repenting and being forgiven? None On the other hand, can you tell me someone in the bible who after committing the worst sin (Manasseh comes to mind- He ruled for 50 yrs and was the most wicked king so bad was he- He even set up homosexual booths right in the temple) This guy was dragged through his nose all the way into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar Amazingly this wicked king had a change of heart where he actually repented of his sinful deeds and guess what, He was forgiven by God. So why would God forgive someone who committed such horribly disgusting sins Two words- he repented and amazingly God forgave. Why couldnt God forgive Solomon- who had such a beautiful start, the wisest king whote 3 books in the bible? Repentance- Solomon was so far gone with his 800 wives and pagan gods- It was very sad, he didnt repent Did God have a bias to forgive Mannasesh and not forgive Solomon. NO! God is an impartial judge On the basis of Jesus Christ who paid the penalty for the sins of mankind- God will forgive So why didnt God forgive Solomon because Solomon did not repent So it's the same thing right down to our day. No repentance, no forgiveness. No forgiveness- No relaionship wih god No relationship with God- No entering the kingdom of God So why cant i do it at the last minute? Do you want to take the chance? What if you are killed instantly in a car accident God knows the heart as well- someone who doesnt really repent because he couldnt it as sin but just just wanted to "qualify" for the kingdom of God- God will know about it. Repentance must come from the heart not the head Are you saying, I have got head knowledge and very prideful? Well! I may come across that way but I am not No! It's not alright to be proud and self exhalting- definitely not- Nobody with any sin that's not been repented off and not forgiven washed by the lamb of God- can ever enter into the kingdom of God. If people say i am proud and self exhalting then i should take note and humble myself- and watch my words and how i come across and examine my own heart- if there is any sin So being proud and self exhalting which i do my best not to be ( I should tone down and speak lovingly to people so they wont misunderstand me) I get impatient -that's where I must learn to be patient- it's one of the fruits of the spirit- Disobeying the 7th day commandment is just as bad being proud (the first sin committed by satan- he wanted to be God) So please dont draw the conclusion- that I am telling you disobeying th 7th day sabbath is worse than being proud. How did you come to the conclusion? One thing I can tell - there is no shades of sin with God- He will not tolerate any sin and we cannot enter the kingdom of God with sin- no matter how small it is God is transforming to be like His on Jesus Christ as we become obedient to Him, in doing our best to remain pure and without sin and when we sin, repent so we can get back on the path righteousness in Christ Jesus 1 John 3: 3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Notice the connection between the immense love the Father has bestowed upon us and how he is transforming us into the image of His dear Son. Twinky, you are definitely right, we are weak, nobody is able to keep all the commandments, perfectly 100% all the time and that's why Jesus Christ came and paid the price as the sacrifice for our sins. So, it's not the fact that we are keeping the laws -and commandments of God that's saving us- It's because of Go's grace but for the grace to kick in we have to keep the commandments of God win loving obedience.Otherwise why would God say "Be ye holy as I am holy" 1 Peter 1:16 Where do we get the idea- it's a done deal-we dont get an automatic passport to the kingdom of God when we accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour-) it's just the beginning The climax of our faith in faithfully keeping the commandments happens when we reach the John 3:2 stage Rom 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. For us to reach 1 John 3:2 stage, we have exert diligent effort to remain sinless- is there a chance we will fail! Yes we will - so does that mean we should have the attitude- we are going to sin at some stage anyway- so why bother? If we have this attitude then obviously we dont have faith in the name of Jesus Christ that God is perfecting us for when Jesus Christ returns and when we lose faith we are done- what proves that we believe in the name of Jesus Christ that God is actively working to transform us to prepare us for the kingdom 1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. God dwelling in by the Holy Spirit is doing an ongoing work in us- but please look at vs 3- "And every man that this hope in him (Christ in you the hope of glory) Would you say that the guy in vs 3- is keeping the commandments of God- of course "purifieth himself" -aldo definitely keeping the 10 commandments (7th day sabbath included- no exemptions) But also notice and this is very important- "as man "purifieth"- remaining sinless- God - Jesus Christ are sancifying us and purifying us so that when we meet Jesus Christ because of our love for God- evidenced by us keeping the commandments of God (1 John 5:3) it is then we are transformed. (John 15:5) vs 2 We are fully transformed (grace and miracle of God) in an instant when wwe see Jesus Christ (grace of God) after we are resurrected (the first resurrection) So you can see the order in which it happens- when we sin, we repent, when we repent, we are forgiven (grace and mercy) when we are forgiven (absolute