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  1. That tape was probably VPs last ever teaching at the auditorium. It would have been dated April 21, 1985. I saw the video of it. He looked disorientated at times and he used verses of both Paul and Peter alluding to their imminent deaths. He knew he didn't have much time left. But I'm sure, to a lot of people, it would "prove" you were in a "cult".
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    LCM

    You mean he's doing teachings and people actually want to listen to him??? Overall, I feel sorry for him more than I hate him, but I never got my face melted by him.
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    LCM

    Happy 70th, LCM. Is he happy? Anybody heard any current info (gossip) about him?
  4. I watched 50 minutes of the video. I wouldn't have recognized anybody. I'd seen the Moynihands and Michael Fort before, just too long ago. At about 9:10 on the left side of the screen a woman was walking behind everybody in another room. Then she sat down and you could see her feet bobbing up and down periodically. At 44 minutes she was visible again and not long after that she walked away. Was that Melody? It was interesting for me to see them and hear them talk, but I concur with several of the comments that followed. Back in 1994, when they did those 3 purges (debt, homo, and unproduct
  5. IIRC, back in the 70s the IRS paid VP a visit. One point of contention was that VP claimed that his salary was something ridiculously small (can't remember what it was). They told him he had to have at least a much larger amount by law. Anybody remember this? So... If that was true, it's not too much of a stretch to suppose that, also by law, LCM would rate SOMETHING as severance pay for his 18 yrs as pres, and the 65K was what he and twis lawyers agreed upon. Just a thought.
  6. I was never "love bombed". Just loved. First by God. Then by some of his people. btw You don't have to be in twi for someone to try to take advantage of you.
  7. Hey, Mike. Good to see your, uh, (screen name) face.
  8. Previously on Johniam.... R This topic seems flexible. I didn't want to start a new thread, so, hopefully, this will fit in. Couple nights ago I watched Athletes of the Spirit for the first time in at least 20 years. A week ago was LCMs 69th bday. I wondered what it would be like to see it outside of the contexts of a)1985 and all the hype, and b) after leaving twi and hearing all the criticism/ridicule here and elsewhere. Just wanted to see it as a single event independent of controversy. I though
  9. This topic seems flexible. I didn't want to start a new thread, so, hopefully, this will fit in. Couple nights ago I watched Athletes of the Spirit for the first time in at least 20 years. A week ago was LCMs 69th bday. I wondered what it would be like to see it outside of the contexts of a)1985 and all the hype, and b) after leaving twi and hearing all the criticism/ridicule here and elsewhere. Just wanted to see it as a single event independent of controversy. I thought I might stop watching after 5-15 minutes; didn't know. I watched it in its entirety. Nothing life changing, but a
  10. I asked the guys about this. Nobody heard of it. Not a big deal. I read some comments on their website and I wondered if there might be some ex wafers there. Someone used the phrase 'rightly dividing the word' and I don't hear that from many non twi believers, but nothing about manifestations of the spirit or anything else that would be a dead giveaway that it was twi related. But, really, CG does not try to be the MOGFODAT. He does classes, teachings, and print material, but he lets local leaders alone. We have access to people like Walter Cummins, but we all are allowed to have lives.
  11. Wow. I never heard of the St. Louis Bible Fellowship from that link. Coincidence, I guess.
  12. I don't know anything about the so called "depravity of his past". Never met the guy.
  13. It's affiliated with Chris Geer. The whole scene is a lot less invasive than twi was (especially the last 5 yrs I was in twi (89-94))
  14. I can. The fellowship I attend is part of the St. Louis Bible Fellowship. I've been told that back in the 80s 85% of abs went to hq and 15% stayed in the limb. We do the opposite. In 2006 there were a bad series of storms here and we were without electricity for 8 days. It happened in July when the temp was 100 degrees or so. Pretty much everybody on our block had to waste food. Some of us had freezers full of food. What do you suppose it smelled like with all those trash dumpsters at the curb. We spent 5 of the 8 nights in motels. We also received a check for several hundred dollars taken out
  15. All that is irrelevant. I answered your question.
  16. My personal strategy about tone and decorum is, if you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. Other posters have done that regarding me and vice versa. As an aside, I think GSC has a lot going for it. That Jehovah's Witness site was awful sometimes. No restrictions there. Transnet wasn't far behind. I wonder how many lives would be in danger if there was an al kaeda site with GSCs kind of open discussion. When someone attacks you, you can either "flee in fear", or respond in kind. That's just human. People are going to do that. quote: Does the GSC have a purpose? I belie
  17. I never heard Walter say that, but LCM titled a SNS teaching march forth one time. He told the joke and claimed he got it out of Boys Life magazine. IMO that joke belongs on Hee Haw when the fence board hits somebody in the rear.
  18. I go with Paul, also. If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christians are the biggest suckers on the planet. (1 cor 15 paraphrased).
  19. Did Christ's accomplishments pay for anything?
  20. I remember LCM use to say the devil can't read your mind. You don't have to read someone's mind if their nonverbals (also called body language) are plain enough. The reason they're called nonverbal is that the channel of communication is nonverbal, however, a verbal message is still required, otherwise there's nothing to communicate. Example: a turn signal on a car. In and of itself, it's nonverbal. It's a flashing light on a moving object. But we all know there is a definite verbal message behind it. This vehicle is turning right, turning left, or partially or fully disabled if both are
  21. I'm not afraid to change, I merely believe that what you want me to change TO does not compute. I've expressed my reasoning behind this right on this thread. You don't have to agree. Neither does anyone else. The sentence before I quoted DWBH said "people are fickle". That sentence was the sole basis for the quotes. ALL people are fickle. Weakness of the flesh. Sin nature as usual. Of course he and everybody else have the capacity to evaluate a situation, even without any new information, and change opinions. I'd like to ask DWBH a question. It has nothing to do with anything previously disc
  22. The reason I still value VP and pfal is because of my relationship with God, not VP/twi. People are fickle. Ralph wrote a chapter in that book 'the Living word speaks'. It was called 'Principles of church administration and the successful Christian'. Lots of stuff in there about leaders causing divisions in the church. In the last paragraph, he writes, "The untiring selfless efforts of Dr. Wierwille to further the work began at Pentecost serve as the greatest examples of faithful Christian leadership today." That was then, THIS is now... But, we're all capable of this. That's why God sent J
  23. Like I said, POP fallout did not get rid of the body of Christ (the church). That's us. We're all biblical. I know you got that memo once upon a time. You must have shredded it decades ago. I know of one detail that was changed in JCOPS. In Peter Bernegger's way mag article he claimed that Jesus was born in 7BC. JCOPS says it's 3BC. AMEN!
  24. You don't want to go in my backyard now. Storm knocked a large tree branch into the apex of my garage. Waiting for someone to repair it. Again, when I posted this, I was curious about how this letter affected WC. I even wonder what Researchgeek and Catcup thought of it. They are research people themselves. They HAD to be privy to this. But, thanks to a few individuals, I could not possibly add any more drama to this than has already been submitted. (Penworks herself responded to my post and didn't seem to infer any evil ulterior motive from it) No, I don't believe that VPs thinking was twiste
  25. Ironic that this time it was Waysider who took the thread off topic. What I posted was relative to the topic and I didn't even dispute the premise that VPs thinking was twisted, but, one by one, you guys want to make this thread about me. Whatever. [mod note: Nothing Waysider said was remotely off topic. He appeared to be trying to persuade johniam to look at the material from a different perspective. That's the definition of being on-topic]
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