Waxit

What makes you doubt that Twinky has a brain previously Perhaps you should check yours for doubting others just because they hold a different view

I will be pretty soon gone from gsc- if people want to communicate with me - they can pm me The public forum is a waste of my time- just invites people to nit pick and poke comments against me You cannot be a part of the covenant relationship with God under the new covenant if you do not keep all of God's commandments. People who ignore the 7th day sabbath miss out on the new covenant relationship with God in Christ But for the last time Rocky, i will tell you whether it means anything to you or not if you refuse to keep any of God's commndments not just the love commandments - any of God's commandment including the 7th day sabbath, you do not have a relationship with God 1 John 2:3 He that saith, I know him (false relationship), and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. The sabbath keeping commandment is especially important in regards to a relationship with God Whether you understand or not - I am going to let you know the importance of "keeping all the commandments" including the 2 greatest commandments - the 10 commandments (including te 7th day sabbath keeping commandment) A covenant law is such that in return from the promise of God,we on our part accept to keep all his commandments I am thankful that when and if i do fall into sin upon sincere repentance, Galatians 3:29 King James Version (KJV) 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. God first made a covenant with Abraham- Jesus Christ was the promised seed- God also showed Abraham the stars in the heaven (spiritual seed -spiritual descendents of faithful Abraham and like Abraham, we keep all the commandments of God under the new covenant relationship in Christ (christians) Since we who are in Christ are the spiritual seed of Abraham A covenant law is irrevocable since it is by promise- the condition in which the promise is activated is we keep our part of the deal by keeping the commandments of God We cannot add to it- (by keeping sunday as the sabbath) or subtract from it by ignoring the 7th day sabbath. Christians miss out on the relationship with God when they willfiully or ignorantly do not keep any of God's commandments. In this case the 7th day sabbath keeping commandment week in week out

God's story- The truth of God's word is more important. My story is simply this I read the book called "God's plan for salvation: - I meditated on the bible verses which i either never understood before or never seen before and it hit me like a ton of rocks spiritually I repented because i could clearly see what God's word is showing me This is my story- what more can I tell you

I feel that we are not getting anywhere twinky- if you want to find reasons why sabbath is insignificant, you will find them and we will be debating on this till the cows come home. I have done all i can but it seems some of the things I have said just goes over your head. If i say this, you will say that, if i say that, you will say some thing else- it continues without examining the point i am making and researching- it like's the ostrich that buried it's head in the sand- I dont see it (no offence- but it's not getti ng through to you) As i said earlier in light of bible verses in Exodus 20:8-11 and 1 John 3:4 and Matt 7:22, you will have to look on why sabbath is important and significant not the other way around- which is what you are doing where you constantly look for ways to argue your way out of the sabbath. If that's the way you want it, then go ahead, believe it you seem to belittle the 4th commandment- by saying the two greatest commandments are love your God and love your neighbour I am showing you that God is saying in 1 John 5:3 what the love of God is- i.e we keep His commandments (I dont how many times i have higlighted this for your attention) it doesnt seem to be having any effect at all) instead of focussing on this 1 John 5:3 to see why sabbath is significantly important, you start debating about architecture and statutory law I am not as good as you Twinky in finding out "legal loopholes- but the day will come when in front of Jesus where you will not have any loopholes Try arguing with Jesus like all the other christians who thought sabbath was insignificant Matt 7:22 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness) What is inquity? Iniquity is sin and What is sin? Good question - see verse below 1 John 3:4 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the trangression of the law (includes the 7th day sabbath) I may not be able to debate on you statutory law and what not but did you know Jesus Christ- the cornerstone is also called "The Lord of the sabbath" Shouldnt that indicate to the importance of the Lord of the Sabbath You completely ignored and side stepped again my comment on what Jesus said, "Sabbath was made for man" Why would God create the sabbath for man if it was going to be unimportant and insignificant" Just because the 2 greatest comandments are love God with all your heart and love your neighbour but does that necessarily mean that you can ignore the sabbath (4th commndment of God). How about stealing- thoult shalt not steal, why dont you count that as insignificant post crucifixion as well? So according to your argument that sabbath is a minor or "insignificant law" dependent on Loving God with all your heart Does that mean that sabbath has become insignificant???? No! You keep the sabbath because you love God. Keepingthe sabbath including the rest of the 9 commandments wih honesty and love is proof that you love and honour God (1 John 5:3). You asked for proof that the apostles and Jesus disciples place the same importance on sabbath post crucificion Well! try and argue your way around this one where it clearly shows the disciples placing the same importance in observing the sabbath. I wouldnt be surprised if you did a side step on this one Mark 15 42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, ( notice sabbath was approaching and in honouring sabbath-- a rest day they wanted to take down his body for burial 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. 44 And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead. 45 And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where he was laid.( so they could be back as soon as sabbath was over) Mark 16 1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. (The disciples of Jesus Christ delayed the embalming of their precious Lord Jesus Christ with sweet spices just because they wanted to honour the 7th day sabbath commandment How about that- does that not tell you the importance of sabbath keeping commandment post crucifixion) Could you please answer these questions below so I can see that you are not being evasive pay special attention to words in bold Question 1: Tell me something, why do you continually against 7th day sabbath keeping when the above verses show the importance of sabbath keeping and you have no biblical proof of the sabbath's insignificance. I have already explained your land sabbath contention and "within your towns/cities" argument of Ex 20:10 If you are going to argue against the 7th day sabbath commandment in the 10 commandments Do you mean to say, it is also not insignificant and unimportant if we continue to lie, steal and covet neighbours goods Why single out only the sabbath commandment as being unimportant post crucificixion?