grace of God-amazingly God sees us in the same light as Jesus Christ) The blood of Jesus Christ covering those who repent from all sins- small and big (no sin is excused- so we need to get this mindset of God- there is no shades of sin with God) so you definitely cannot say- God has not been absolutely gracious and mercifully- right! Now look at vs 4 where God emphasises what sin is - despite being extremely gracious vs 4- sin is the transgression of the law (includes 7th day sabbath keeping commandment What is the result of unrepented sin which is not forgiven? This is what really concerns me that well meaning christians are going to get absolutely horrified because as far they are concerned they did so many good things and have repented of their sins Matt 7: 21 Not every one (christians) that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will( keeping all the laws and commandments of God) of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you (you did not have a continuing relationship with me): depart from me, ye that work iniquity.(sin which is translated lawlessness- refer to James 2:10 James 2:10 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, (ignoring the 7th day sabbath) he is guilty of all (it's like breaking every commandment equals lawlessness Summary: Please note (1) God's grace and mercy- (Yes-I am telling you so many times- if it was not for God's grace, we wouldnt even be able to keep the commandments It's because we believe that we are aware that we are sinners saved by grace that we lovingly keep God's commandments and we are assisted by the indwelling Holy Spirit- Remember Peter before and after the day of Pentecost ( the blood of Jesus Christ-Heb 9:22 there is no remission of sins without shedding of blood to forgive sins - The forgiveness of sins and God's grace and mercy is condtitional upon repentance. God's forgiveness of sins is meaningless for an unrepenant sinner (2) God doesnt expect you to be able to keep the commandments of God perfectly. He understands we are weak and will some point in time fall into sin however small. (For all have sinned) . This is why when we do sin, if we repent from the heart (not the head) then he is able to forgive us (1 John 2:2) (3) Therefore God does not emphasise keeping His commandments perfectly (nobody can) (1 John 2:2) rather that you keep His commandments faithfully to the best of your ability (Exodus 20) (4) The christian biblical sabbath has got nothing to with Judaism (1000's of man made traditions) way of keeping the sabbath (5) God provides the frame work-7th day -saturday- from sunset to sunset at whichever location you are within which you are free to use the 7th day sabbath for rest, worship, teaching and fellowship devoted to God So you may ask why do i feel that Sabbath will be lawless deed of many christians who will face the wwrath of God as in Matt 7:22 Surely there are so many other sins like you said pride and self exhaltation and people who think they are one up As i have told you there is no excuse for any kind of sin, dont worry because no one will escape and God knows everything and will judge fairly I must look at myself and ensure that I am without sin by God's grace and mercy But why you may ask am I saying that 7th day sabbath commandment be the downfall of many christians facting Matt 7:22 It's because that which you are not aware is sin (Exodus 20:8-11), you will not repent of and will take it with you to your coffin- (It is appointed for man to die and then judgement How can you repent of something that you cannot see as sinful. This is the dangerous for a christian. Satan knows it and wants as many christians as possible to remain ignorant so they go to their deaths unaware of this so they will face the wrath of God. 7th day Sabbath commandmen (ancilliary law- remember- we were discussion- they point to the main commandment) Nevertheless t is part of the covenant law and those who ignore it are breaking God's commanment and what do they do they observe sunday or any other day (mans traditions- satan's stronghold to corrupt God's word and His laws and His commaanment Also just to let you know, God didnt reset the calendar. How do i know this? God said, "I am the same yesterday, today and forever- Heb 13:8 As i mentioned to you sometime ago, God numbered the days- 1st day, 2nd day,...........7th day. and how do you think, man kept a track f the days before the babylonian, julian and gregorian calendar came into effect. The bablonians simply adopted the same "calendar system" that was in existence- ist day, 2nd day................) How do you think there was a common language they all spoke pre babel days- did man sit down and invent it himself-?and how did the different languages came about- God confused the people building the tower of babel and got them speaking different languages Before that they were all speaking one language. So isn't it conceivable that God's calendar was in force and pass down through the generations until the modern day calendar gave pagan names to the days Twinky, I have answere why we can be sure that the 7th day sabbath is the original 7th day creation of God - i.e raining manna on the 6h day but you still havent answered my two questions- Could you please answer and as you have said answering questions would be a better way of discussing things. Please refer to my previous post and answer the 2 questions at the end Regards Waxit You asked me about grace of God- I have explained it above
