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  1. Hi Mark Please understand that you cannot be considered spiritual and in favour with God if you disrespect and consider insignificant what God has ordained as a significant day for rest and worship and fellowship (Sabbath) Saturday is universally recognised as the seventh day of the week. Sunday is recognised as the first day of the week. Dont you think what is important to Jesus Christ (Lord of Sabbath ) should be of utmost importance to you if you want Him to grant you a new spiritual body. Like you want His blessings but you disrect His 4th commandent (in the 10 commandments) - that doesn't make sense??? Trust me you have to change your attitude to one of meekness and obedience like Moses and become humble to God's word if you want his blessings. It's not what you think is important or what i think is important but what God thinks is important. If you consider yourself to be a true christian, then you must enquire- what God wants (its always the best for you and me ) and obey God's word as He clearly shows in the bible. Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. vw showed us this scripture but loaded us with a lot of cr_p Everday can be a spiritual day for you and me but there is a specific day that He has set aside for you and me as a sabbath so we will be rested and free of work distrctions (day of rest and fellowship with Him and with believers. God specifically set aside Saturday (the seventh day) as a day of rest and worship and fellowship in the heanvens right from the beginning when he began the work of creation Gen 2:2-3 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set aside): because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. and subsequentially confirmed it in writing (the finger of God) when He gave Moses the 10 commandments of God engraved in stone tablets Exodus 20: 8-11 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Mark which part of the above verses in the word of God, don't you understand?
  2. Twinky brought out a good point about physical Israel and spiritual Israel Alan, It doesnt mean that just because "God gave the sabbath to children of Israel (physical descendants of Abraham) that the sabbath doesnt apply to children of God (born again christians through the acceptance and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Born again christians are the spiritual Israel (born again christians who love God and will obey all God's commandments including all the 10 commandments Bear in mind the importance between the physical -fleshly nature of physical israel and the spiritual nature of born again Christians who believe and obey all the commandments of God Why is it important to obey all the commandments of God (including the 7th day sabbath) as the Israel of God (spiritual Israel) James 2:10 10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. physical Israel to whom the 10 commandments were given to by God through Moses represent the stock of Abraham's physical descendants If you say Allan,that according to your interpretation of Ex 31:13- you are not obliged to keep the sabbath -it applies to the nation of Israel of that era It's like saying - Moses presented and spoke the 10 commandments to the children of Israel- He didnt speak to me personally so it doesn't apply to me. So folowing that logic, you can steal, you can lie and you can commit adultery because the 10 commandments was not spoken to you directly or addressed to you personally so it doesnt apply to you. I am sure you know that's absurd The truth is the children of God (born again christians) are the spiritual Israel who have a greater responsibility than physical Israel (direct descendants of Abraham). Dont look at the sabbath as a burden or an inconvenience- if you do then you will be missing the point and be constantly finding an excuse People say that the love of God is the greatest commandment and that's all that matters. Ok! let's see what God specifies as "the love of God" 1 John 5:3 King James Version (KJV) 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandmentsss(plural-includes the 4th commandment- 7th day sabbath) and his commandments are not grievous. Let's look at what constitutes physical Israel and spiritual Israel and why spiritual Israel who enjoy the greatest blessing have the greater responsibilty in keeping the 7th day (sabbath) not 1st day of the week (sunday) Physical Israel (descendants of Abraham by physical birth) Genesis 28 13 And, behold, the Lord stood above it, and said, I am the Lord God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; 14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. Dust represents the physical nature of the israelitish generations - it is the physical multiplication of the seed of Abraham through normal physical birth. It does not require believing faith to be born into the lineage of Abraham" spiritual seed. Esau was a direct physical descendant of Abrahm through Issac but missed out on the blessings big time. Why? because he was ignorant and didnt care Being of the stock of Abraham like the pharisees who said we have Abraham for our father doesnt mean they will believe all the commandments of God by faith like Abraham and that's why Jesus Christ emphasisized the spiritual nature of Abraham. Genesis 15: 39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children (spiritual Israel who believe in faith and obey), ye would do the works of Abraham. What were the works of abraham? He believed God and obeyed even to the point where he was willing to offer Issac as a sacrifice Pharisees and religious people frequently bring in their own traditions (carnal flesh) and will oppose the commandments of God (spiritual) Spiritual Israel (descendants of Abraham by spiritual birth) Genesis 15 2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be (spiritual seed) 6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Notice physical israel is compared to dust- earthy- physical while spiritual Israel is represented as "the stars of heaven"- heavenly- kingdom of God-spiritual If we are truly born again christians by spiritual birth then we will toss aside man's traditions and believe and obey what God's word says. The devil knows if you keep obeying Man made