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  1. johniam

    LCM

    You mean he's doing teachings and people actually want to listen to him??? Overall, I feel sorry for him more than I hate him, but I never got my face melted by him.
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    LCM

    Happy 70th, LCM. Is he happy? Anybody heard any current info (gossip) about him?
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    Revival and Restoration

    I watched 50 minutes of the video. I wouldn't have recognized anybody. I'd seen the Moynihands and Michael Fort before, just too long ago. At about 9:10 on the left side of the screen a woman was walking behind everybody in another room. Then she sat down and you could see her feet bobbing up and down periodically. At 44 minutes she was visible again and not long after that she walked away. Was that Melody? It was interesting for me to see them and hear them talk, but I concur with several of the comments that followed. Back in 1994, when they did those 3 purges (debt, homo, and unproductive evil), twi changed from an open door, whosoever will may come, shucks, there ain't no strangers at the way...ministry to an elitist group. Before that, you could just be a joe believer without aspiring to be way corps and they treated you OK. Not anymore. I did a timeline and I'd like to add to it. 1975 - twi releases JCING, becoming an instant "cult" - 8K at ROA 1986 - After 11 years of persecution, Passing of Patriarch revealed, having great impact - 20 plus K at ROA 1989 - After 3 years of "fog" many exit twi...LCM responds w/loyalty letter, having some impact - 4Kat ROA 1994 = After 5 years of loyalty letter impact, LCM et al become puffed up with false confidence - 11K at ROA. So, the people in that R&R video were all totally on board with the elitism LCM and later, RFR were the faces for. And now 25 years later they want us to believe their hearts are pure??? Not buying that! They still think they're eliter than thou. They just want to get paid for it better.
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    Martindale and his lifetime pension

    IIRC, back in the 70s the IRS paid VP a visit. One point of contention was that VP claimed that his salary was something ridiculously small (can't remember what it was). They told him he had to have at least a much larger amount by law. Anybody remember this? So... If that was true, it's not too much of a stretch to suppose that, also by law, LCM would rate SOMETHING as severance pay for his 18 yrs as pres, and the 65K was what he and twis lawyers agreed upon. Just a thought.
  5. I was never "love bombed". Just loved. First by God. Then by some of his people. btw You don't have to be in twi for someone to try to take advantage of you.
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    The Wierwille Legacy: Who Will Write The Book?

    Hey, Mike. Good to see your, uh, (screen name) face.
  7. johniam

    The WAP class is still the main agenda

    Previously on Johniam.... R This topic seems flexible. I didn't want to start a new thread, so, hopefully, this will fit in. Couple nights ago I watched Athletes of the Spirit for the first time in at least 20 years. A week ago was LCMs 69th bday. I wondered what it would be like to see it outside of the contexts of a)1985 and all the hype, and b) after leaving twi and hearing all the criticism/ridicule here and elsewhere. Just wanted to see it as a single event independent of controversy. I thought I might stop watching after 5-15 minutes; didn't know. I watched it in its entirety. Nothing life changing, but a few things came to mind. 1) Ken McCaw did the music. He's still got it. He currently helps other exwayfers record stuff and he did a CD in 2005 called 'Where righteousness prevails'. He must have had a lot to do with that twi recording called 'Bold and blessed' which I always liked. I thought his contribution to AOS was excellent. 2) Overall, I thought it was a good production. Some of those people were professional dancers. Even LCM did not look terribly out of place (imo). Recently, Kurt Warner was on 'Dancing with the stars'. He lasted only a few rounds, but he said that being a quarterback actually helped him with doing those dance steps. QBs have to practice footwork for when they go back in the pocket and have to decide very quickly whether to pass the ball or roll out to the left or right or even run with the ball. LCM wasn't a QB but his athletic background didn't appear to hinder him much. AOS was filmed in front of a live audience, and ONE TIME I noticed LCM dropped somebody he was moving side to side (he held this person's thigh with one hand and upper arm with the other and was trying to toss him/her a few feet over and he lost his grip on the thigh). Other than that he seemed to execute all moves successfully. There's more but I gotta leave for fellowship. Back later. OK I'm back. 3) LCM claimed that AOS was an 'allegory', which he said was an extended metaphor. We were also taught that a metaphor is a comparison by representation. Example: the communion ceremony...take, eat, this is (this (the bread) represents) my body which is broken for you. Suggesting that the Christian success alluded to in the narration of AOS was represented by the dancing/judo/karate moves. Sounds plausible, but... 4) Some of the doctrine behind AOS I don't have a problem with. OK, God, His angels, and His people are the good guys; the devil, his angels and his people are the bad guys. Check. The devil is still the god of this world and can still control a LOT of things that happen in the world. Check. It is possible for God's people, under good leadership, to make the world less evil and less dark than it could be. BUT... 5) There was no specific instruction in AOS on what was and was not good leadership and good training. It was all implied to a target audience familiar with the terminology used in AOS, AND...it ultimately didn't work. 6) IMO there is some value in the concept. Who else would make a production like that? The catholic church? Landover Baptist? It definitely gives the viewer something to think about. Who knows? A hundred years from now someone might watch it and get really inspired. Enough to start an effort that will bless a lot of people. That is, if Christ hasn't returned. I wonder if anyone from twi today finds any value in it.
  8. johniam