Why dont you keep going and read further - the next verse Matt 22: 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Does verse 40 say- just do the 2 greatest commandments and forget about the rest????. - I dont think so- that's not wwhat verse 40 is saying- it's saying that all the laws and commandments hang on the foundation which is love God with all your heart and love your neighbour. Come on- if went to live in a house- would you lop off the house from the foundation upwwards- no roof nothing -just only the foundation is there- sleep on the floor under open skies Of course- you need the whole house- and Jesus gives the whole picrture in vs 40 - On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Let me show howin what ways God is clewarly indicating a christian keeps the sabbth and also now that we have got the whole picture Twinky - let's delve what God says proves that you love God biblically 1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments (includes 7th day sabbath): and his commandments are not grievous He is even telling us further His commandments are grievious- would you consider loving God, grievious- no! we love God but some of his commadments like sabbath is for some people burdensome so God is saying his commandments are not grievious If your father gave you a car- does he have to tell you, Twinky drive it- before you will drive it No! of course not- it is understood- you will thank you- take the keys and drive it Jesus clearly said- "the sabbath was made man" Why would God go to all the trouble of creating the sabbath for man if it is unnecessary It is for man to keep the sabbath and enjoy the sabbath as God intented it - freedom from the world, devoted to God a special day that He has commanded for our own benefit

my friend - the words in red refers to pagan religious feasts not christian at all when i said "religious activity" i meant pagan religious activity- nothing to do with sabbath- pagans at that time had nothing to with sabbath context is christian converts who were former pagans- the issue was about food One last shot go to this link https://rcg.org/questions/p085.a.html and give it some thought: I don't belong to this church but I do believe they give a good explanation of the context "One man esteemeth one day" has got nothing to with sabbath or pagan holidays- it has got to do with the pagan practise of eating particular food on certain days- whether vegetarian or meat If you still cannot see what I am saying and what is being said and come to the conclusion: that it is referring to sabbth so be it- believe what you want to believe Let's just be friends- let's not go on about sabbath anymore- as i told you- no one can convince you of sabbath 7th day sabbath keeping is a spiritual decision and can only come from spiritual discernment> Let's just stop here- I am pretty sure that even if you went to the link above- it will make no difference and you will still maintain that Paul was talking about the sabbath. | You are welcome to belive want you want to believe, just dont talk to me on the 7th day sabbath keeping cmmandment any more Sayonara- if you have any "puny" jokes by all means. I am pretty sure I will be winding down on gsc bible discussions Regards Waxit

