Don'tFenceMeIn

Imbus, I posted for only one reason--for the people who are still "in"--whether mentally or physically who still give any credence to people like Liar.

Actually, Sir Guessalot, it cost me something to post that. And, it wasn't a kneejerk reaction. I'm into the Life-machine, myself. Tootles, Fence

SirGuessALot said: So you hope I become a queen of pain? You know what you can do with your haughty attitude and your ridicule? Kindly keep your ridicule to yourself because I don't receive it. I am not one of your disciples and have noticed in all of your posts you say things about Jesus that just aren't true. You give a little truth in all but don't really say what Jesus says in the gospels in the right way. And, I don't think you've made it a secret that you don't consider yourself a Christian. But, you DO seem to consider yourself some sort of moderator or expert in something, I'm not sure what. But a lot of people are very impressed with your posts. So be it. Thank you Rascal for your post about how Jesus dealt with the pharisees. Yes, Liar came in here positing himself as our "spiritual leader." Just come unto me and I will teach you what is right and will turn you from your misguided and false ways. RIIIIIIIIIGHT! You know, Liar, we can laugh at your apparent belief that you have the RIGHT to set us straight by spewing so much waytalk, but what I don't laugh about is your being a part of and consenting to the same murder-rape-seduction Machine of the Way International. You may not be IN the way but the Way Machine is still in you. You represent the murder-machine and that is what I object to. As long as you stand with Dr. Wierwille, you consent to the same. Apparently you think all you have to say is "it didn't happen" and it will all be all right. And, you LEAD others to do the same. I believe that is wrong. The day I really KNEW the accuzations were true about Dr. Wierwille was watching Jennifer Flowers talk one day on T.V., of all people. Why? Because I finally REALIZED if THAT MANY women from different parts of the country (and different vocations) are ALL saying the same things about Bill Clinton, then it MUST be true. There was no way any of those women even KNEW each other. Yet, listening to them convinced me that he really was doing those things. Hum. So, no Liar, we will not come to you for spiritual counsel and we speak plainly to you for THINKING that you ARE just as Jesus spoke plainly to the pharisees who THOUGHT they WERE his spiritual leaders but WEREN'T. And, I believe it is Christ-like to stand up to you.

All of the ministers that I know, Oldies, go out of their way NOT to malign other ministers. So, no, I don't think they all do it. If all the ones I hung out with did that, I'd be looking for a new set of ministers.

Oh, I donnow, Jesus got pretty fedup with the religious, a**holes too who loved to rule over everyone else and loved to sit in the best seats and didn't care how much they hurt people. They said they spoke for God, too. So, no, I won't receive any guilt trip for what I've said. I'll let it stand.

Thanks, bro.

Immature people, mathemathical exactness, need meekness--you are SICK dude! First of all there is NO formula to manipulate God to approve of your sick agenda. YOU represent the heathen who STOLE the fruit of my womb and many other naieve, scared young women and you should be down on your KNEES BEGGING God Almighty to FORGIVE you for EVER counseling anyone that the embryo was not a child. You filthy, lying B******, do not disgrace God Almighty by saying you are one of HIS ministers when you have not repented of following doctrines of devils by consenting to and PROMOTING spilling the blood of countless, helpless, babies and robbing their mothers and fathers for the rest of their lives at the same time. If it takes the rest of my life, I will do everything in my power to put the spotlight on your sick doctrines of devils so that if only one life is saved, then I will have completed my task. Thank you

UH, To answer your points, I'm not saying there is anything WRONG with starting your own group. In fact, I'm very much in favor of it if that is what the Lord has told you to do. What I'm against is his defamation of other ministers who won't join up with him and his attitude, in general, that he needs to "warn" all of the ex-wafers when someone disagrees with him doctrinally. Slander is not right and it is none of his business if certain ministers disagree with him in any aspect of the Bible. As far as his repenting of his sins, that was the right thing to do. So, that does not mean he should get a pat on the back for doing the right thing which he ought to have done years earlier, does it? As A Christian minister of the Lord, there are certain "givens" that should never even be spoken of or even thought about and commiting habitual adultry is one of them. What I'm saying, is if he has truly turned from his own sins, then he should know that everyone does not always get EVERYTHING exactly RIGHT all of the time and have enough humility in his own heart to not then turn around and slander other ministers because of differences of theology (not sin). They stand or fall before their own master, the Lord Jesus Christ, not HIM. And it is not John's responsibility to "straighten everyone out." That's the Holy Spirit's job. Besides, slander isn't straightening anyone out, anyway. From what I've seen, he's the same 'ole cute personality, do what I say, bow down to me, John.

UncleHairy said: Well, actually, didn't he do EXACTLY what most of the rest of them did? Tried to get as many as possible of the new ex-wayfers to join up with him? Welllll, hummmmmmmmm, donoe about that, exactly. seems that he has also tried to railroad a couple of other ministers who didn't agree with him by sending out letters to believers in the area saying they wouldn't listen to "the truth" and calling them posessed. What was their real sin? Well, that they would not let him be their "leader." It seems that is the way he has proven his "LOVE" to those who have their own group but don't let him rule over them. I could say more about his LOVE for those close to him, but I'll stop there for now. Fence