  15. I am not as bad as i made myself sound- the reason why I said that -after becoming a christian when was In the US When I came back to my home country, I just completely ignored God and went back to sin just like any other young worldy person I wouldnt consider myself as a criminal and was not in trouble with the law as such.But after my horrid experience wwith twi was a big scar in my life It was when i was in spiritual wilderness -that God felt my pain and heard my cry I will not share it on the public forum on gsc again but i dont mind sharing it in your inbox Twinky, it looks likes you are gone back to being evasive and site stepping- so if you could answer just one simple question without going to another rabbit hole- we can end the sabbath debate between us. Please do not quote sections of my post on what i am saying. and making comments, because it will only prolong the debate which is going to be pointless for both of us It looks likes after all he questions you had, I haveanswered and it is quite evident to me that you are never going to see how disobeying the specific 7th day sabbath is a sin so thats where the issue is and because you dont see it as important as not lying and stealing so I am going to be winding down to just 1 or 2 more conversations (max) with you and then I am done with public forum in gsc - So dont worry you dont have to put up with me anymore and i dont have to waste huge amounts of time if someone doesnt see the significance of the sabbath and willingly come forward -it will also be very unproductive To recap the type of questions you have asked where you felt 7th sabbath is unimportant and how I have answered: You didnt understand why it's a big deal that it's got to be 7th day God is specific as to which day of the week is to be the sabbath- Read Exodus 20:8-11 sabbath as you already keep sabbath on another day of the week If God was no patricular which day- He wouldnt specify 7th day of the week This is covenant law of God with the church- A covenant law which comes with a promise by God cannot be revoked (you cannot add to it (nominate some other day for sabbath or subtract meaning you ignore keeping the 7th day sabbath You asked me about land sabbath rest - how it will be unfair for other I answered you- land sabbath if planned properly a good agricultural principle people having to work just so christians can observe this commanment and God perits other type of occupations when land is fallow You asked about Exodus 20: 10 how it would be impossible to ensure that the whole town I answered you letting you know that the word town is actually is keepping sabbath " within thy gates" in the original greek translation which means it's under your area control to ensure complliance You said sabbath is for the old testament and doubtful whether the disciples of Jesus Christ The verse below in Mark 16:1 shows you that the sabbath was not really paid much attention to sabbath only being kept in the new testament, it slam dunks your idea that 7th day sabbath is unimportant Jesus own disciples- skipped anointing the body of spices of their beloved Lord to honour the 7th day sabbath keeping commandment- so if that doesnt tell you how importanant 7th day sabbath keeping is in the new testament- I dont know what will Mark 16 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. (The disciples of Jesus Christ delayed the embalming of their precious Lord Jesus Christ with sweet spices just because they wanted to honour the 7th day sabbath commandment How about that- does that not tell you the importance of sabbath keeping commandment post crucifixion) Sabbath is also mentioned 10 times in the book of Acta You asked how sure am i that the original 7th day sabbath is the saturday of our ppresent day calenday Please refer to my previous post to you and for a much clearer explanation Go to this website link: https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/how-can-we-be-sure-that-saturday-is-the-seventh-day I dont belong to this chucrch but they give a very good explanation to your query Could you please directly answer the question below so I have a good idea of why you think 7th day sabbath is insignificant or unimportant? Do not ask me any more questions because I have already aswered enough- (pay special attention to words in bold) Question: If you are going to argue against the 7th day sabbath commandment in the 10 commandments Do you mean to say, it is also not insignificant and unimportant if we continue to lie, steal and covet neighbours goods Why single out only the sabbath commandment as being unimportant ? Waiting for your answer so we can wind up sabbath discusssion Regards Waxit
  16. Do you think God who created the heavens and the earth and who established weeks, days and months in Genesis will know when the original seventh day right after 6 days of creation would be. Of course, he would know. He know the number of hairs on your head right now So even If the Sabbath was somehow lost between the creation of the world and by the time the 10 commanment were given God knowing when the original seventh day was, would rained manna on on the sixth day so the children of Israel can relax and enjoy the food on the seventh without having to go out and gather food) So God was the original calendar authority- and the children of Israel were observing the original seventh day (courtest of God who establised the 7th day week and gave it to the children of israel. All that time - it was day I,2,3,4,5,6,7 and then start back again. If the children of Isreael ever forgot, during the time of Moses, when they saw manna from the skies, would have known that the was the sixth day Do you think after 40 years of weekly manna from the skies on the sixth day by God- it would have been etched in the jewish mind as to which day the 7th day of the week corresponding to the orginal 7th day creation Exodus 16 4 Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. 