Let's see who is evasive You have asked to explain Land sabbath- Iand how it's not practical to keep the land fallow and rested in the 7th year- I have explained it you have asked to explain Exodus 20:10- how's it's impractical for someone to be responsible for sabbath keeping in the whole "town"- (most versions say it's gate and the greek translation is "within the gates" - I have explained it I have asked you to explain: 1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments(includes 7th day sabbayh): and his commandments are not grievous. You have not explained it (So who is being evasive???) I have asked you to explain: John 14: 21 He that hath my commandments,(includes 7th day sabbayh) and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. You have not explained it (So who is being evasive???)

Actually you will have to prove why sabbath is insigficant in light of what God is clearly saying in the bible Just to set the record straight in regards to your comment above - you are right there are many verses that "appear" to present something different. The operative word being "appear" but every one of them has been proven to be either out of context/ not atually related to sabbath keeping or translation error when compared to the original greek. In light of the clear commandments from God (The ultimate authority)in Exodus 20:8-11, you should look for reasons why 7th day sabbath is important God clearly says in: 1John 2::3-4 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.(includes 7th day sabbath keeping) 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments (includes 7th day sabbath keeping) , is a liar, and the truth is not in him. I dont think you will be able to answer the above scriptures if you keep sunday (man made traditions) God's 4th commandment in the 10 commandments is very specific- the 7th day God never commanded sunday keeping. There was a special day, he sancified and created for mankind for man to devote time with Him (God) in rest, worship and fellowship and that is the 7th day sabbath (saturday-7th day of the week)

I am answering your questions Twinky- I am not nit picking- I am answering your quesions- after i have answered your questions remember it's your turn to answer my questions- to be fair

Look vpw- had a vey cunning way of getting people to believe him by hiding behind the word of God in a deceitful way I dont do that so dont compare me with vpw- he talks about integrity but himself is full of bs wwhat vpw says go here and see for yourself but when it comes to stuff that he doesnt want people to know or ignorant of for instance sabbath- he just takes it at face value or out of context- for instance one man esteemeth one day above another but when he wants someone to change their opinion on a generally accepted principle- he goes into detail - like reading it in context and all that- he's a very sly sewer rat I know that the calendar didnt exist in day #1 from the beginning of creation when the calendar system started with the earliest babylonian civilization- they simply adopted what God had set up day 1 to day 7 - it just continued that way. I suggest you google and do research on it- i am not the authority on calendars the days were given names and the months wwere given names once the roman calendar system started after the babylonian calendar systen- this is mu understanding the romans started giving names so day 1- came o be called sunday- day of the sun in the english version- the day the pagans nominated as the day for sunworship day 7 the sabbath day commanded by God came to be called saturday in the english version- agian this is my understanding If you are going to be rude with me again- i will simply ignore your posts ok- i am trying to be helpful and patient as i can- i cannot assume that people will know everything- if you look at how i worded the sentence "you know about the book of daniel right? I dont mean to put you down I am just confirming that you know the book of daniel right and you are aware of the fact that he enquired with God right and for you to consider the fact that christians who have the indwelling Holy Spirit can talk to God If you are going to pick a fight with me for every little thing - then i will just say goodbye

