Liberty

[damurf]

I have had political inclinations most of my life in some form or another but a few years ago I became pretty disillusioned at the sad state that our country had become. After 9-11 our government has passed a series of laws and acts that have seriously compromised our freedoms, we get searched at airports and the government can look in on us at about any time even to the point of the FBI is allowed to enter our houses without a warrant and search our homes even when we aren't there. We can be indefinitely detained without any charges and not allowed legal representation, recently there has been a bill passed that seriously limits our freedom of speech to where we can't protest within a certain radius of any Secret Service, we can be detained.

When they passed the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) with it's provisions that they can detain US citizens indefinitely without due process and even execute them if they deem necessary it was a wake up call to me. I was suddenly posting things about it constantly on Facebook and anywhere else I could find audience. It opened my eyes to other things as well, to understand what has happened to our government and the blatant disregard for what our Constitution says about limiting government.

I then became interested in Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement. I found that the folks who were involved in it thought very much like me and had the same desires for our country...for it to be free. I have been a Libertarian basically since I even knew what it was or first heard about it. Not so much because they believe that drugs should be legal (which at the time was an incentive as well) but because they believe that government's role in our lives should be as minimal as possible. That the Federal Government's job was to protect our liberties...and those liberties according to the Constitution are given to us by God and not the US Government.

So, I got involved and ended up becoming a county coordinator in my county and then a delegate. If any of you were paying attention at all you might have seen that we were receiving a lot of resistance. The corporate news media was blocking him out and distorting the facts like he wasn't even in the race. This only fueled my belief in what we were/are doing is right. He would show up for a rally and there would be thousands there and the media would report a couple hundred. One rally in California had over 10,000 and I was at three here in Missouri that were over 2000.

We weren't too successful in our district and state conventions but we did move some of the platform to be more liberty oriented. The point of my writing this was how I was so disillusioned in our government and basically just gave up hope for it to ever be any better...until now. I now believe that there is a chance that we can change things. We aren't using money and fueled by Wall Street like most of our government is but we are a small group of people who are lighting fires and making our voices heard.

After reading some of the stories on here and learning about how things were in our government really sickened me, just how money and power can corrupt so many things in our lives. We have to be careful ourselves so as not to be corrupted with it by accepting bribes or whatever you would like to call their hand outs so that we keep our mouths shut. The government bribes us in many ways with all it's social programs making us dependent on them so that we think that they are oh so good to us only to make us slaves to the very system that we think is good. I think that TWI did that to many of us as well, it gave us a feel good feeling and got us to pay our hard earned money into a beast that was bleeding us dry. It is like a black hole just sucking the life out of us and the will to fight is eventually drained from us.

This is my rant, it may not be suitable to post here by it's political material or maybe it is...it is only my opinion and what has been going on with me. I truly love what our country has been and I think that it can still be but the forces of evil are very much driving the bus right now and they have a lot of money behind them pushing us to pay our taxes and be good citizens so that they can protect us from harm. I seen a video where Jesse Ventura was saying that when they tell us that they are protecting us then we need to watch out because we are going to lose our freedom.

[waysider]

Hey, there, Murf.

We used to have a political forum here but it became too cumbersome to manage. (To say the least.) When that forum closed, some of its frequent participants started their own forum someplace else. I don't recall the address for it, as I am not too keen on political discussion, myself. I'm hopeful, though, someone will come along who remembers how to find that place. (If it's still active.) It may be just the kind of place you're looking for because it's all ex-Way followers.

I like the way you parallel what is happening in government and what happened with The Way. Corruption of power isn't bound by genres. It will take root wherever the conditions will allow.

If I can remember where that site is, I'll post it here. (Unless someone else beats me to it.)

Peace, Brother

edit:

Here it is.

http://www.blueredusa.com/smf/index.php

Edited June 9, 2012 by waysider

[damurf]

Hey, there, Murf.

We used to have a political forum here but it became too cumbersome to manage. (To say the least.) When that forum closed, some of its frequent participants started their own forum someplace else. I don't recall the address for it, as I am not too keen on political discussion, myself. I'm hopeful, though, someone will come along who remembers how to find that place. (If it's still active.) It may be just the kind of place you're looking for because it's all ex-Way followers.

I like the way you parallel what is happening in government and what happened with The Way. Corruption of power isn't bound by genres. It will take root wherever the conditions will allow.

If I can remember where that site is, I'll post it here. (Unless someone else beats me to it.)

Peace, Brother

edit:

Here it is.

http://www.blueredus...m/smf/index.php

Thanks Waysider

[Human without the bean]

All pertinent stuff.

[damurf]

All pertinent stuff.

It was intended to focus more on the disillusionment rather than to be a discussion on politics. I knew that political discussions weren't really part of this forum, I just got to thinking about how in many ways things were similar. The disgust I had/have for the current situation of either one because of the corruption and the deception used on masses of people is practically overwhelming. I just felt like I need to do as much as I can to dispel the darkness and educate people around me as to what I see is going on.

Thanks!

[waysider]

Stick around, Murf. All viewpoints are welcomed...Not always agreed with, but always welcomed. ;)

[damurf]

Stick around, Murf. All viewpoints are welcomed...Not always agreed with, but always welcomed. ;)

Thanks! We aren't robots or clones so it is only right that we would disagree at least on some subjects. I have learned to listen to those who I may disagree with just to get a different point of view. It sometimes will even sway me from my own opinions because I am more able to see it from a different angle. I learned a long time ago that things aren't necessarily as they appear, so one has to be willing to change their minds about things or at least teachable or we end up becoming dumb and stubborn.