2fortheroad

i'm with you 2for!so damn phoney at times it made my skin crawl

alshanta my arse

Someone in our fellowship always started their SIT with Loshanta Malacasita etc, etc...it sounded the same every single time, no matter what the interpretation was...It's making my skin crawl thinking about it now.

Karl is looking to promote a book, if this is the best he can come up with.

If he wants to comment on life at Hdqtrs, go for it. He is probably qualified to speak about that.

Maybe HE made up SIT while in twi, but don't lay that POS *generalization* on MY doorstep.

I spoke in tongues long before being associated with docvic and twi. With no *class* instructing me how.

And no --- it wasn't then, it isn't now, nor will it ever be *made up*.

SIT may or may not have been made up. I still find myself speaking in tongues from time to time...but I honestly don't have a clue if there's anything spiritual about it. I do think it's possibly just a creative aspect of my brain playing with sounds and words. I used to make up languages and speak them as a child...I wasn't "born again" then....was I speaking in tongues anyhow? Was I just making up languages because I liked the way it sounded and it was fun? Who knows?

I always had a problem with the excellor sessions though...how could you increase your fluency in a language unknown to you by deliberately making alphabetical sounds...when you didn't even know the alphabet of your "tongue" to begin with? If it really was an inspired language to speak the "wonderful works of God" wouldn't forcing different sounds and words be counter-productive to the process?

But I digress...The point I wanted to make was that while SIT may or may not be "made up"...in my experience and apparently that of many other posters here over the years...The interpretation and prophecy of SIT was quite often made up. Usually it was a regurgitation of whatever the current teaching and buzz words of the day were.

I ALWAYS pre-thought something to say if called on...and I was praised for having such a long suit in interpretation and prophecy. Just my opinion, but I think interpretation and prophecy were usually made up.

Brain Salad Surgery

I'm going to have break my own rule and not post a new one right now though. Anyone may jump in.

that particular song may be 'cmon see the show' or something-but it's the title track to Brain Salad Surgery

The name of the song is actually Karn Evil 9 (1st Impression Part 2) ~ the title is a play on the word "carnival"...and you're right, it's from Brain Salad Surgery.

Here's one:

Lonely feeling deep inside

...anyone know it?

No Sugar Tonight by The Guess Who

Here's one, not too obscure I hope:

Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends

Soundzgood to me. Also, having to be in bed by midnight offsets possible sleep depravation. I believe they had that rule for corps as well ...

Hmmm...Depravation = Moral Corruption

Deprivation = Loss

While twi certainly could have used some rules to offset "depravation", unfortunately the leaders were too busy practicing it...or as excathedra said "maybe the one-eyed monster should have been put to bed before midnight, eh ?"

I know it was just a spelling goof...but just look what happens when you change a letter ~ lol

Is this one too hard? i thought it was popular, but maybe it's just familiar to me because my husband is always singing it...

Here's the next line:

Where one man's nightmare is another man's dream

I'm going to answer this one and try something else...it's no fun if nobody gets it. Just 'cause my husband sings it doesn't mean anyone else does ~ sorry!

It's Heat of The Night by Bryan Adams.

How about this?

He came from somewhere back in her long ago

Other recent topics got me thinking of this.

So much of the twi experience toward the end of my involvement reminds me of kesey's description of the patients in One flew over the Cuckoos' nest.

He describes the young acute patients as being nervous, afraid to laugh too hard, afraid that a team of "docs" would try to figure out why they were happy..

really.. that was "us" here. If one was really happy, the branch guy's wife would insist on finding out WHY..

Excellent analogy! In our fellowship many people would not even laugh until they looked to see how our fearless leader (who happened to be the Limb coordinator also) was responding. There would be this awkward pause while all eyes turned toward him...if he cracked a smile, then the rest of the group would laugh.

Amazing how we willingly joined the loony bin, and paid dearly for the privilege of being "committed" :wacko:

How about this one:

I was caught in the crossfire of a silent scream

Is this one too hard? i thought it was popular, but maybe it's just familiar to me because my husband is always singing it...

Here's the next line:

Where one man's nightmare is another man's dream

How about this one:

I was caught in the crossfire of a silent scream

did we do this yet?

I'm not content to be with you in the daytime

All Day and All Of The Night ~ The Kinks

Thanks for the update. I would like to know when you get the site up and running again.

seems strange responding over a year later...but here it goes

almost as if in response to Chas's questions (truly sorry for the vast delay), i have recently reconstructed my website again to version +ODD.3 or so

and though my work doesnt suit everyone's tastes...i invite yalls to take a peek and perhaps even be inspired to offer brief or detailed comments

i am gathering them as part of an ongoing experience/experiment of this work

with grace and space...

+ODD

I'm interested to check out your artwork, but the link won't go through. The page can't be displayed.

If you read the ENTIRE site, nowhere does it give even a hint of what the participants will be doing or learning

What would possibly move you to think that this will be an "awesome" experience? If they've put as much thought into their program as they have their website, well, I wouldn't be expecting much.

