SafariVista

Haven't heard of any lawsuits originated from TWI... what would they be suing for? Defamation of character? If the facts are being exposed, and they are doing the Word, they shouldn’t have anything to worry about. :unsure:

Strange

Belle said:

When Craig talked about religion, what did he say? Were there specific topics he wanted to discuss? Was he sharing stuff or asking questions?

Does he talk about his kids at all? I wonder how their relationship is.

Very curious about these topics also... & is he still married… ??????

1) Safari: don't your arms ever get tired?

What's really funny is that I didn't get it at first... you really had me thinking Tom

Nice post Georgio Jessio ~

They do seem like a nice bunch of kids, and they're only speaking what they know...

Hopefully there will be places like Greasespot Cafe still around when they do have some real questions that aren't being answered, or per chance they experience a more legalistic pressure to change as they 'mature' in TWI...

My Space rings a loud gong for us... it's the first web site where our daughter was getting harassed... although those pictures of herself were sort of suggestive...

Diazbro said:

But I do wonder why someone with no interest in TWI wants to post and ,furthermore, assume the role of an analyst in an apparent attempt to "reconcile" us to LCM. Some people have more time than others -

It's not everyday someone runs into a known Cult Leader

Well.. if I saw him on the road w/ a flat tire... maybe... most insurances cover that sort of thing...

If he came to me for help... I don't see that happening... I'm not a Doctor...

If he tripped right in front of me, and his glasses fell off, and I could save them from getting stepped on~ yes, I would see myself lending a helping hand.

I would not give and evil look & walk away... That's just not my style...

Might throw in a question or two during the assistance process... ;)

OM!!

Very fuuuuunnnnnyyyyyy!

I guess I'm naive to think that adult people can discuss things with some form while using their manners. That's not real life and it won't happen, I know that.

Shell I don't think you're naive. Adult people can discuss things and use manners while doing it... but without seeing people face to face, it's very easy to say things that wouldn't normally be communicated, while sitting at a computer... same with a telephone.

I don't know anyone personally, myself included, that would feel comfortable participating in the Jerry Springer Show... now THAT is not normal ;)

That day in April... we were still in, and knew basically nothing... like the beginning of war...

Hope everyone gets a chance to read your post here

His ex-wife seems to be as over the top as he was.

Had wondered if they divorced...

Craig sounds as though he's in a rough place right now.

Hope he finds the courage and strength to really change and let those he's wronged know with an honest apology.

So many lives were affected, so many varied degrees of pain... (even some deaths!) :(

Thank you for sharing here Freud & Jung (Sigmund & Carl? ;) )

You are the Goddess of Darkness or the Daughter of

the Night! You are not evil, though you can

be at times, but you are misunderstood and

you whould rather be alone then hang in a

group. You tend to look at the half empty

side of the glass rather then the full side.

Your power stone is an opal, as dark as you

are, Your power color is black, the color of

the darkness in which you reside. Your metal

is tin and the animal that you can turn into

is a raven, majestic and dark.

Very interesting stuff from a Way woman...

The internet ban has been lifted, and those that can handle it may do so?

Wonder if leadership knows of their site & postings... doesn't seem like some of the young folks give a ****! While others appear to be sweet & genuine...

Never liked 'myspace.com' very much... lots of creepy people hanging out there too... daughter ran into quite a few... not a highly recommended site from this house~

...oh Chief Cornerstone Dear...

dang... that typing icon is disturbing!

I'm trying not to look... and scroll away quickly when the blood begins to appear... yikes!

jmo

Fantastic T-Bone... this is something I've been thinking about for years.

It really is simple, and we teach our children, when they do something wrong, don't LIE... just admit it and take the consequence.

Yes, an uncomfortable situation will most likely follow... but hey, that's life!

Seems the Ten Commandments as a whole were left OUT of TWI for the simple reason of allowing the disgusting, twisted habits of some to continue... Loving God w/ all your heart... and your neighbor as yourself didn't seem to have much meaning there~

I've heard many arguments over the years from people justifying their sins... all Word based... well, no one's perfect... we all sin... don't you speed?, all sin in the same to God... we're not saved because of works, it's grace

should we sin that grace may abound? NO!!! GOD FORBID!

