TheSongRemainsTheSame

even the god of the bible has a tolernce level of forgiveness. this god even has a book of who to caste into eternal death~~~ ahhh such is the compassionate wrath of god

mj412, Grace & peace none of this was this thick untill he died tho. maybe because the internet was not here maybe because LCM got involved I cant say but I did read the other day in one of his books how vpw wanted others to think well of him . mj, it was very thick before he died. Absolutely remember him very well and as well as he wished for you to think and as well as you can think of him.

O me oh my, I need to cover my a here. First of all I forgive "ME" &&&& all the "WE"s Next of all~~~ Father I forgive all the billions who have died to make room for the next billions who live to die and also all those after my breath becomes a wind whether up or down. Ahhhh~~~ The ultimate FORGIVENESS."Father I forgive the Devil HISSSelf and YOU for making him. Now, whew that was refreshing. Now I can enter the Confessional and say~~~ "Father bless me for I have not sinned." Where now do I go from here?

"Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil. Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Mercy is the withholding of merited condemnation. That's was Jesus thinks, what do you think?" I kinda dig Hevy Revy chapter 19 and verses 9 through 21. Suits me just fine!!!

socks posted November 07, 2004 21:26 Soooooo... I guess that means we aren't going to see The List. So be it. I guess, well. Dunno. I'm very disappointed, Song. You've, well, you've kind of let me down here. But you're forgiven. (you knew that was coming, right? c'mon, gimme at least a chuckle or two, it took awhile to set that up. I knew there wasn't going to A List, but at least, we got a laugh! This ain't easy, it looks easy but it ain't. Takes time, experience, skill and patience. Please, if you're watching - don't try this at home!) "Awww, I don't get no respect, no respect. When I was born, the Doc, he spanked my mother! My Dad slapped him! He said 'Lemme do that!'...awww, I don't get no respect. No respect!" Ah socks, Your great mercy and grace proceeds you. I accept my forgiveness with all the laughter my soul can produce. Forgive me again that I have let you down, such forgiveness is a wellspring of refreshing cool water. I will have to disappoint ya many more a time to have drink your forgiveness. 7 times 70 worth I suppose is the tolerence level eh! :D--> backathca and again :D--> And i do thank you when you wrote ~~~i realised i should have not raised my shillelagh so quickly. For me to sport such a defamation of good peoples peoples name for public view became an ill that sunk mine heart. You are correct that there was not going to be a list. That list has already been spoken, but never forgotten. The respect needs not to be spanked about enny no more. But I do ask that if a good friend comes to your door and requests to speak outside and then produces a caste iron frying pan and introduces it flat side squarley to your face so that you feel the lawn on your back and see stars in pure daylight, and all ya hear is his smirking laugh and see him walk away, what would you do? Would you endure it 489 more times? ;)-->

here's a promis of God's Word and the "WE" know I am refering to the Bible: Either believe it or go to Hell. Is that correct the "WE"? the "e" left off promises because there may be some broken~~~

There is nothing old about twi doctrines sky4it, the doctrines of cult are the same no matter the color rose they hold. That is what really makes all due respects chilling!

"I've been rejected many more times then I have been accepted. When we were out wow, we gave folks one or two shots if they wanted to believe with us, then if not, we moved on. Arguing only works up to a certain point, then its time to move on." The soul purpose of wow was to get people to take the class. Hence the brush off if they do not receive your sales pitch! Then after ya have a babe for pfal the next pitch would be wow way corp etc right oldie? Much dust has worn your sandles.

I wit the din my supposed beef with The Good Man O The Cloth would come forth this forum Grease Spot By Midnight Cafe and proclaim his justification CFF. Have you heard that he told a certain person to sell her car because she could not afford the debt while he lived in a 200 thousand dollar home living off the tithes+%% beleivers he was a leader? Yes he is a good man.

"My point in addressing you is just THAT. We have all moved on, changed, grown, hopefully, matured." Radar, i am humbled the maturity your address. May I move forward an advanced pace as you have obviously considered yourself. I always love the "WE". Hence, I shall follow your bread crumbs this forest floor and come upon the merriment and surety of the "WE". Where does the trail, maze begin that I may sniff my way to the "WE"??