5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily I hope this answers your question as to when the original seventh day is For a clearer explanation of how after the children of Israel, how with the advent of gjulian anr gregorian calendar, the original seventh day of the week was retained please go here: https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/bible-questions-and-answers/how-can-we-be-sure-that-saturday-is-the-seventh-day If after looking at the clear info at the above website, you still doubt that the original 7th day is the same as from beginning og creation, then i would be convinced that you are just looking for n exit clause to disobey the 7th day sabbath commandment please do not ask me again about this same original 7th day issue- I am tired of explaining it to you over and over again Regards Waxit
  17. Ok! let's not argue anymore- about this is that and that is that- it is never ending. You are trying to talk louder than me by telling me nothing new (nothing that i dont already know of- you are just jumping into another rabbit hwole bwy saying- nah! nana nena- you cant catch me My understanding of God is all what you have described and more- You only speak about mercy, love and compassion and all that but you never delve into the fiery judgement of God that He has warned us against so we can be on guard. 1 Peter 4:17 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 2 Peter 2:4 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; If God can show you mercy for violating the law and being unrepentant than as a just God- He will also have to pardon the devil- How do you like that? The only reason why the devil cannot be pardoned is because he will neve repent- It's the same position that you will get into if you dont repent What did Jesus Christ who was very merciful and compassionate say to sinners- "did he say dont worry continue in your sins because God is merciful He said "repent" for the kingdom of God is at hand. Mercy from God to forgive comes conditional with repentance. How is God to wash awy the sins if there is wno repentance. We are talking about sin- we are not talking about feeding the hungry What did John the Baptist say- "Repent" - Forgiveness and mercy is conditional upon repentance What did Peter the Apostle say, "Repent and be baptised?- Being accepted into the kingdom of God comes after repentance So in light of that, Have you repented for not obeying the 4th commandment of God- "To keep the 7th day sabbath for all these years" - No! I dont think so -from what wyou have been saying How can you if you cannot even admit that you are in direct violation of the 4th commandment? Repentance is required for God to forgive and show mercy Thiis is why Jesus Christ came to pay the price for our sins- Having paid the price- we sinners then accept Him as our saviour and lord and in doing so repent from our sins. What did Jesus Christ say to the woman caught in adultery,whom he saved from stoning- Did he say, dear, continue in your sins, it's ok- God understands your need He said, Go and sin no more (repentance) Twinky, I think you havent repented from violating the 4th commandment because you dont it as sin- I can understand that when someone cannot see or refuse to admit it as sin, they wont be able to repent Where there is no repentance, there is no forgiveness from God and when then there is no forgiveness, your relationship with God is cut off Is it so hard for you to keep the 7th day sabbath - that you keep looking for excuses why you can get away with it I can understand it if it the 7th day sabbath is a casual mention of God but it isnt? It's a mandated covenant law that's etched in stone and for Christians who keep all the commandments of God it's going to be written in the hearts of men and woman who keep the commandments of God My understanding is that mercy from God is so great, I cannot fathom or comprehend it and that's why I will always be in love with God and be completlely obedient to God and His commandments God doesnt sugar coat us when he warns us of the fiery judgement that's coming. The fear of the Lord (absolute respect for God and His word-His commandmens) is the beginning of wisdom Obviously, the verse below that I am quoting hasnt sunk into your head Hebrews 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, You dont have to waste your time replying to this post because i know you will just go down yet anothe rabbit hole Let's one answer just answer scripture verses directly and leave it at that maybe in answering my quesions, you can show me something that I have never looked at it that way before
  18. I dont wish to share my personal life in public forum- if you want I can inbox you- provided you lock box it because it is none of any one else's business
