Sudo

You have to pay for gas? I get it for next to nothing anytime I dare eat "Mexican" :)..

Petrol is going for about $3.75 in the Mid-South.

Hiway29,

Ohh.. nice answer about Sputnik but I'm wondering if indeed anyone under 50 would know that song and BTW.. 'ya seen Lon Chaney jr. as Lenny and Burgess Meredith as George?

George Aar,

You got it all. In fact a lot of folks who haven't even SEEN the movie can name it because the line is so famous. As I was saying, I like to watch it every year or so buts not in the same league as Of Mice And Men. How many here other than Waysider has watched it either on the stage or silver screen? I can see why a drama teacher would use some of the script in an acting class. My assessment of both Gary Sinese and John Malkovich's acting abilities (especially John Malkovich) went way up after having seen this version.

Has anyone seen the 1939 version with Lon Chaney Jr. and Burgess Meredith? It was Lon Chaney jr.'s best role because of his having been type cast in B movie horror shows. Even most of his Wolfman series had B movie production values.

P.S. I guess we're playing again a bit? Here's an audio that those under 50 have probably never heard. Click HERE! and see if you remember the Russian connection.

Waysider,

I agree with George.. you know it. Now.. what took you so long? I thought I had posted a hard one or something. Here's an MPG (so it may take a while to load) of a very famous movie line. Click HERE! folks and name characters, actors or whatever. This is one of those movies I like to watch about once a year or so.

Ex10,

Re:"Is there room in the discussion here for other stuff? There is/was a reason VP fooled people."

It always makes me feel better when good reasons are given for why folks joined up with this cult. Makes ME feel less like a fool and his money. Of course if VP had been a total monster then he wouldn't have fooled anybody like you say. But it seems that Hitler had most of Germany bamboozled. And Mussolini did make the trains run on time didn't he?

So maybe VP actually taught some hot Word? Hey! Something got us all hooked didn't it?

Waysider,

Sometimes its not music. In this case I'm posting something that breaks my heart every time I see it from a movie starring Gary Sinise and John Malcovich. I'm kinda' getting the impression you might be up for this kind of thing. I'll let you take first shot.. click HERE!... What's the movie and what is about to happen. Of course this IS a public forum so ANYONE wanting to jump in here is fine.

Uh Oh... I don't know how to do Talkshoe. How 'bout anyone else?

Rhino,

RE:"I was thinking old testament .. not Mohammed and his murderous ways."

But to be fair there were plenty of murderous ways in the Old Testament as we both know. God telling His people to slaughter whole populations (including the heathen's dang sheep.... and I'm partial to sheep.... cute little critters) for example. And Elijah having to cut off the heads of some 400+ prophets of a rival religion. Pretty brutal stuff by today's standards but probably par for the course for 2000 BCE times. We get so much more civilized as time passes don't you think?

Rhino,

RE:"Despite the problems of religion at its more fundamental level, it does seem there may be great learning and insight somewhere there, that has been passed down through the ages. Where else were all those sages of old writing their thoughts?..."

Seems to who? "Great religion" founder Mohammed (PBUHN) couldn't even read and write I'm to understand. Maybe the hoax is just so big that it is unfathomable that it could all be the figment of religious writers' imagination. No?

Waysider,

Are you so sure you are "techno-retarded"? Do you know the tunes I posted? Heck, you might be just right for this thread but if I could ask... how old are you? I'm 55.

Rhino,

Maybe we're thinking of the same photo but its the one in post one showing the man's right hand on her leg and his left hand around her waist. SO realistic.

George,

You're right on both counts. I see you haven't forgotten the way to post answers here without giving it all away. Do you think there might be any interest in another one or two? I have missed this thread as well.

Kimberly,

Re:"Ain't nobody disrespecting the single mother due to divorce. Been there, lived that....But you want to have a baby and not be married?"

Your gut response is what I've been trying to get folks here to address. You recognize out-of-wedlock children as a problem... if not to the children or mothers themselves necessarily then perhaps to our society and culture. And if not an immediate danger then one that is more insidious.