I am looking in bible hub now It looks like most versions are saying; it's gates rather than towns- These are just the first few versions that came up - whether it's towns or gates- it's important to get it translated of what it means in original greek- The greek language is pretty accurate while the english translators sometimes just monkey around and that's why we cannot tell the difference until we check in the greek interlinear or lexicon etc New International Version but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. King James Bible But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: Darby Bible Translation but the seventh day is the sabbath of Jehovah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy bondman, nor thy handmaid, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates. World English Bible but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates; Young's Literal Translation and the seventh day is a Sabbath to Jehovah thy God; thou dost not do any work, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, thy man-servant, and thy handmaid, and thy cattle, and thy sojourner who is within thy gates, -- I wouldnt be surprised if the word "towns" might be translated into gates in the original greek It would be really difficult to enforce the sawbbath in a place where you dont have a control as in an individual household. However sabbath in those days in the israeli township is if i am not mistaken a religious and civil law much like friday mosque prayers are for the islamic middle east. So if that's the case- yes 7th day sabbath keeping can be a rule of law When i go to strongs lexicon- this is what i get? within אֲשֶׁ֥֣ר (’ă·šer) Pronoun - relative Strong's Hebrew 834: 1) (relative part.) 1a) which, who 1b) that which 2) (conj) 2a) that (in obj clause) 2b) when 2c) since 2d) as 2e) conditional if your gates. בִּשְׁעָרֶֽ֔יךָ‪‬ (biš·‘ā·re·ḵā) Preposition-b | Noun - masculine plural construct | second person masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 8179: 1) gate 1a) gate (of entrance) 1b) gate (of space inside gate, i.e. marketplace, public meeting place) 1b1) city, town 1c) gate (of palace, royal castle, temple, court of tabernacle) 1d) heaven To me within your gates- i.e space inside, implies somehting that is within your control God would never expect you to command sabbath keeping over an area that you do not have control of. only within your gates where you have control I will get back to you on the land sabbath- that's a tricky one Regards Waxit

I am not judging them. i am just saying they dont keep the biblical sabbath that's all If the God of the bible says turn up on saturday, if you are going to honour him, will you turn up on sunday? So they are pefrectly entitled to keep their sunday sabbath but it's not what the God of the bible wanted- right heart but wrong day appointment was made

God still loves you no matter - He even tells us to love our enemies (You are not an enemy to me-please don't take it the wrong way) but God is also a God of Justice

which version are you using- the kjv simply says gates. I would assume these are people within one's household

I shall get back to you on this twinky- i need to do some research so give me some time - I can tell you one thing though that one of the reasons is you maybe sticking to the strict interpretations of the judaism (religion og the pharisees- man made traditions) but you have quoted bible verses that i need to examine- srange i dont know if you are responsible for the whole town- where did you get that from- anyway, let me look into it after i give you an explanation for this, will you then explain your understanding of the 2 bible verses i quoted that i asked for you to explain

Sorry Rocky! I meant to say I honestly dont know what God thinks? Do you? He will be able to figure out exactly what i am thinking but i wont be able to figure out what he's thinking not in a miilion years- make that all of eternity

If you read Lev 23:32 carefully, you will see at the end as to when "a" sabbath starts and ends Lev 23:32 32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath Ask twinky for the thread where i explained how the seventh day of the weekly cycle continued from day 1 when god created the world- it was later that when the babylonial calendar- seventh day was always the seventh day and then when theromans introduced it, the seventh day was named after the planet saturn and the 1st day which was pagan worship of the sun was called by the pagans sunday devoted to the sun so the protestant world coninued on worhsippiing on a day that was devored to sun worship contrary to God's commandment to sabbath on the seventh day- mordern day it's called saturday. The pagan claimed sun day and God created the last day-saturday as the day of sabbath- he sanctified it as a special day for His people Also, my comments ask God was not a copout because I honestly don't know. Do you think I have a master key to ener God's mind- you have to be kidding so you may think you can figure out God- that's your opinion but i honestly dont But people can pray to God and get answers- Go and read Daniel and see how he enquired of God and god gave him an answer You know about Daniel right

Why don't you ask God?

