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No, it isn't so much of a "war" with Chuck. Sometimes he used personal problems to garner sympathy instead of defend sociopathic behavior, but it differs only in degree. I don't know if Grizzy has the same examples I do, but [...edited out later...] are just two of the personal problems he's mentioned to me in the past, both while discussing completely unrelated topics.
As far as the "victim card" goes, would you forgive every single time you thought I had attacked you in some way if I revealed I had some tragedy in MY life? Of course not. EVERYONE's had tragedy in their lives, and while it might explain certain acute sociopathy, it never really excuses it.
Besides, Chuck's not the only one singing in the little obscenity chorus--what's their excuse? All the flap over Chuck's Victim Card has nicely obscured that. Still think it's not a ploy? Fine. But people accuse ME of being manipulative? Sheesh.
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Sweetheart, you've got more than a few of those Victim Cards in your deck, too. As for hypocrisy, you know the term "Xianity" offends me, yet you use it anyway. But of course, it's okay if you do it, because I'm sure you're just lashing out due to some personal tragedy.
Originally posted by excathedra:and the "victim card" or whatever you said is total crap zixar - you are so cruel and you defened your bible and your Xianity - hypocrite
I'm sure you'll fit right in over at JWO. Why don't you just stay there and join in with the lofty intellectual toilet-joke crowd of ex-GSers?
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I don't think Grizzy was implying that Chuck was lying about the time of his brother's death. He's saying this isn't the first time Chuck's used some problem of his as a Victim Card.
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Originally posted by simonzelotes:Some things surprise me here,and some things don't...First,I'm not at all surprised that Zixar started this thread and provided a link....While many people are amused at such things as internet flame-wars(probably the same way some people enjoy video golf,virtual reality or cyber-sex),I can't help but wonder if this thread wasn't started to draw some unfavorable attention to some of Zixar's former nemeses....
Well, Simon, it's not like *I* wrote it. I think some folks who may have supported some of the banned posters should see what kind of people they were defending. I clearly disclaimed the whole thing at the start, I even went back in and enlarged it in red text so no one would inadvertently be offended by this thread.
While the debating part of the thread reminds me of Don Rickles holding a thesaurus,(press button on laughtrack),the one issue there that keeps bothering me is how heartless Chuck has been addressed after the recent loss of his brother...
No one's saying the loss of his brother wasn't a tragedy. What I'm saying is that it's despicable that Chuck would use that tragedy to justify his tantrums. I have zero tolerance for that kind of crap.
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I'm also surprised Laleo wasn't more nouthetic(hey! I used a big word!)in how she would have spoken to Chuck differently than Satori...I consider Laleo to be sensible and articulate,but maybe she doesn't want to be the subject of Satori's wrath...Perhaps she lacks the time,or maybe this bit of "insensitivity" shown by Satori went over her head,through the woods and all the way to gramma's house...
I'm not surprised Zixar is numbed to Chuck's feelings...He always seemed to have trouble distinguishing the real world from the cyber world...
I suppose I'll get my due now,but frankly,I expected better out of you three...Have fun doing your armchair anal-ysis...after all,the game's more important than the players....
Simon, how is it that when YOU "anal-yze" laleo's and my motives, that's ok, but when I do it, that's somehow a bad thing? How is that not hypocritical of you?
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PAGE CONTENT WARNING: If Internet flame wars disgust you, please read no further.
Tom: laleo is a "sis", not a "bro".
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laleo: A sport? Oh, why not...
Okay, here's my quick analysis on the story so far:
1)Chuck still hadn't vented his full mad-on when he got banned, so of course he was going to start something nasty on JWO the first chance he got. Problem was, without me there to validate his tantrum, his conversation was one-sided. While the JWO folks pride themselves on their freedom of speech, even they would get quickly tired of people coming in and complaining about things the JWOs had no real referent for. You can see this where Refiner starts questioning exactly what Chuck and Mary Cate could base their potty-mouthed spew about Pawtucket and me upon.
