krys

Something that really did bug me, however, were those individuals who took my money and never wrote back. I didn't expect everyone to be all on the money every month. I always was willing to cut them a little slack. But part of the deal was that the individuals were supposed to write back and release something. Maybe it was part of a teaching...or maybe just a principle they saw live for the first time. But those who thought they were just too good to write to li'l old me......That made me unhappy.

I was told that not everybody could make it through the Corps program......so it never bothered me if somebody didn't finish. I always gave them kudos for giving it a shot!

My new definition of success is Out of twi!

It's fascinating. I don't understand it all either because I didn't take the time to read and study (internalize) any of the qualities as they were laid out. When I was young, I used to think that everybody was different. Lately, over the past decade and a half, I've come to see that that isn't so. People are more alike than I'd thought. Placing them in groups such as this dynamic makes it easier to categorize.

I'm not sure that there are only 3 dimensions, but that certainly stands for now.

I've been thinking a lot about her and the situation since I posted that. I have to admit, there was a lazy streak in there. It was just too easy to follow what somebody else said because it was familiar. But the last time I saw her before that time that we reconnected was about 12 years earlier. She appeared to age 25 years or more during that time. Her eyes were dull and she was too. I guess it's really true that you become what you look at.

Have a good one!

I am also really glad to hear that good news, Tommy.

I am aware of one person I knew very very well who has never left, but has remained. As long as she knew where to go for meetings, she's attended more or less faithfully but not nearly with the same vigor she used to have. Many years ago this person tracked me down and asked me all about the lawsuit and a few other things and I explained to her in detail what I knew. I know more now than I did then because of these web sites.

She went back. Even after knowing what was going on. I can't explain that. In the recent past, we reconnected again and this time she invited me to go back with her telling me it was nothing like the "old days". What happened? I don't know! I am sure, though, that I don't want any more of that business. I guess she forgot that conversation we had!

Indeed, it was!

I do like the way you think Skyrider.

I'm so thankful that I'm free. I don't have to walk between the lines, so to speak. I don't have to eat frozen fruit for breakfast on a bleak cold February morning. I can wear a cross if I want to. (gasp!) I can go shopping alone. My Wednesday evenings are my own. I know you've figured out where I'm going with this.

Happy New Year.

Happy New Year Mr. Linder.

I threw everything out thoughtlessly. I wish I had paid more attention to what I was heaving on the garbage pile because there were some really good things in there. I've actually replaced some of those items. It is a personal thing, however so of course ymmv.

I'm going to download and print or keep on a cd some of those important articles such as : the one from John Judes site on "Believing" and quite a few others. From here there is one that Raf did, I believe, on PFAL and also, I believe he did one on the errors in the Blue Book.

We're presently having a discussion here and the topic of "believing" came up. I couldn't remember all the nuances so I had to go back to the site and get it. If there is a discussion with someone else, face to face and I'm trying to have them understand why the "Law of Believing" is NOT the way to follow, I want to know that I have all of those things at the ready. I want to have access to those things for those who are newly out and are looking for ways to shake loose from twi thinking.

Twinky if you need the space, you need the space. Can you go through some of it to keep out the important documents. The individual threads may not be that important now, but some of the other things might be necessary. For me, I know that I want to be around to warn anybody who's thinking about them, and to help however I can those that want to get out. Having accurate copies of some of this stuff is important to me for that reason. But that's me. You have a totally different life in another place so there's no need to do what I do

Nero I'm sorry about your mother getting sucked back in. I've had a number of people tell me the same thing i.e. it is a quieter gentler organization. A number of my close com padres left but all they did was slide into a splinter group so they weren't really "out". They kept bugging me, but they got nowhere. I've been out almost 12 years so perhaps I was less vulnerable having straightened out some of my mind by that time.

I sorta get the gist of what you're saying....but I will have to take your word for it.

Waysider, your post reminded me of the book....."Who Stole My Cheese"?"

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I never intended that any of the organization's goals and practices were transplanted into the world.

WordWolf, you get the prize for analogy and simile. Your Nazi and Anne Frank is astounding!

WordWolf is right.....and yet - -

Here we are...scattered abroad. And we impact culture a little bit at a time as we move along and live our

lives. Who else in my school building had their teacher pray for them before a big exam??? And....each of us in our own right did something similar. That wasn't what vp had in mind. But that, nevertheless did and still does have impact in the culture in which we live

It's there....just not the way we were taught it should be there. Do you understand my thoughts or should I rephrase them?

Do you agree at all or not. Be frank and let me know what you think because I really want to know.

Right you are excathy!

I wasn't there in the thick of it, but I've heard that there was a discussion at hq between vhs and beta.....which one to go with....and they - - those that supposedly knew about the machines.....that beta max was a better product (I'm talking about the machine itself, not the tape going in or out) and so that was the machine twi selected. Then....the "adversary" chose to promote vhs to leave them (twi) high and dry! And eventually even twi had to go that way - vhs - - . That may be true or it may not be....it is simply what yours' truly was told.

As far as "word in culture"....one will have that to the degree that individuals in the culture - authors - musicians - artists - etc.... themselves, have it in them and hold it in high regard.

Sure, Kit. I'm on it!

Since there were no reports for about a year, I'll guess that Brian did not lose his leg (a miracle, in itself).

I do pray for his complete healing.

George

I'll do the same, George

krys

Nelson Mandela died in his home yesterday in South Africa.

I've been watching some of the tributes on the airwaves today and it looks like the world lost another one of the best.

Even though it was necessary to get all the info out about the plagiarism, and the rocking motion in the coach (and other places) and the other negative and evil things that have come out on these and other boards, I frequently felt a bit embarrassed about it, since I knew his kids would be reading it, and who wants to read that kind of junk about your parents?.

I was thinking about this as I was performing some serious maintenance yesterday....and my evil twin (:D) thought - Good for you, then! You don't wanna learn the simple basic keep away from attachments that are questionable! OK. I'm gonna get you every time - - only this time I'm gonna take some cash to bail your a$$e$ out!

Thanks everyone. This has been one of those threads where as I read it and thought about what was written, parts of my understanding were pushed into place such that I have a much fuller understanding of sanctification; what it is, and what it isn't. I remember some one taught me in my early days that sanctification meant that I could stand before God without any sense of sin, guilt or unrighteousness. Of course that means I have to be doing my job too. I'm not trying to return to twi thoughts and contrivances - - but those words in light of this thread help put it together for me.

Steve said: <br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">We are RESPONSIBLE now, newlife, and by God's mercy and grace through our Lord Jesus Christ, we are able to respond properly if we decide to walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Don't let anybody talk you out of your responsibility, because your responsibility is also your liberty.

This falls right in line with what my mother would tell me when I was out of line....You're 9 years old (or whatever age I was at the tine) now act like it! I'm sure I had the only parent in the world who spoke those words (not)

With what I know about vp's penchant for plagiarism, I wouldn't be so sure he wrote it.

I don't know about extrapolating all that from his teachings, but the info I heard directly from Mrs. W was that early on they didn't understand the trinity or accept it because it didn't make sense to them so they held it in abeyance (like avoiding teaching topics on it) until later when he wrote the book on it and started teaching on it more openly.