  19. I wish I could agree with you that we will all be ok- i would be the happiest person on earth do my best and let God take care of the rest- everyone wants to believe that but the question, is that the truth? Look! it's not about me- I couldnt really give a hoot about me or what i have done- believe i am not boasting not taking any credit- I was one of the worst sinners- I paid th price once I didnt pray to God for his approval and copped a huge price- after years os heart ache- i cried out to him- i didnt fall on anyone's lap- I went to God directly You have to understand God- He has revealed who He is Whatever you said about Him is true- I dont deny that- but PAY ATTENTION NOW- He is a God of Justice- is this going over your head? I hope not I know we all sinned and Jesus Christ paid a huge price- but we repented and God through the sacrficial lamb of God -Jesus Christ forgave us. God found a way to get us out of death and translated us into the kingdom of His dear son, Jesus Christ Earlier i told you about the new covenant- it's not a joke- if we dont keep the commandments Did God ask you to be perfect- when he said "be ye holy for i am holy" no- he knows we are not going to be perfect. All he said is, "keep my commandments including 7th day sabbath" Are you keeping it? No! You are willfully ignoring it week in and week out Please- you do not have to reply to me - just mediatate on this and let it soak into your conscience you gain nothing by arguing with me- its a wwaste of time- it's midnight here- I hope you understand- that i wont be doing this if i didnt feel very very very strongly- I have given every other person on gsc If you think i am scaring you into believing- you are wrong- I am just requesting you to consider thescriptures below so that you will c=be concerned enough to go to God in prayer, prety soon I will be winding down on everybody on the public forum in gsc- I have already answered everything you could throw at me See if God will do a special bypass this one: Paul is talking to Christians like you and me -These jew christians came out of Judaism (man made traditions) and were slowly drifting back into judaism So if these guys are going to cop it heavily, what makes you think- God will wink you through- (It aint gonna happen) It's not a matter of doing your best - like doing you best to remain sinless- like not stealing, not lying (we all do this) Is God expecting you to do the perfect 7th day sabbath- No just to keep them- Are you doing it? No Ignoring the 7th day sabbath is something that you willfully do every week, week in and out- how many years now? Hebrews 10: 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,(Jesus Christ already paid the penalty for us) 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
  20. Fair enough- it's not always negative from you- sometimes you do ask questions- I was about to give up on you because it was heading no where and another rabbit hole Thank you for remaining calm with me and asking questions that concern you that can give definte pointers why God wants to keep the 7th day sabbath- If Jesus Christ sacrifice every drop of His blood , die a very shameful and cruel death- unimaginable torture - is it too much to ask to keep His 7th day commandment Exodus 20:8-11 Where did you ever get the idea that the 7th Sabbath day is for the OT only- that's what satan wants you to believe- a lie from the pit of hell believe I have already showed you how the disciples of jesus Christ- Mary Magdalene and the other woman honoured the 7th day sabbath even at the expense of not anointing Jesus Christ when they came to the tomb where Joseph Arimathea did a wonderful thing of wrapping the body of Jesus Christ carefully. They left because sabbath was approaching- they had to be back at sunset and they came back after sabbath- where was this? In the new Testament- when post crucifixion Did you now sabbath is mentioned in 10 times in the book of acts- i covered this but this has gone over your head because you have a strong anti sabbath stance? I will cover next time in Hebrews where there is no doubt at all- 7th day sabbath is the recommedned practise and you will see how strongly God wants us to keep the 7th day sabbath. Remind me in case i forget But I will answer your question below: I can only do my best and pray for you that God Himself will enlighten you: This is the last time- I will explain to you how the present 7th day of the week (saturday) is the original 7th day when God created the world and created the sabbath for man to enjoy fellowship with Him. Please keep this and chew over this and take it to God in prayer Explanation of why the 7th day of the week is our present saturday The seven day weekly cycle was established by God in Gen 2:1-2 and is not obscured and is not tied to patterns or alignment of stars, sun or moon. It is a continous serial counting of days one after another from the time God set it in motion -1st day of the week to 7th day of the week and it is unbroken till our present day. The fact that the days of the week have pagan names doesnt alter the sequence from 1st day- Sunday to 7th day Saturday The only calendar that people had from the time God set the weekly pattern was day 1 to day 7until the babylonians So the babylonians -the earliest civilization adopted this weekly cycle that people were used to this- initially it was day 1 to day 7 weekly cycle - which was was started by God to this present date. Later on the Bablonians began to number the months -1st month, 2 month,3 month to 12th and according to one complete solar cycle (365 days) according to the rotation of the earth around the sun- 12 months. I dont know what names they would have given to specific days but you can see even in the bible Nisan was the first month and it is the babylonian equivalent of what God called Abib Ezra the priest during the time of the jews in captivity in Babylon saw no need to change the jewish calendar and adopted the Babylonian calendar -All through this time- the 7th day sabbath is being