Look I didnt write the bible- this maybe a question you want to ask God. I understand God's directions from the bible and choose to obey Him rather than go be the traditions of man- i.e keeping the sabbath on sunday which is not commanded anywhere in the bible You can choose whatever you want If you read Exodus 20:8-11- it clearly tells you the sabbath is to be kept on the 7th day of the week (saturday) It is to be kept from sunset to sunset- so it starts at sunset9whatever sunset time is in their area) on friday and ends on sunset on saturday (Leviticus 23:32) The above is the biblical sabbath that God commands If you want more information how this is worked out in the bible, go to: https://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-resources/article-library/id/915/when-does-the-sabbath-start

Yes- no problem - this is all private beween you and God- you dont have to share anything with me here on gsc or anywhere Of course you know you can be honest with God directly. You will see why i asked you the question- i was not being judgemental because the bible says that 'all have sinned and come short of the glory of God Ok! you asked what are the consequences of someone not keeping the 7th day sabbath The simple answer is a breakdown in relationship with Jesus Christ which is pretty devastating for christians and that's why I took the 4th sabbath keeping commandment very seriously because it' the same level of importance as not stealing, not lying Yet most christians all over the world ignore the 7th day sabbath 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, ( and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. This scripture below really troubled me and I didnt want to be one of the christians that Jesus would ultimatel rebuke and reject Matthew 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, (christians)shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father (laws & commandmens of God which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, (christians)have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? (These are christians that may have done more than me or you and yet they were cast out- Why? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you (no relationship as far as the lord was concerned): depart from me, ye that work iniquity.(iniquity is translated lawlessness =not compliant with the whole law (includes the 4th day sabbath keeping commandment) Have i answered your question Rocky I guess this is sayonara- you probably will not want to talk to me anymore Hopefully we can still be friends- to be honest, i didnt like you in the beginning but the fact that you genuinely wanted to understand the sabbath caught my attention and since then you have made it easier for me to explain without worrying whether you will bite - so far i havent seen any adverse comments directly to me- other than agreeing with other people in a polite way and also I didnt have any expectations from you and i knew what you will decide but because you asked i was willing to share- just want to let you know, contrary to what you have read on gsc i dont belong to any specific church and I am not a member of any cult (I know how a cult works) just friends who i keep in touch with online Maybe we can share how vpw conned and brainwashed people- so people are aware whats your experience as to why you think you fell for the indoctrination by the twits Regards Waxit

They dont keep the 7th day sabbath (saturday) as commanded by God in Exosus 20:8-11

I agree that the 7th day sabbath keeping is not a common view in gsc- as a matter of fact, it's not a coomon view for the whole world so it's not surprising that most of christendom and chosen to ignore it. I have written to you so many scriptures that clearly shows the importance of the sabbath So to cut the story short- can I ask you the main reason why you believe that sabbath is insignificant quote me bible verse- one at a time and then i will answer it briefly The answeres that i gave before when i was excited to share was too long winded so your question backed up wwith scripture and we will go from there - one objection at a time with a bible verse so we can see if you have a legitimate biblical reason to disregard the 7th day sabbath keeping

I apologise if i have offended you. I am apologising because the bible says that if your bro/sis has been offended- go and make peace first I didnt mean to offend you as I have explained- you have totally, totally misread and misunderstood me Dont know if you read my earlier reply Regards Waxit

Hey chill out Ok! the example i used is not in reference to you because I know you have been courageous to take your stand against wrong doings by twits leadership so don't take it personally I was just using an example - that doesnt apply to you- as i told you have done well in opposing and disagreeing to bad rubbish at twits Ok! let me use another example so you will understand One of God's 10 commandments says - thou shalt not steal (no reference to you) How many different points of view can a person have? If something is pitch black in colur- it's black -it cannot be white or yellow In the same vein of thought, the 4th commandment to keep the sabbath is pretty black and white and i am prepared to answer the anti sabbath bible verses ( which either are not related or read out of context or translation errors) So what I am getting at when God commands in Exodus 20:8-11- Keep the 7th day sabbath commandment- how can you infer that God must have meant something else? This is what I am getting The simplest way so I can answer your questions (which you said you genuinely wanted to know) is to list them here in reply under the heading "Questions" so I cannot ask you again where are your specific questions?

To make it simple - so people can see who is avoiding answering the questions and who is directly answering the questions Just make it simple in this format so i know your questions- no criticisms and mud slinging Just like this questions: (1) (2) After I have answwred your questions- will you then kindly answer my request for 2 scripture verses that I asked for you to explain