papajohn

hi CC,

we do have christ in us, the hope of glory.

keep the faith and always know that.

as far as any miracles in TWI, at the ROA of '84 I was in the book store and there was a man there singing, he was wearing thick dark glasses. I asked who he was and for the life of me I can't remember his name, but what I was 'told' by a friend who had more time in TWI and knew more about the people there, that this was a man who had been blind but had SOME sight restored by a miracle. I believed what I was told and maybe it was true, I wasen't there when it happened. it really has never crossed my mind till I read this post but I have a question about it. if god were to restore your sight through a miracle, wouldn't he restore it totally?

the only other miracle, which after working with alcoholics for many years I can understand what was happening then was this. a girl another WOW family had coming to their twig was an alcoholic. after several week someone 'higher' up than us pee-on WOW's told my family coordinator who was in his 3rd? yr of corp training that she was now his resoncability and would be coming to our twig. she was a mess, I felt for her. her and I became attached (friends) and when her drinking was worse, then she tried to quit, I went and took her to the hospital because of the D.T.'s. once she was released and back at her home, we went over to see her and there she was, hands and knees, scratching at us, trying to bite, and barking like a dog (literally). once we got her down on the floor, 'higher up man' prayed for her and laid his hands on her and she calmed down fast and started recognizing us and talking normal. of course right away this was taken as a miracle and as a good WOW I kept my mouth shut and and just nodded. I can't say it was a mirale or that it wasen't, but knowing now how people who are D.T.'ing can get, I question it.

other than those 2 issues, the only miracle I can say happened was that god opened my eyes and I left TWI and became a happier person.

there are things I learned in TWI that I still hold today, but for the most part those old habits (and thats what they were) died a long time ago.

love and blessings to all, and your pizza will be ready soon. (of course your not in my delivery area so I'll eat it for you and tell you how good it was) :)-->

congrats and I wish I could be there.

I hope you have manny happy days together and God blesses you in all ways.

:D-->

I wish you all were in my delivery area. I'd deliver a pizza, a drink, and a hug.

love you all, thanks for the input.

WE'RE the best and don't let anyone tell you anything different.

I couldn't have said it better oenophile!!!!!

God bless us everyone

it didn't take me very long. when I questioned what was being taught I was asked to leave so I did. but then I'm a cold hearted b@#$%^d and don't take many things on faith when it's taught by man.

a note: in the future when you hear the head preacher and sex with someone other than his wife, RUNNNNNNNNNNNN

it's wonderful to see the posts on this thread.

forgiving can be the first part of healing.

you are all great people in gods sight and to overcome what was done is a great triumph.

much love to you all,

papajohn

P.S.

I never said forget, and that doesn't go hand in hand with forgiving. never forget because when you do, you fall back into that trap.

Mark 11

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

thanks for the welcome Roy, I see it too.

BackForty

it's never the only choice, and I never said forget.

who is happy all the time?

Steve

does someone have to ask for your forgivness before you forgive or do you forgive out of the goodness of your heart?

exca

maybe I said it wrong, us, we, I, it's just something that was on my heart so I posted it.

don't get me wrong, I know I/we went through hell with some of the things that happened to me/us in TWI. I wrote this after I read a ton of posts and other sites about TWI and it seems that people are bent on keeping TWI alive through hate. of course they were wrong for what they (TWI) did, I just don't want people to let it dominate their lives and feel they can't move on.

I love this site, it is very healing, and yes it's a need for people to hear the things that have happened. at the same time, if people aren't going to leave after reading everything avalible online now, repeating it over and over again isn't going to help. maybe there should be more posts about what happens after you leave.

maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, but I feel it was something "I" needed to say.

I love you all and didn't mean any harm to anyone and hope no one took it that way. I repect you all and don't want to deny you your feelings.

with much love and many healing hugs,

papajohn.

shouldn't we?

I know there were alot of things that went wrong, and I'm not saying lets forgive and get back together. I'm saying shouldn't we forgive and move on?

I'm 44 with a 7 yr old son.

best thing that ever happened to me, keeps me younger than I already am.....

of course people always ask me if he's my 1st grandson, to which I respond, no, my last son.

being a single dad is great.

I still pick apart things I hear now about 'teachings', a hard habit to break.

but then you have to pick it apart to understand it and if it's correct or not.

if anyone knows mark and susan these days and can give them a note for me that I'm looking to touch bases with them, I would be very happy.

Gary Arena was a good friend of mine who I took the PFAL class with in New Orleans. Gary was the class clown and never missed the oportunity to cheer up anyone who needed it.

I remember one night I was just about to drift off to sleep, when in my bedroom comes Gary, in a full divers bell and suit. all I could hear was this deep labored breathing, then the words, Luke, I am your father.

heres to you my brother..... ;)-->

I love you my daughter and miss you daily....

I like that old christmas tune, flyin purple people eater

"I was just here, where did I go"