kept From 46 bc upto 1582 ad- The western world adopted the Julian Calendar- This is when we got the eqivalent names of the days and months Sun day being 1st day (very important in the roman culture- sun worsip) through to Saturday (names after saturn) Saturday was Named after the Roman god and planet Saturn, Saturday is the only day of the week that retained its Roman origin in English Julian calendar was an improvement only on account of the fact in that it kept the months in sync with the season. The weekly cycle was still the same- 1st day to 7th day still the same In 1582 ad- the old Julian calendar which was 10 days out of sync with the solar system was replaced by the Gregorian calendar . which is what we have today, The Gregorian calendar removed the 10 days which was out of sync- so the chop was made on Thursday Oct 4, 1582 so the next day which was supposed to be Friday, Oct 5th 1582 became Friday, Oct 15th, 1582 so the weekly cycle was still the same from the time God started it to the present day- 1st day -Sunday to 7th day Saturday ****************************************************************************************************************************** If the above is not good enough, then I am sorry- I believe God is very wise, he wouldnt leave us wondering whether the seventh day that He commanded us to obey is still the original seventh day. You and I know God knows everything way before we come across the problem. What He commands us to do - he will ensure that we can work it out Did you all the rulers of this world- everyone is in God's control? God is in absolute control of everyhing but the one thing He will never do is to force us to believe something- we are not robots, he gave us free will choice as he gave Adam & Eve but they were deceived. Did He give them all the information they needed regarding the tree of life and the tree of good and evil? What makes you think he will do any less to whave wondering if our saturday is indeed the original 7th day. Of course not You roll your eyes too much and wonder abot what about this and what about that and everything else in the 100 billion galaxies that God created. Relax and pray to God, I say this to you sincerely with all my heart- do not let anyone put peer pressure to confirm what they want you to think- I know that I am the last person you will listen to - because sometimes I can be a bit "nasty" - God is still working on me to bring patience, His love- I was a complete wreck after the beasts at TWI but I thank God that He "opened" my eyes - i say this not to brag but just to attest that when someone cries out God- He is tender,loving and it is the real mccoy- I felt the presence of Jesus Christ- you can pooh pooh -all you like- no doubt many will read this- and be very sarcastic and no doubt flatter (peer pressure -satan will be actively working thru them so in some way you will continue to hold on and the tragedy is everyone will face judgement and the prognosis is not good for people who have willfully ignored the sabbath you so you allow yourself to be decieved- I have absolutely nothing to gain- believe it or not, if you are reading this, after all the mud slinging we had- I am reaching out to love- I am surprised that not one person has honestly gone to God- to spend time with me- in saying what if Waxit is right- what if i truly face Matt 7:22 I can only point to things but God the Father is the only that can open your eyes
  21. My friend- this is the last time ever, I will ever reply to you again - i mean it- you can go and on- you will not get another reply- no offence we can still share clean puny jokes but no more sabbath discussion wih you- so you are wasting your time by taking what i share with others have no idea what i share because you either ignore what i am saying- goes right over your head or you dint bother read it my replies in its entirety so make this the last time- i will skip anything you share- in fact i am winding down - i certainly wont be reading your replies Listen up and pay attention: (no offence- but you need to pay attention- or you will be asking me rabbit hole questions)- dont take it personnaly but it's annoying when people ask me things without understanding what the bible is saying- by all means use whatever software you are having to verify it for yourself and instead of undermining me and making me look like an idiot Your quote: Why do you feel it’s necessary to insert “(includes 7th day sabbayh)” in certain verses? First of all it's the wrong question- who am I to insert verses in what Gd has said- no one has the right to add or subtract from the bible verses- se revelation The question should be "why do you say it includes the 7th day sabbath" Whenever is refers to the commandments of God- it goes without saying that it is all the commandments of God including the love commandments and the 10 commandments -they are inter linked- I have been saying this over and over again- it's like talking to a wall Would you say when God says keep my commandments- it also means thou shalt not steal (of course that goes without saying) Would you say when God says keep my commandments- it also means thou shalt not lie- bear false witness (of course that goes without saying) Would you say when God says keep my commandments- it also means thou shalt not commit adultery (of course that goes without saying) Would you say when God says keep my commandments- it also means thou shalt not tell lies (of course that goes without saying) Would you say when God says keep my commandments- it also means thou