2)Satori posted a cogent, pointed rebuttal of their scatological rants. He's shrewd enough to know this would not convince anyone there, but it would lay a foundation to show he wasn't the type whose sole argument is "Did not/did too!"
3)JanH jumped in for no apparent reason apart from picking a fight and made what appeared to be a confident argument, but unfortunately, most of what he said was based on sheer assertion, not on enough solid fact. Now, anyone around here should know that you just don't do that kind of condescending pontification around satori without him calling you on it.
4) JanH could have opted for a logic defense, burying the argument under a mound of minutiae of supporting evidence. Yet, that takes time, and apparently Jan didn't want to take that time. He underestimated satori, and countered instead with a very lame dismissal. Bad move. Satori feints with an ad hominem along the "Eurotrash" line, and Jan falls for it. His later responses have been nothing but obscene. Jan's "intellectual" credibility is now diminished.
5) Meanwhile, the Banned GSC-ers keep egging it on, but Chuck made a colossal mistake in trying to play his brother's tragic death as a "victim card". This never works in flame wars. In fact, it always backfires, unless the "victim" uses it in tandem with an apology to withdraw from the conflict. The Victim Card gives your opponent a HUGE easily-accessible button to push, and of course, Satori pushed it. Now, it does cause a bunch of folks on the periphery to flock around the Victim, but it's only a short-term gain. In the long run, the supporters discover the Victim Card was insincere, and worse, that it's not the victim's only tool for manipulative insincerity.
6) Back to the JWOs, they could use a bit of teamwork, but right now they're acting like the extras in a bad kung fu movie. Run in one at a time, and get slapped mercilessly about by the protagonist. Jan needs to ignore the ad hominem triggers and get back on track with solid refutation that he can back up if pushed. LongHauler needs to stop threatening and start swinging, if he's actually going to take part. It may have started to dawn on him that what I said in the first post about satori being immune to vulgar insult was actually the truth. There isn't a single four-letter word or combination of same that will faze satori in the slightest, and since they have no shock value, LongHauler will actually make himself look like an idiot if that's all he'll bring to the fight. Satori won't have to do anything.
7)Refiner's_Fire gives the impression that he doesn't really know which way to jump on this one. Right now, board loyalty is winning out, and satori may have pushed the ad hominem feints a bit too far to convince Refiner he's not a one-trick poster. In order to start garnering local support, Satori is going to have to let Jan start debating him instead of insulting him, then switch to his sociologic skills to fence the Norwegian into a corner. Since Jan has over 5000+ posts on JWO, he's bound to have made a few enemies over there. In order for them to come out of the woodwork, satori needs to take Jan down a peg at his own game.
8)I once thought satori was in over his head there, but so far, he hasn't even broken a sweat. I'm kind of surprised, because surely JWO arguments aren't solely decided on who can run together the longest cussin' string. I guess we'll see.
Now, am I right about all this? Well, who knows? No one's 100% predictable, but let's face it--if you've watched football for 20 years, you can pretty much see how the game is going to go by the end of the first quarter. It's the same with flame wars.
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Tom: Good point.
Anyone who still wants to keep tabs on it, please go read it yourself.
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...Various people try to take the blame for being the first to mention Chuck's brother on JWO (but, of course, it was Chuck himself who first brought it up over here, by using it as a "victim card". Anyone who would hide behind a personal tragedy as an excuse for antisocial behavior deserves everything they get. You can't sink much lower.)
...Rocky reveals he knows I'm reading the thread. (Duh.)
...More threats, but nothing backed up, yet.
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At least Refiner started questioning ***** and **** ****'s ridiculous assertion that I was somehow "evil" and that "Pawtucket is Zixar's b***h", but he apparently swallowed R***y's "version" of events and let it go, for now.
satori: Thanks for the props, BTW. I'll take the grudging respect of an opponent over a fair-weather "ally" any day.