I agree...there's no curriculum, not an inkling of what to expect...you shouldn't have to email for details in order to find out what it is that you are asking for details about.

And then there's this little gem from the home page of the website:

"If you are unable to do things that are outside of your comfort zone, then this is not for you." :blink: :(

WTF??? Sounds like a major red flag to me...

How about this one:

"After all the jacks are in their boxes"

"The rusted chains of prison moons are shattered by the sun"[/b]

Plenty of "herbs" in my 70's experience

"In The Court Of The Crimson King" by King Crimson

Don't beat yourself up, 2fer.

I knew next to nothing about TWI or VPW at the time this happened.

It's only now, 30+ years later, that it's starting to make any sense to me.

Heck, for all I know, maybe I wasn't supposed to understand it "in the moment".

Maybe the reason it was so vivid was so I would always remember it and it would resurface at a future date.

If that's the case, perhaps your "gut" reaction is really a similar experience----- not a warning of what to do, but a bit of data to be stored and understood at a future time.

Funny that we both felt that sense of guilt for having had such thoughts.

For me, the guilt grew because the more I thought I was learning about TWI and it's doctrines, the more reason I had to feel guilty stupid to have had those thoughts.

I don't know.

I'm only theorizing.

Even though I don't understand it, it is no longer a source of guilt for me and shouldn't be for you either.(IMO)

I think what bothered me in retrospect was realizing that, on some level, I really DID understand it in the moment. I knew what I felt, and I was never able to forget the impression it made, but it was so incongruent with what I thought twi was about, that I didn't allow myself to really heed the warning. I pushed it down, and didn't give it the attention it deserved. It was easier to doubt that still, small voice, than it was to consider what it was really telling me.

It's not a source of guilt for me...other than perhaps wishing I would have paid attention and gotten out a whole lot sooner. Any regrets I feel now are directly related to all the situations I KNEW were wrong, with no revelation required...all the times I sat quietly, and did not stand up and speak up when every fiber of me was crying out to do so...and I pushed those feelings down and kept coming back...maybe not guilt, but definitely disappointment and regrets...

I only wish I had a vision or revelation...call it what you will...that was as clear as vpw flipping the bird. Talk about communicating in a way that you could relate to.

I do know that the first time I met lcm in the flesh, I had a "gut" reaction of absolute disgust and revulsion. I too felt guilty and like something was wrong with me for feeling that way. Curious how we spent so much time supposedly learning about discerning of spirits, and word of knowledge, etc...and when it actually manifested in our lives with regard to twi...we were too indoctrinated to believe or heed it.

Why was VPW so consumed with devil spirits and the paranormal?

I thought he was the guy who was supposed to be showing us how to live "the more abundant life", no?

Good question, waysider! The more than abundant life was completely lost in the focus of the many and varied ways the devil was out to get us at all times.

It started with vpw and then lcm elevated it to an art form. We spent more time in twi looking for debbil spurts behind every tree, bush, and knick knack, than we ever did living abundantly. We had to learn their names, their characteristics, travel by twos for "protection", get permission to leave the state, etc, etc...to keep the "adversary" off our back.

I'm not one to quote Bible verses these days, but these just seem to apply:

1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Phil 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.

If only we could have had an Advanced Class that focused on learning how to really believe and apply those concepts!

Didn't mean to derail the thread...back to the topic at hand!

I apologize for not knowing the rules, George. Is there anything else I need to know to play? I didn't mean to step on any toes.

Oh well, I've posted a song (out of order-I'm sorry), and guessed one (hopefully correctly), so am I ok now?

The Ballad of John and Yoko

Here's another one:

"I been run down, I been lied to"

Can I play too?

Here goes:

Oh father high in heaven -- smile down upon your son...

"There is nothing in the world like a persuasive speech to fuddle the mental apparatus." ~ Mark Twain

"Public speaking is done in the public tongue, the national or tribal language; and the language of our tribe is the men's language. Of course women learn it. We're not dumb. If you can tell Margaret Thatcher from Ronald Reagan, or Indira Gandhi from General Somoza, by anything they say, tell me how. This is a man's world, so it talks a man's language."

Ursula K. LeGuin

Actually it reminds me of the story that was told in the Advanced Class about the group that went to the Philippines for psychic surgery, and were cured of their ailments, but (dramatic drum roll please)...within a year they all died, except the one person who refused the "surgery".

TWI were the masters of unverifiable "true" stories. What about LCM's claim at the Rock one year that "we have the only documented case of a person being completely healed of AIDS"?

And we all knew better than to ask who, what, where, when, etc...Never ask to see the documentation...and definitely pay no attention to the man or woman behind the curtain.

Some Favorite Robert A. Heinlein Quotes:

One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority.

Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything.

The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history.

Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.

Yield to temptation. It may not pass your way again.