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Maybe this isn't a new class for new people. The name of it makes me think it is for existing "grads" of PFAL or whatever foundational class they took. It's a lot easier to get 18 existing students to cough up some money from those who are already part of the fold then to scrounge up a few brand new people and charge them for something they really don't want. Existing believers are probably hankering for something "new". It's been a long time for them and I think it would be relatively easy to squeeze them for the fee(s). Voila - a new income source.

Me, too. I'm still working on it.

We all are!

Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger!

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The only time ever given to inrez corps was "self-structured."

Note to self: THAT should have been a red flag of things to come.

Well, then, that's what I did wrong! I never joined the "inrez corps". I was merely a lowlife lowly pond scum twit wife.

You had free time???

You know what wouldnt surprise me? If Rosie all of a sudden puts the kibosh on some of the more openly displayed hidden lesbian relationships going on around hq and corpse. To whitewash the image, deny the hidden culture, distance herself from the past.

You know, put some more cult in culture, that kind of shizzle.

I wonder - - where were the homo relationships? It is fairly well known that there were lesbian relationships, but, I've never heard of the male relationships, although I imagine if there was one, there must have been the other. The forrid (thanks DWBH) spouted about them enough, so I wonder where they were? .

We women were subjected to the same things discussed here on this thread, and, in other places in the Cafe. If you were married, you had something else added making it a double whammy. It was the S- word.........submit!

It's not supposed to be some terrible thing. I think you all know about this, we were taught it fairly often. Basically, it means that the wife gives deference to the husband in all things. They will discuss things, and if there is no agreement between the 2, the husband has the final say. We were also taught that whatever the husband said was to be taken as if it was law. He was the head over the woman just as Christ was the head of the church. That makes a lot of sense to me. The problem occurs when the husband really takes to this “submit” policy. For a time, I was in this situation and so my identity was that I was no better than a slave.

Old habits sometimes die hard. That was the situation with this. It took several years after we left until it began to resolve itself into a more normal husband-wife relationship.

Didn't you have a Refreshments Lady who took care of all that food stuff?? We had one of those - - and she watched the sales. When coffee was on sale, everyone was asked to kick in some cash OR bring a can of coffee. The same went for all of those consumable supplies on hand. She also got people to bring things to eat...simple things....we kept it really simple most of the time.

Loon.

I hope I misread this - - because we don't name call here.

True, Allen. It has a life of its own....doesn't it?!

Penworks did a good job of describing ordination from inside the organization, and, indeed any organization. She aptly described things from inside twi or another “church”.This is an instance of one brush not painting all boards. I think we should look at society's take on it.

Ordination permits individuals to go places where ordinary non-ordained folks cannot go such as certain places in hospitals and even all places at non-visiting hours. Even those who don't subscribe to prayer for healing, would often like their pastor there with them sometimes. Catholic Priests and Jewish Rabbis have such permissions, why not others.Also, anyone who is Ordained in any religion can preside at weddings, funerals, etc. (I know one may obtain a certificate on the web).

I admit I've known some who were ordained in twi who didn't really meet the standards, but, I've also known a few who did! I also know several other ordained individuals who met the standard according to Scripture ….you could see it immediately by their lives and their churches.

There seems to be no bottom to the pain that vpw's faulty teaching has caused. He's dead 30 years now and one would think the results of his evils would have subsided! Nope - - and this is not an old post.

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I like Steve's post (above). In my opinion, it addresses each thought on this thread with clear, plain, and direct language.

cute pictures...but can you please just explain WHAT Jesus meant in Matthew 21:22 ????!!! Anyone ???!!! Before re-directing it to 'doctrinal' section ( which is where I can see it being swept to )...please give your 'interpretation' of it? was it a 'gospel' thing only, did he lie, delude, grand stand, seduce, with his statement. Is it an interpretational error...what ??!!

I cannot, Allan.

However, there must be some constraints on that "whatsoever" because I can think of a lot of things I could pray for that I might not necessarily receive.

One of the points of GreaseSpot is to act as a place where we (all or individually) hang out a big sign warning everyone away from the corn field. That must continue until the cornfield doesn't exist any more.

The point is that "revelation" was "given" to those higher up in the twi hierarchy that wasn't really revelation from God. That faux guidance was manipulative of the underlings and put those people in dangerous situations.

Exactly. People participated in LEAD, thinking the whole thing was revelation based. It wasn't. Some suffered life long disabilities because they thought they were following revelation given to leadership. Others weren't so lucky and lost their lives completely. I never went LEAD but I did a lot of foolish things that I had serious doubts about at the time. I thought my intuitive doubts were unbelief and pushed on recklessly because I thought my 5 senses were betraying me. It all sounds crazy looking back from a different perspective.

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I wonder if anyone really received revelation of any kind at all That bunch of clowns on the farm in Ohio was so corrupt they would say anything to manipulate the masses. From what I've read, they didn't give a rat's @@@ about any Corps people. I think they would tell you they got revelation to tell you to hitch hike to L.E.A.D. just so they could save the money for the bus fare to get you out there and back!

FWIW - I do believe that many of you safely made it out there and back by prayer and/or operation of one or more manifestations....but that's to your credit....not theirs.

This was edited because on first posting, the second paragraph (from Waysider) didn't get included and it should have been. Oops!

If that was revelation...it didn't come from the God I know!

So Twinky ( Jesus meant in Matthew 21:22 that whatsoever we ask in prayer ( regarding ? trusting ? truthfully ? ) we shall receive ?! It's a bit hard too btw when a 9 year old girl is in an induced coma to expect HER to believe ?!

Allen....Believing is always required EXCEPT for children and the mentally infirm. Someone must believe for them. In your case, the young girl would not have had to believe even if she was awake. It was most likely you who was doing the believing. You were manifesting both Believing and healing....and it probably was a miracle.

"See you at twig.......and don't be late"

Can I help with refreshments? I know how to stretch coffee.

I'm willing to wash styrofoam cups!

Of course, Monday Morning Quarterbacking always works, but I can't help but think he also told the truth by slamming the door and leaving no forwarding information. It effectively said, "I'm done! I'm gone! Leave me alone because I want nothing further to do with you".

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What a great commentary that is Bolshevik! I love it.

Episode #2

Propo: What is COBOL?

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see you next episode

nope.....not me!

What I have kept, has been helpful and even essential. But I was selective and dropped so many things. Most of the wiser people did the same thing....pick and chose.

Yeah....its like mystique BECOMES reality in their world.

And, this mystique holds preeminence FROM A DISTANCE.

In twi, the wierwille-mystique vanquishes all critical thought processes.

As the adulation grow, it borders on idolatry.

"The man" becomes the great power of God.

*I added the bold text for emphasis*

Nope! It WAS idolatry! When you put anything in the place of God, it is idolatry