I'm racking my brain trying to think of a society that not only survived but prospered when a man wasn't at least the nominal head of household. Seems there was a Polynesian culture where the women ran things out in the open (as opposed to today where women often really run things but in the background) and the way of life seemed fine. But other than that.. history doesn't seem to have happy endings for cultures where the women feel free to get pregnant by whatever man happens along at the time. Yet.. no one wants to make a big deal about it in our country now, huh?

Here's to you Pebbles!!

We're glad you're here!

Better men than I take guesses. So looking at the guesses HERE! and HERE!We'll have some things straightened out and also maybe a little muddier. But they were all Earle Hagen's.

Kimberly,

Actually the gas is ethylene.. or ethylene oxide... (Click HERE!)I'm not going to quibble but its not the same as intestinal gas. If it were, I can imagine the routine that we'd be going through to ripen the green tomatoes.

I'm pretty sure we've used every one of his theme songs in years past at one time or another. Click HERE! for the most well known and beloved theme song he wrote. You might not know this, though.. it is Earle himself doing the whistling! I didn't know that. Click HERE! for one that may give you guys some trouble!

George,

I was going to post some of those theme songs when I heard the news only.. I don't think I have them on my hard drive any longer. I know the answer and I was saddened. :(

Lindy,

Re:"As I said, there are much greater threats to children and society than the unwed mother."

Yeah, its probably a bigger threat for children to have a crack ho as a mother. That minimizing of the problem could be what has maximized the problem. There are worse things after all. And what's the real harm of having young unmarrieds shacking up together anyways? Well.. I guess this is why I started this thread.

If the average American watches ET Tonight, they'll hear not ONE negative word or the ramifications about children being brought into this world by a single mother. The Dear Margo column is a microcosm of the way America is supposed to feel about family structure today.

And Bramble.. you never commented on the source I posted showing you how divorce was NOT so prevalent in Iceland.. Sheesh.. hey guys, condemning labeling single mothers as unfit is appropriate but we have taken that to APPROVING all births of out-of-wedlock children as no different. Is this a GOOD thing for the long term success of a culture?

Jeff,

Nice animation. I get links like that very often now that broadband internet connections are the norm. Someone spent a lot of time putting that together, it looks like.

Kimberly,

That's very sad to me. On different levels. The babies being raised by grandparents. The mothers whose lives could have been college and sororities instead of midnight feedings and dirty diapers. And Dear Margo (Ann landers' daughter) thinks this is fine. I'm glad to see I'm not the only dinosaur around here.

And if these girls were rich like Britanny Spears younger sister, People magazine would be fawning over them, in line to get the first baby pics and NOT A WORD of any kind of disapproval.

Hey Rascal girl!!

You go girl! Happy Birthday!!!!!!!

Bramble,

The first line in that article set off my BS meter so I did a short Google search. Lookie.. HERE!. I found it hard to believe that you'd have the happiest people with lots of broken homes. But that really wasn't what dismayed me about the Dear Margo column. Single women raise kids all the time and generally do a great job as Oak and Lindy pointed out. That's not what was bothering me.

My concerns were with the practice of young people living together (and of course, then, getting pregnant) on our culture. Its non-stigmatized totally. Children are then brought into the world growing up thinking this is just fine. Is it really just fine in our country? When there is no real commitment on the guy's end because he can just up and leave.... is this just as good as a child brought into the world with married parents?

I saw today's Dear Margo column (Click HERE!) and was dismayed by her advice. She seems to be saying that marriage is totally optional for single women wanting to have children. While I agree that branding unmarried single moms with a scarlet letter is wrong I don't go so far as to say its just hunky dory either.

Dear Margo seems to be in step with the current American culture, though. Pick up most any edition of People magazine and see the fawning over all the Hollywood starlets who are having children out of wedlock. The stigma does indeed seem to be completely gone.

bfh,

Re:"So, it's really just the man sex that's a problem (since we're being honest)."

Oh, OK you're right... I admit.. its the man on man thing that really makes MY skin crawl. But I still say that they should be able to have the rights to benefits and inheritance as non-pervert married couples.... even if I would prefer not to have them for neighbors exactly.