Yes satori i have forgiven me whatever blame i place upon me. But the mirror ever does speak if one takes each veiwing seriously. And then I have to laugh that my forgivness of myself is nothing more than a reflection of myself. Hence I do forgive myself for being myself, and not a great crime ever i have done as in comparison other mirrors have stared back the viewer. I have searched within my self only to find I am somewhat a passenger in these bones covered in flesh all alive with much blood and thoughts running through my arteries and veins and a heart that pumps with breath and healing that seems ever so a miracle a scratch is no more. But there are great and deep wounds that challenge such a body and all its wonders its mind and blood and heart. Forgiving of one's self is a choice at every crossroad. Of course I only know what I mean mine words and hope that what i mean has patience those who read. Songster

has anyone in their mind while married ever seen a one you hummed after? I think JC said something like as well President Carter one has already comitted adultery. The fine line is in the mind even though one even thinks not to perform such a "sin". ahhh~~~ the UnWe speaks ;)-->

..."Catcup, you don't need to defend what you saw, the Word backs you up. It's either the language of men or of angels. Some people will never believe even if they saw it."... LornaDoone , What have you seen all your adventures this Word that would be so remarkable a claim that would back up CatCup? So you saying that you saw "IT"? What did you see?

I never questioned leadership to the point of truthfull answers, i thought that i would receive truthfull answers~~~ but nah in all mine TWInty years it seems now that some of the questions still remain in spite internet, an avoidance one is too busy to answer them publickly and hide in the attic.>>> whoops a tangent of thought

..."John Shroyer has been gone from twi for nearly ten years. He has become a different person as hopefully, I have, and many of our fellow twi *** --- hole--- idiot, contemporaries." And so have I. I have learned to see Wolf N Wool. TWIster Sisters, whoops, offshoots are turn the steak over on the grill. of course that is not a humble opinion. My az$ hole sings a different tune than the bread broken between those whose diet is the same TWI.

Oh where o where is the forgivness vs skeletons in the closet

Radar O'Reilly posted November 07, 2004 17:46 Oh Song, Believe me, I saw the list, most probably I saw the list before you ever dreamed of the list. While working in the trunk office, I might have even helped ASSEMBLE that damn list. I don't doubt the pain that all of the m&a caused. Last night, I had a nightmare about those days in my former life....it was creepy and included an infestation of cochroaches. I woke up this morning and rearranged my freaking bedroom and sewing room because of that dream. ~~~~ Socks posted November 07, 2004 18:03 Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I want to see the list. I want El Listos. Listos El Grande. Show me La List. Le List. Li List. The List of Shame. The List of Rejection. Give it to me, Song. Hard. Show the list. ~~~ Well Socks, it seems to me, one has a list even ever before i was spanked being born. That's the list I thinks then those who had a desk to ponder such the fates of believers I would want to see! My list would be, I suppose less than the one who has fessed a list more might than mine! Say on Radar I'm just a guy who may have fallen 'pon your desk.

"And I guarantee you that neither closes her eyes to wrongs that happened in TWI, including the faults of VPW." Faults of VPW? FAULTS!!!Like one that does not understand a Presidential display of utensils pon the table? FAULTS??? Which fork do i use??? Nay not "FAULTS!!!" Outright cult, let's say in comparison uhmm JZKNIGHT. We all have faults. VPW even said something like he wished to be the man he ought to be. Faults of VPW~~~ my oh my~~~ like he stole a pack of chewing gum from the local Ma & Paw convenience store. Nah, he robbed the store and shot ma and paw down for a pack of bubble chew.

So, I suppose you do not want to see the list, eh good mediator? Well Radar~~~~~??? Addition is just that eh? Exposure is another reality~~~ song

Radar, Would you be willing to see the list of people The Good Man O Cloth Marked and Avoided? SONG!

Song, You are a good man, I have never made so much as a mean or hard hearted comment toward you. I am IN NO WAY associated with CFF, I don't financially support them, attend their fellowships, send anyone associated with them so much as a birthday card. That said, I completely believe that John Shroyer is a good man, and does all he can to be a good minister. I have seen many sides to him, good, bad, ugly and indifferent. I believe that he is a good man, not that he has never made mistakes. I do not personally know you song.....but over the years I have read your posts. All I am saying is that if you have something within you that you need to clarify/settle with John Shroyer.....it is my opinion, that he will be willing to talk it out with you. John is the kind of man that really, really, really, wants to do the right thing. After all is said and done, doesn't that count for something? Two men (you and John,) two different points of view, trying to reconcile their differences? I am in no way degrading you.....just hoping that there can be a resolution for you. Radar Radar, Since you have chosen to be a mediator between John & I, I respect your wish to reconcile such enigmas our views of TWI. John has chosen to promote TWI because of all his indepth experinces said cult. He patterns after it with all respect his ordination TWI. For him and I to even discuss any questions without public veiw, he knows as well as i, I would signing another green card. I am also a fellow who is really really really TRYING to do the right thing. But I do not go about as a savior those left in the hurt of twi and also the one who has marked and avoided IN the same breath. John is a contradiction his stand.