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laleo/sudo: There's little point in my going over there, because all it would do is give the ones who've been banned something fresh with which to bang on their cages and screech. I've found it more amusing to just sit back and watch them vent their spleens at nothing.
Besides, I don't really have all that much against the JWO posters anyway. I figured that after
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;)-->But so far, the JWOs' skill has been questionable. Satori's just been playing with them, and they haven't put up a coordinated defense yet. It should be interesting to see how it plays out, or amusing, at the very least.
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Well, now Doug has jumped into the ring, too, threatening massive flame retaliation. Too early to tell if it's bluster, bluff, or serious...
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Zshot: Well, this one has gotten kind of nasty, so I wouldn't read it if you're looking for the old "satorian insight." However, for purely educational purposes about how to fight on the Web, it's not a bad example. It didn't take more than a couple of pages for the opposition to be reduced to mere "rebuttal by obscenity".
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rascal: Here's a link.
The thread is called (unsurprisingly) "The Holy Bible Is B-------".
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[NOTE: This really belongs in the JPS forum, but I don't have Create privileges there. Moderator: please move at your convenience.]
If Internet flame wars disgust you, please read no further.
However, if you're the kind of person that has a laugh at internet fights, grab some popcorn. There's a pretty good one starting up at JWO. Our old pugnacious pundit, satori, is tussling with some Norwegian guy, JanH, over there. JanH had a pretty good opening, but I was surprised at how fast he ran out of steam. Satori hasn't even warmed up yet, and "LongHauler" (Doug, here) is claiming satori's already "suffered" a "digital beating".
Doug: No offense, but you might tell Jan he isn't facing another paper-tiger malcontent like the other howling ex-GreaseSpotters who've taken up residence at JWO, nor is he facing another faux-intellectual BS-artiste. Satori is extremely good at this. He does have a couple of weak spots, but none of them is an Achilles' heel. If Jan really wants to get into it with him, he'd better start taking it a bit more seriously. If you want to have a go, I'll give you a little hint--Satori is completely immune to insult. The more four-letter words you stack into a post, the more he laughs at you for being childish. He's not a Christian, either. Don't waste any effort going down those two paths.
;)-->Good luck, and keep your guard up...
Zixar
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Apparently someone has been lighting the Kook-Magnet Beacon again...
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DVD XCopy puts that big Archive clip at the beginning of every disc, doesn't it? It won't copy off of a copy that has that clip.
DVD Shrink doesn't do any of that.
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LongGone: The waistband of her panties tends to bear out your observation, so I'll modify my hypothesis and just say that her mammarian symmetry is indeterminate from the given sample.
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laleo: I know, I was just going for the as-ter-isk joke. Lame though it was...
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Mark: There's a horizontal white line on the left-hand side of the photo, looks like a cordon rope. Put a straightedge along that line so that it bisects the picture, and you'll see that the breast on the right-hand side of the picture is noticeably lower, even though her shoulders are parallel to the rope. Therefore, she's not symmetrical, QED.
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Originally posted by Jim:No sense of irony, Zix?
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Well, there's your irony for you, Jim....
Originally posted by excathedra:look who's talking about bitching.
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Just gotta love dem "national antihistamines"!
Originally posted by Mark Sanguinetti:This is borrowed from one of our more intellectual and cerebral posters. Reprinted without permisssion.
10. A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose. Sex is a national antihistamine. It can help combat asthma and hay fever.
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Yes, laleo was rather courageous in that post, but then again, it's her *!
(Read that out loud, if you don't get it.)
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Bitch, bitch, bitch... I swear, some people would complain if you hung them with a new rope!
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Mark: Were you speaking figuratively? Kerry's "pair" are hardly symmetrical. Get a ruler if you don't believe me. She also had the misfortune to inherit her father's long, gaunt face. It's not that she's ugly by any means, and of course, you're entitled to your own opinion, but I think Jenna Bush beats her in every category save the outfit.
JustPlainSilly: If you like watching fights...
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