    The WAP class is still the main agenda

    This topic seems flexible. I didn't want to start a new thread, so, hopefully, this will fit in. Couple nights ago I watched Athletes of the Spirit for the first time in at least 20 years. A week ago was LCMs 69th bday. I wondered what it would be like to see it outside of the contexts of a)1985 and all the hype, and b) after leaving twi and hearing all the criticism/ridicule here and elsewhere. Just wanted to see it as a single event independent of controversy. I thought I might stop watching after 5-15 minutes; didn't know. I watched it in its entirety. Nothing life changing, but a few things came to mind. 1) Ken McCaw did the music. He's still got it. He currently helps other exwayfers record stuff and he did a CD in 2005 called 'Where righteousness prevails'. He must have had a lot to do with that twi recording called 'Bold and blessed' which I always liked. I thought his contribution to AOS was excellent. 2) Overall, I thought it was a good production. Some of those people were professional dancers. Even LCM did not look terribly out of place (imo). Recently, Kurt Warner was on 'Dancing with the stars'. He lasted only a few rounds, but he said that being a quarterback actually helped him with doing those dance steps. QBs have to practice footwork for when they go back in the pocket and have to decide very quickly whether to pass the ball or roll out to the left or right or even run with the ball. LCM wasn't a QB but his athletic background didn't appear to hinder him much. AOS was filmed in front of a live audience, and ONE TIME I noticed LCM dropped somebody he was moving side to side (he held this person's thigh with one hand and upper arm with the other and was trying to toss him/her a few feet over and he lost his grip on the thigh). Other than that he seemed to execute all moves successfully. There's more but I gotta leave for fellowship. Back later.
  9. johniam

    How To Start A Cult Properly

    I asked the guys about this. Nobody heard of it. Not a big deal. I read some comments on their website and I wondered if there might be some ex wafers there. Someone used the phrase 'rightly dividing the word' and I don't hear that from many non twi believers, but nothing about manifestations of the spirit or anything else that would be a dead giveaway that it was twi related. But, really, CG does not try to be the MOGFODAT. He does classes, teachings, and print material, but he lets local leaders alone. We have access to people like Walter Cummins, but we all are allowed to have lives.
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    How To Start A Cult Properly

    Wow. I never heard of the St. Louis Bible Fellowship from that link. Coincidence, I guess.
  11. johniam

    How To Start A Cult Properly

    I don't know anything about the so called "depravity of his past". Never met the guy.
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    How To Start A Cult Properly

    It's affiliated with Chris Geer. The whole scene is a lot less invasive than twi was (especially the last 5 yrs I was in twi (89-94))
  13. johniam

    How To Start A Cult Properly

    I can. The fellowship I attend is part of the St. Louis Bible Fellowship. I've been told that back in the 80s 85% of abs went to hq and 15% stayed in the limb. We do the opposite. In 2006 there were a bad series of storms here and we were without electricity for 8 days. It happened in July when the temp was 100 degrees or so. Pretty much everybody on our block had to waste food. Some of us had freezers full of food. What do you suppose it smelled like with all those trash dumpsters at the curb. We spent 5 of the 8 nights in motels. We also received a check for several hundred dollars taken out of abs. I'm guessing we weren't the only believers who got that. Never got anything like that from twi. There are places in scripture where believers helped other believers in need. (Acts6:1-6, Acts11:27-30)
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    Batteries not included.

    All that is irrelevant. I answered your question.
  15. johniam

    Decorum and discussion tones here-what should they be?

    My personal strategy about tone and decorum is, if you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. Other posters have done that regarding me and vice versa. As an aside, I think GSC has a lot going for it. That Jehovah's Witness site was awful sometimes. No restrictions there. Transnet wasn't far behind. I wonder how many lives would be in danger if there was an al kaeda site with GSCs kind of open discussion. When someone attacks you, you can either "flee in fear", or respond in kind. That's just human. People are going to do that. quote: Does the GSC have a purpose? I believe we all agree with the statement that the GSC "exists to tell the other side of the story." But let's continue from there. WHY tell the other side of the story? To inform others so they can make informed decisions. WHAT decisions are we informing them for? The decision to leave twi if they are in, the decision to leave twi-spinoffs if they are in, the decision to leave twi-doctrine if it is in them. If this really is, by consensus or otherwise, GSC's "mission", I don't have to agree with it 100%.
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