Radar O'Reilly I'm fine, really posted November 07, 2004 16:31 SONG!!!! You have a problem with John Shroyer? You know exactly how to find him, how to call him, email him, write him snail mail, etc. In my personal opinion, he is a good man. He has lived his life, right or wrong, trying to do the will of the lord. You have something to discuss with him? DISCUSS IT WITH HIM. If you need for him to CALL YOU, JUST LET ME KNOW. I don't communicate with him often, but I know he would take my call....he would take yours too. radar ~~~~ Ahh radar are you trying to save my soul your defence a Good Man O the Cloth? Have I not said he was good man! And I certainly meant that since he laid hand 'pon my daughters head and held a word of esquiste prophecy. I love Rev John for that. The Good Man o The Cloth, dear radar, has made his run after his emeritus status was given unto him throughout fla in which he once claimed to have been demoted. I can show you a list of people he has marked and avoided. And so hence I have heard his call many a TWIg Co. Meet. He was a gracious host for sure, no doubt! I thinks he has a beef with TWI that he claims no knowlege to those who are asking. So do I have a problem with this man you so have a problem with his good name to be tarnished by such a rogue as me? Song

Well well Research Geek, quite a moral of a story and many such words. My question still stands, and if you answered it, then I have not seen your reply. All I know from memory is you were not dodging my questions because you had much to do. Kewl! Do You Reasearch Geek have right hand fellowship with Reverend John Shroyer? I hope not that I shall faint from breath before your chores allow you a moment of yeah or nay, eh!

..."I have found personally, Shroyer to be very approachable and not offended to be asked hard questions about such things. Before I decided to attend a single meeting, I had a straight, no holds barred conversation with the man and told him I would not put up with being involved in a ministry that allowed abuse of any kind."... Nice one CC. Cult people are always nice, how else would the love bombing go on so well to pull one through such hard questions that i am sure you have asked The Rev Shroyer~~~ did you know he marked and avoided "believers" whilst his rulership of Fla in which he said he was demoted.??? It's no personal beef with the Good Man of The Cloth who prophesied over my daughter, as you seem a fit to place 'pon me head. He is certainly a man who rules his house and wife in good order. A jolly soul. I have no beef with the Good Man of The Cloth~~~ but just questions concerning obedience his rule over CFF as if it had nothing to do with TWI. What were the hard questions you asked that so made you a believer that The Good Man of The Cloth has no intention of abuse? So You and Geek do support CFF! Kewl~~~ Rok On Song No finger pointing except that which was spared the severence of those whom stood and against, and their fingers fell to the floor. I still have all my fingers to still knock a fine arrow.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Jeff, bless you man. I understand that back in 1972 a 'linguist' named: Dr. William J. Samarin 'studied' Speaking in tongues and considered it "other than real languages". Having served on-board various subs as the Protestant Lay-Leader, I have attended training at the hands of Navy Chaplains and I have looked it up in their librarys (Xenoglossia, Glossolalia, pseudo-language. The 'professional' Chaplains certainly don't believe in Speaking in tongues. I have to tell you though, of an experience that I once had. In 1980, after one patrol, I was having doubts as to reality of Speaking-In-Tongues. I went on a roadtrip on my motorcycle for a couple weeks, during which time I spent a lot of time in prayer and Tongues. During that drive I 'developed' multiple tongues, a real fluency in multiple tongues. When I returned to my duty station, and went to a fellowship, I was called upon to Speak-In-Tongues and Interpret. I used one of my 'new' languages. One of the guys in the fellowship was crying when I finished the Interpretation. He started laughing and got up, he was terribly excited. He told us that my tongue was 'Northern Mandarin', a launguage that he knew and spoke. He gave us a word-for-word translation of what I had spoken in Mandarin, and while the Word-for-word did not match, the message did. My 'interpretation' was like a para-phrasing of the exact word-for-word. Overall that cinched it for me. It was what I needed to really beleive that Speaking-In-Tongues is real and from G-d. Our Heavenly Father does different things for different people. He works with each of us differently. This was how He worked with me to convince me. kewl CONvince you of what? Tah de dah~~~ my tounge is angels beyound your men~~~ hmm ~~~ eh?