Could ya send me some of those coupons? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Tom, Never heard of them. Ok, I looked them up and here's what was on Google: Carl's Jr. The Carl's Jr. menu is relatively uniform throughout the chain and features several charbroiled hamburgers and chicken sandwiches, including The Six Dollar Burger, Famous Star, Western Bacon Cheeseburger, Super Star, Charbroiler Chicken Sandwiches, Crispy Chicken Sandwiches, the Sourdough Bacon Cheeseburger and the Spicy Chicken Sandwich. The Company also offers a fish sandwich, stuffed baked potatoes, prepackaged salads, french fries, onion rings and fried zucchini. Most Carl's Jr. restaurants also have self-service salad bars and a breakfast menu including eggs, bacon, sausage, French Toast Dips, the Sunrise Sandwich, Croissant Sunrise Sandwich and a breakfast burrito. In addition, the restaurants sell a variety of promotional products on a limited basis. Carl's Jr. also offers a self-service salad bar and an all-you-can-drink beverage bar. Sounds good to me, especially right now! Do they have any chains in Indiana? Also, why do you ask????? Fence

Liar, I just had to add that I think you picked a very appropriate name for yourself. Regarding your posts, ***WEEEEEEE CAREEEEEE** All the best to ya buddy (or your highness, whichever you prefer, sir)

Good Job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D-->

Come on in here and duke it out John. Don't be sending your little gopher boy in here with a mess of pottage (sorry Jeff).

Abigail, I agree with you. This forum is for talking things out, which, in itself, sometimes, can be very healing. I could see in your posts that you felt very manipulated and you have every right to talk about it. That's what GS is for. I don't see you or rascal or myself portraying ourselves as victims, nor do I see any of us asking for sympathy. We're simply stating what happened and hoping to find some closure in our own lives with what happened and hopefully helping someone else in the process by comparing notes. Fencie

Well, OM, maybe you ARE John Lynn. Having said that, if you think that what we're talking about here, human life and animal souls, are as simple as eating the fish and spitting out the bones, then maybe you should consider some sort of therapy. I really do say that with all the love in my heart that I can muster. [This message was edited by Don'tFenceMeIn on January 15, 2004 at 7:48.]

Daryl, It's not easy for you to say something like that and I appreciate your candor. I wish you peace, happines, healing from your loss, and a long life. Love you brother :)--> Fence

rascal, I was long gone before the reign of terror kicked in, so I was never asked to give up my pets, but there is something Godly about loving any creature with a soul, isn't there? I mean, that's what's supposed to separate us from wild animals, isn't it? I'm so sorry about you doggie and horses. I will pray for God to heal that part of your heart too. When I look at my dog, she is a pain in the a** part of the time and a loving treasure the rest. And, sometimes I'm tempted to want to find another home for her, but then I quickly remember how blessed I am to have her love. She's always the one to pick up on it when I'm having a bad day and she follows me around and tries to jump in my lap and just pesters me to say she loves me. I really believe pets will be in heaven. After all, Jesus will come back riding a white horse, won't he? Fencie [This message was edited by Don'tFenceMeIn on January 14, 2004 at 14:24.]

ThanKKKKKKKKKKs! And where do the tears come from after all these years? Boy, do they ever end? With me, C.E., who is now, C.P., used the soft-sale technique. She brought up the idea, which SHOCKED me that a clergy's wife would think of such a thing because it had never entered my mind. All I wanted was how to deal with the horror of the situation I found myself in and some comforting and guiding words. She sure guided my selfish little immature stressed-out- to-the-max heart, didn't she? Even though I wasn't a quick sale, I ended up buying it in the end. And, that was because I didn't want my parents to know. But, if it isn't a person anyway, then why not? Well, I hope that God can use me in someway to help others on some level and that someday I can truly get over it (probably not until I see my child in heaven). But, hopefully, it will get easier as time goes on. Fence

(((((Rascal)))))), I know how you feel. I bought that doctrine of debils hogwash for way too long, too. I was told that I should take the easy way out and plan a family when I had met a guy who was spiritual and committed enough for me. Guess what? It was 22 years before I began dating someone that I was in love with after that. I was told I could have children when I was ready. Guess what? That was a lie. I wanted to but didn't ever get pregnant again. I remember finally seeing verses in the Word that said things about babies in the womb and that John the Baptist even leaped inside of Elizabeth when Mary showed up at their house. Yes, I realized then, in 2000, that I had done something terrible, and that I was the only one answering to God for it. Thank goodness, I believed God's forgiveness was there. The hardest person for me to forgive was ME...and I think I finally HAVE after all these years. Still, Christmas time is especially hard when all of my friends are out buying presents for their kids. In someways, it feels like God hasn't forgiven me because I didn't get another chance to be a mom. But, I know that isn't scriptural, but the pain and the shame has to be dealt with on a daily basis until something breaks and then it's less frequent. Still, I wonder what life would have been like had I gone to a compassionate person who would have guided me through the situation (which is what I was seeking) instead of convincing me that God didn't mind if I took the easy way out. Fencie

I still remember that VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, even MORDIFIED look on Mrs. Wierwille's face at the end and wondering WHY??????? Just my opinion, y'all, but I don't think Mrs. Wierwille was happy about this class a tall!

To answer the question if I thought it was any good, well, I thought it was DIFFERENT... [This message was edited by Don'tFenceMeIn on January 08, 2004 at 8:24.]

I still remember that VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, even MORDIFIED look on Mrs. Wierwille's face at the end and wondering WHY???????

For what it's worth, I've never been attracted to nor approached by clergy for sex. But, I totally GET that some young girls could fall for someone in authority that way and that the clergyman, in my opinion, is responsible to put on the brakes. If he doesn't, HE is to blame. You can't justify, in any world, fleecing the flock.

rascal, Amen and Amen. You just described what happened to me and my only child. Only, I still believe that the shame will be dealt with one day once and for all whether here on earth or, for sure, when we see the Lord face to face, because, I'm convinced his love will finally wash it away (one place or the other) for good. Fence