traditions (sunday keeping) as opposed to sabbath keeping (7th day-Saturday) just on this point (James 2:10) then he will have great joy in knowing that you will miss out like Esau- ahh! what does it matter. Esau cried afterwards but did he repent. Noooo! We will not make excuses or find something that vaguely on the surface seemingly justifies our excuse which is what vw did with "one day esteemeth one day above another" so you can keep sunday (1st day of the week)- it doesnt matter who cares if God commanded the 7th day sabbath. I am sure people dont do this deliberately but ignorance is no excuse. We have the divinely inspired word of God right in front of us to guide us. Note the second part of Ex 31:13- it states that the sabbath is applicable to "you and your generations. The true believers to day are the spiritual Israel - they are the extensions of generations of the seed of Abraham who believe and obey (repented born again Christians by spiritual birth) If you read the whole of Galatians 3, you will understand that born again believers in Christ are the spiritual Israel - Spiritual Israel are believe who believe by faith the promises of God and demonstrate that by obeying the commandments of God Remember Abraham believed and it was accounted to him for righteousness Galatians 3: 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Romans 2: 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; (one who believes and obeys like Abraham) and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit (God's word and His commandments) , and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. Galatians 6: 8 8 For he that soweth to his flesh (mans traditions and works of the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit (word of God and the commandments of God) shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:16 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God (spiritual Israel) Jesus Christ said in John 6:63 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh (mans traditions) profiteth nothing: the words (the word of God in the bible) that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. (spiritual Israel- born again in Christ- who believe and obey) Though christians do believe and keep the greatest commandment- Love God with all your heart..... they ignore the 7th day sabbath - the 4th commandment of God and therfore disqualify themselves How do i know this? 1 John 5: 1-3 5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandmentssss (plural- all of God's word) and commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
  3. VW in disregarding the seventh day sabbath of Exodus 20: 8-11 is using Romans 14:5 as an excuse- pulling it out of context and iplies that it doesnt matter which day of the week that God has designated as a sabbath for rest, worship, teaching and fellowship. Every man can decide which day of the week he wants to come to fellowship. If that's the case why does the twigs, branches, limbs always automatically meet on a sunday Since when can man decide which day he wants to honour God's designated sabbath Folks, if you go back in history- in the early christian churches of God, there was no such thing as a sunday service, they always honoured the 7th day Sabbath i.e Saturday In fact for 400 years from the time of the early christian history, there was no such as a sunday gathering Read Acts 13:42 So where does the sunday(1st day of the week) exactly the opposite of what God has ordained originate from Read below attachement "Romes Challenge to the Protestants" VW is going against what ihe teaches about having the right context in order to rightly divide the word He goes into such detail about proving something relativelwy insignificant as in 4 crucified but when it comes to the very important sabbath which is part of the ten commandments given by God to Moses, he just glosses it over with a scripture taken out of context. The important 7th day sabbath as commanded by God Exodus 20:Romes Challenge to the Protestants.pdf 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: w wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Let's examine the scripture that vw used in over riding the 7th day sabbath Romans 14:2-5 Romes Challenge to the Protestants.pdf
  4. World's last chance are a bunch of whackos that will make everything complicated God never intentended for us to be in the twiligh zone regarding seventh day sabbath Go here for a simplified and clear explanation regarding the sabbath with the calculated hebrew calendar https://www.cbcg.org/calculated-hebrew-calendar-faq.html
  5. Can anyone tell me where i can find the post which states that vw did not really believe the word of God? This was why I think he was such a bold faced liar The article records the admissions in bullet form Thanks
  6. Yes i agree -This is the big mistake that most twi followers made- we should have researched VW and TW1 much earlier and we might have not gone through the heartach of clinging on to this clown. TW is a sinful cult that keeps you in bondage to a false ministry and it keeps you distracted with so many interesting things .e 4 crucified, 3 days and 3 nights etc that "wows" us and furthermore vw gives us scriptures like: Acts 17:11 [Full Chapter] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. We follow the logic that vw is full of integrity and because he is asking us to check the scriptures out. vw is a true wolf in sheep's clothing. He is falsely "attaching" his cleverly disguised falseness and plagiarism to the rock solid scriptures of God's word so we never the question the man who so "bravely" and "fearlessly" asking us to check the scriptures to check if it is true. There is nothing wrong with the scriptures- it's the spiritual idiot hiding behind the scriptures that stinks Matthew 7:20 King James Version (KJV) 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. By the time the rotten fruit of vw was known anywhere from 5-15 years, it would have shattered countless lives and left deep wounds and scars vw is a classic con artist- the devil would be so proud of him He makes steve martin and michael caine in the movie "dirty rotten scoundrels" look like amateurs