We've had believer parents serve alcohol to our children & theirs- ages 12-15...

Well... here I go offering the sins of others, while I know I have many...

But my point is, situations could not be taken care of since nothing was a 'big deal' to them... they just wanted to walk in love, grace covers...blah, blah, blah.... we were made out to be the bad guys for bringing it up

When I find I'm wrong in an area, I feel bad... I don't want to do, think and live in sin... I want to be pleasing to God, and having something good to offer to others...

We were once a family within a family that was presented to us as The Way International. We shared on some level, we loved together, we laughed and cried and raised babies and lived actual lives.

This reminds me of a time LONG ago... very long ago. This peaceful living was already going away in the early 90's. Somewhere, someone thought it would be 'best' for everyone to be 'the same', the Word was being mishandled, and everyone was to suffer.

How is it that we were all in the same place, hearing the same words, playing the same game with the same pieces got to this place?

The place where we fight about a man who made the choices to start a ministry and allowed it and himself to get so dirty.

I'm seeing different situations due to differing experiences... there were different levels of good and evil in TWI. My WOW brother (corps) was an a*s. He was a heavy drinker, slept with the new girls we brought to twig, and then had the nerve to yell at us.. YELL... at odd hours of the night... would wake us up and tell us that God put something on his heart, and would YELL about the stupidest things... not everyone experienced him.

The place where we've forgotten what our original goal was when we left. What was your goal, did you have one, do you remember it?

When I first came here, I just looked... at facts mostly... didn't post much, not really having much to say. I had no goal outside of stopping the abuse.. I was hurt, and most of my close friends were still in... since I had NO friends when it came to the Word. I was a very good cult member... and leaving was difficult, so much that I had gone back at one point, and subjected myself & family to the scrutinizing eyes of young, stupid corps girls, who were also trying to be very good cult members...

Did you expect that you'd do such battle with them or others that walked the same road as you?

I want to understand what the anger really is.

Can't say I feel like being involved in any battles... my days of being right at the sake of others is over. There are some places here I'll pass over... Still enjoy looking at the facts, it is a meter of how far I've come, since my mind had agreed with that stupidity at one time.

Is it rage at a man that performed such life altering behaviors as to never be healable?

Frankly, it's embarrassing. I put MY WHOLE LIFE at one time into that place... a few men and women ruined it, and for awhile they fooled me... that would make me a fool...? Didn't like that!... but I am healing~

I want to remember the joy we felt that day in April not so many years ago when the first domino of his fall was touched to begin a process the likes of which we may never see again.

This I don't understand... I never felt any joy... it was all hurtful for me... just a waste ... the people at the top had too much say and the group as a whole didn't really matter... it was all sad~

What is The Greasespot Cafe here for? I used to know, but I don't see it anymore. What was the original idea? To provide a place to rest and know peace to those that had been so broken and left for death?

I'm hoping it's hear for any to see the facts, chat a bit, find answers, and know recovery is different for everyone.

I can only speak for myself when I say that Waydale and Greasespot, although didn't save my life, they did afford me to be quiet and decide 'what now' and take the time to really be sure and then it's been supportive as I take action.

There is support here, and some topics are quieter than others... for me, if it seemed to noisy, or a few people were picking on each other, I would just stay away from those areas...

I no longer know why I'm here and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Awww ((((((((((Shell))))))))))

We excuse ourselves if we bump a stranger in the grocery, we apologize if we offend our neighbor.

I'm wondering why we treat each other with such ugliness in here, considering how we all (most of us) came from the same place, have so many things in common and really need and deserve each others support and care.

Could it be, possibly, that the ones who like to argue & fight are mostly men? I've found some are not as tender as women, and can be pretty crude at times... not too quick to think outside of themselves... and watch, because some, when they get real comfortable, will fart & burp and just laugh... and we have to sit & smell it... :blink: but then there are some wonderful, tender hearted men with good manners here too...

Not being face to face and speaking is for the most part an easy way for some to say things they'd NEVER say otherwise. Perhaps we should be reminded of that... a couple people I'd like to visit in here... say 'what's up with that dude' ;)

I know how very weary the journey makes us sometimes. Wouldn't it be nice to have a place to come home to, to rest, to recharge, a place to put our oars for awhile.