shalt not worship other gods(of course that goes without saying) So in the same way: pay attention now Would you say when God says keep my commandments- it also means keep the 7th day sabbath keeping - 4th commanement??????????????? Your qute: How would you feel if someone inserted “(includes 7th day sabbayh)” in other verses like: “because by the works of the Law ( includes 7th day sabbayh) no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law (includes 7th day sabbayh) comes the knowledge of sin.” Romans 3:20 Please understand Rom 3:20 in the KJV and any other translation that says : the works of the law . The word "the" has already been erroneously been inserted by the translators. So, No -I dont have to feel anything.... The translators have already added it to confuse people like you and many others Rom 3:20 does not refer to the commandments of God- This is a major translation error that has confused a lot of christians The words "the" has been inserted twice by the translators not me- instead of works of law ( man made traditions) they have made it "the works of the law" so how can I tell? If you look it up in the original greek - Romans 3: 20 should be "works of law" man made traditions - original greek "nomos" If it was "the works of the law" (God's commandment) then original greek would be "tou nomos" So if you understand it correctly translated according to orignal greek- Romans 3:20 makes complete sense- I dont have to feel anything if clowns monkey around with the bible verses and you dont discern it- then of couse you are going to ge the wrong end of the stick So Romans 3: 20 “because by works of Law (includes all man made traditions- includes sunday keeping) no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law (God's commandments including 7th day sabbath- comes the knowledge of sin .” | So now Rom 3:20 makes perfect sense- by man made traditions, shall no flesh be justified - for through God's commanments- you will come to the knowledge of when you are sinning. So in this case by you keeping man's traditions- sunday keeping- when you compare it with God's commandments- that that says shoult keep the 7th day sabbath, you will see that you are sinning- week in and week out. The wages of sin is death- with no recognition of sin and repentance from sin, there is death in your relationship with God- That's baaadd news- but you are welcome to continuing ignoring the 7th day sabbath and one day face Matt 7:22- entirely up to you Sayonara and Asta La Vista- Dont waste your time replying- Ihave had enough of you- I certainly wont waste your time- you have exhausted your time corresponding with me Over and out Waxit
  22. You dont have to compliment me but you dont have to be indirectly snarky to me either- you cannot compliment twinky all you like but that doesnt mean she is necessarily right. It's just that she thinks the same way as you do so dont get smart with me ok, just because i have a different viewpoint
  23. This is absolutely incorrect- I have already shown you in detail why the original 7th day is still the saturday of our modern calendar which you have blissfully ignored (maybe you haven read the thread and that's why you keep harping on that it is impossible to know which day is the original 7th day of the week
  24. You are right- the big 10 commanement that you call statutory instruments doesnt override the greatest commandment/foundational laws -whatever you want to call it defines and establishes the foundational laws. Have a look at the bible verses that I am bringing to your attention again This is what I have been trying to tell you and your buddies in gsc again and again which is going right over your heads. You guys are not telling me anything new ( most of chrisianity including twi are saying the same thing about 7th day sabbath) Always remember that the commandments- include the 4th commandment- which is sabbath keeping on the 7th day not on any day that you want or your church has decreed In regards to your legal knowledge that the ancilliary statutory instruments defines and by implication establishes the main law take a good look at what the bible (God's authority) says through John the beloved apostle: 1 John 5: 3 3 For this is the love of God (greatest commandment), that we keep his commandments (staturory instruments) and his commandments are not grievous. ( God's precise commandments come to us for our benefit that we sin not) Does the day matter? Yes! Why because God said it? He has instituted this special day and time to meet with us from heaven. You dont believe it, I dont care what you believe. I go by God's word and God's word only Please examine what Paul one of the greatest apostles is saying: Romans 3:31 - (hopefully this verse wont go over your head- it woulnt suprise me if it did- because you wont be able to answer Rom 3:31) prove me wrong if you can) 31 Do we then make void the law (ignore the commandments -includes the 7th day sabbath commandment) through faith? God forbid (very strong language): yea, we establish the law ( we keep the commanments-incudes the 7th day sabbath commanement)- exactly like would you said above You guys have been telling me nothing new that i dont already know and nothing you guys have told me has gone over my head- remember i was where you are guys still are now until God opened my eyes and I can see clearly the relevance and significance of keeping the 7th day commandment because I love God with all my heart I am not going to question His wisdom or authority.
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