  7. A whistleblower is person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity. Since we really don’t have any details of the split or of what Peter W knew or didn’t know at the time – I am very hesitant to lay any “should-have-dones” on him. Back in the early days, having Bullinger’s and Kenyon’s books around the bookstore – it may have given the appearance wierwille had nothing to hide...keep in mind the type of folks in his sphere of influence might not have thought it was even such a big deal like we would think today - it's a matter of perception. And really, how many scholarly or academic-type folks did he attract anyway. Thanks T-Bone for clarifying. i forget that VW although he is a spiritual pig and a idiot, He is cunning like his father diabolos. PW's conduct under the circumstances was admirable and he did what so few if any did in leaving a false ministry. I wonder why VW didnt claim the prophetic ministry but just as a tacher. I guess people would have easily seen that he was lying through his teeth if he brought on any "direct" messages from God Thanks
  8. A whistleblower is person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity. Since we really don’t have any details of the split or of what Peter W knew or didn’t know at the time – I am very hesitant to lay any “should-have-dones” on him. Back in the early days, having Bullinger’s and Kenyon’s books around the bookstore – it may have given the appearance wierwille had nothing to hide...keep in mind the type of folks in his sphere of influence might not have thought it was even such a big deal like we would think today - it's a matter of perception. And really, how many scholarly or academic-type folks did he attract anyway. Thanks T-Bone for clarifying. i forget that VW although he is a spiritual pig and a idiot, He is cunning like his father diabolos. PW's conduct under the circumstances was admirable and he did what so few if any did in leaving a false ministry. I wonder why VW didnt claim the prophetic ministry but just as a tacher. I guess people would have easily seen that he was lying through his teeth if he brought on any "direct" messages from God Thanks
  9. Clearly, Wade was strong in his faith, goals and personal boundaries. He did not go into the corps program. Nor did he, it seems, allow wierwille to "set the hook" of joining wierwille's inner circle or yes-men club. If I understand this background correctly........Wade would have been 30 or 31 years old.....35 or 36 years old in 1970 with wife, Vivian, at his side and two children. Peter Wade wasn't some young buck looking to go corps and become a state/region coordinator. Wade was his own man. The above paragraph pretty much nails why Peter Wade very quietly and peacefully left. He must have seen too much of "monkeying around by VW and being a man of godly principles he did the right thing and left from a con artist who was all show- VW was exactly the opposite of what he potrayed in the pfal class. I don't know how someone can be such a shame faced liarr. I remember VW mentioning Peter Wade during the class and also also in writing in one of the books and it surprised me how come Peter Wade wasnt one of the generals in TW like how LCM and the other driver goat who licked VW's boots were being put in front. I thought maybe Peter Wade was instrumental asa one time help in the TW ministry and didnt think much about it. Unlike many of us trapped ones who were onfire conquering the world(this is how VW gets people fired up giving his students that they are going to be the movers and shakers in the world and then indoctrinate them through the pfal, intermediate and advanced class. and for the more ambitious the way corp, PW made the right move right from the start- He saw the religious cr__p and wasnt sucked in like many of us who depended on some goon called VW to "teach" us how to rightly dvide the word of God and do mighty exploits. The one thing that PW should have done when he was out of VW's range should have been to be a whistle blower and prayed to God how he can disrupt the false ministry of VW. We read in the New Testament- how Jesus Christ and Paul when he was converted confronted the false teachers of the day speaking the truth. It's one thing to come out from the lions den to save your skin and remain pure but it's another thing to inform the world about a developing false teacher and cult that is going to trap thousands and thousands of young people and and cause huge physcologial and emtional scars in their lives. PW would have been in a perfect position to be a whilstle blower because he wasnt part of the ruling hierachy and he wasnt jostling for power. I wonder if he tried to- If PW ganged up with the people like Bullinger or Kenyon and took VW to court for plagiarising and Do you think VW would have a grand success in rolling the PFAL indoctrination wagon into town?
  10. Hi Allan It's Gabriel from way back to TW in New Zealand Yes- I have no idea why i stuck on to The Way for 5 long years All i can say is I had been totally brain washed by a devious VPW and in my opinion TW traps people and makes them feel guilty if they ever wanted to leave. Apart from a few people like you I never saw love in TW and it felt like a gestapo- I dont know why i never spoke up and why I never got out of it. I know that when Alan was in the way corps with his family, TW had already been bad mouthing so badly about Alan among the people in NZ so that nobdy would believe him when he opened up on the truth - It was all control, force and compliance and they always use scriptures that backed up what TW and the enforcers wanted- TW interpretation of scriptures for instance how a good soldier of The Lord is always validated when you follow what they want- Because if you don't then you miss out on salvation- Get that logic- Thats why it's a dangerous cult and once you opt to live in a way household then you are further mind controlled The instructions come from the top and filters down and I think behind your back, they keep tabs on you. If anyone has got allan's contact details- I believe he is currently in Australia. I would appreciate if you could let him know that I can be contacted via greasespot or through my face book- just type in Gabe Doraisamy or let me know how I can get in touch with Allan
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