Shell you always have something nice to say in Chat... you seem warm, caring & understanding, and I'm very glad we've 'met'... looking forward to seeing you in person some day :)

Hey there Safari. :) CES stopped *endorsing* Momentus about 10 years ago.

Well... this was just before moving to NC in 2003...at that time the name had already changed though, and now they're operating under 'Association for Christian Character Devlopment'.

This couple still hosted JL & others from CES in their home & cottage... they were very active in CES... and pushing ACCD like crazy...

ACCD has several 'work shops'... don't know if anyone from CES is helping out there... don't know their names...

http://www.accd.org/index.cfm/pages/272

Mind boggling...

Since TWI was associated in my mind w/ hot, humid, dirty summers at the ROA... spring & fall sounded nice... :)

But all the costs involved... maybe they're two separate classes... one family can go, while another watches their younger children... then the next session they switch ;) Hopefully there won’t be any child molesters offering to baby-sit!

From 81 through 2002 we found the meetings & classes to be more 'professional' each year... meaning TWI continued to tighten the belt on physicals... dress, time, seating, arrangement, music, food, presentation... it became cold and calculated... Even the prayers. Leadership was told what to pray for and who to call on…

Although this behavior seemed to be reasonable in light of 'getting better' or 'growing', we realized the entire MARK was being MISSED! :(

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Thoughtfully composed letter. Seems like many excellent points for LCM to take a serious look at.

A response would be remarkable… perhaps fully written out, with a signature. :)

Wonder if he’s really sorry, or if he thinks what he was doing was okay?

Is TWI still controlling his actions because of lawsuits? Those payoffs came with ‘rules’ attached…

hummm

CK you're being foolish.

Taking a break may do you some good.

Is the weather nice where you are now? Go for a walk, a run, or to get some ice-cream w/ a friend or neighbor.

Take some time and appreciate the beauty that's around you.

How about a visit to the Library... strike up a conversation with a total stranger... Listen to their ‘story‘, there are so many interesting people in the world...

How about some Spring Cleaning... take some extras to your local shelter for battered women & children... They are feeling lost, helpless and confused… you could make a difference.

There are so many people out there in the world that could benefit from what you have to give!

Peace out dude ~ :)

Some scarey stuff there Belle~

Maybe we should wait and be quiet 'here' until Mr. Freud has had a chance to read & respond...

This sure will take up a significant portion of his time getting through all of this...

(reminds me of a Hugh family, where the children LOUDLY & physically ’discuss’ something, as the Dad patiently waits to speak...as he finally gets their attention, a few are still elbowing each other while looking at Dad )

:blink: just my opinion...

harsh...

:unsure: Ol Loy does have a few years left.... maybe he will apologize... Heard at one time he was a decent guy…

Oh the 'household'... this was one of the big lies that had me disrespecting many people.

Coming from a German background, there are many older folks I know that have a DEEP love & respect for God unt His Verd...

After learning the 'truth' of who the true household is , I was horrible, and thought evil of them at times.

They were very sweet to me at all times, and welcomed me back with open arms, and let me know that they NEVER stopped praying for me :)

Mr Larry, that tatoo musta HURT!

NEVER experienced ANYTHING similar to what Galen speaks of.

Corps were always around, and for the most part uptight, trying to get the hang of controlling their people. (oh the stories I have on that)

Biblical Research & Teaching is a phrase, and just from hearing it over & over, some people can get a false sense that IS what is going on...

Similar to when I was younger growing up in the Lutheran Church... the phrase God the Father, GOD THE SON, God the Holy Ghost...

It was repeated so often It was believed, and hearing the opposite phrase was shocking!!! (Almost enough to keep me in that mode with NO scriptural back up)

I agree that TWI had everyone 'researching', or looking at what they were teaching TO MAKE IT their own, NOT to see if it was so! And questions were NOT GOOD… unless you liked to be uncomfortable~

We did find a few discrepancies at different times, and posed a question, but it was never answered & brushed off~ <_<

Interesting...

It's all very interesting...