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  1. waysider

    Victor Barnard pleads guilty

    I just come here for the refreshments. Let me know when the coffee's ready.
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    Thus Saith Paul

    The "nostalgia for research" article/thread prompted me to contemplate the significance of "inerrancy". The Way Ministry focused primarily on study of The Pauline Epistles. This was a precedent that was established early in the PFAL class via the introduction of Biblical administrations (Dispensationalism), the concept of observing "To Whom It Is Written" and the idea behind all people belonging to three specific categories. ("Jew, Gentile or Church of God") In addition, it was established early in the PFAL class that what "Holy Men of God" spoke or wrote was tantamount to words directly from God, himself. Thus, we were to consider the contents of The Church Epistles to be equivalent to words from God (Holy Men Of God Spoke.), directly to us (To The Church of God), At one point during the course of the Fellow Laborer program, we were to read Ephesians a minimum of once a day. Then, we were to rehash it at our night twigs every night. Given the rigidness of the schedule we observed, this didn't last long nor were people very consistent in their diligence. That, however, is probably fodder for another topic. Here is were it gets sticky. Using the aforementioned criteria, it became an accepted "given" that whatever Paul said in Ephesians, Corinthians, etc was the same thing as God saying it directly to us. Suppose for a moment, though, that Paul was, perhaps, the VPW of his day. (So often, people would put forth the inverse idea that VPW was the Apostle Paul of our day and time.) Even now, years after his death, with the advent of the internet and the plethora of information it puts at our fingertips, some people still aren't able to see that VPW was really a con-man. People in the first century did not have access to resources that could prove or disprove Paul's legitimacy. We have heard people say that it's God's will we all speak in tongues (one example) because God said so in "His Word". Did He? Or, was it Paul who made that statement? Question five, of "listening with a purpose", in session eleven, poses the question, "Is it God's will that we all speak in tongues?" According to the answer key, the correct answer is "Yes". But think about it. Who really said "I would that ye all speak in tongues."? Wasn't it, in fact, Paul? Did he really say that "to us" or to a specific group of people two thousand years ago? There are many, many more examples of places where you could insert "Thus Saith Paul." What if Paul was really a forerunner of what we now call "con men"? What if Paul was the VPWFHDAT? (VPW for his day and time) It certainly shines a very different light on the importance and "inerrancy" of The Epistles.
  3. waysider

    Hi

    Welcome aboard. Raspberry scones are the special today.
  4. Thanks for your take on the matter, Way back when. Not everyone reacts the same to adversity. I'm glad you were able to put yourself on a better course. Not everyone can do that on their own. And, sometimes things aren't as they appear to be. I suggest you stick around awhile and get to know people a bit more before you pass judgement. Well, anyhow, have a coffee on the house and look around a bit more.
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    Thus Saith Paul

    Well, I try to entertain all possibilities. I mean, what's a party without a little entertainment, eh?
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    Thus Saith Paul

    OR..the whole thing is metaphoric and was never meant to be taken literally.
  7. waysider

    Splinter Cults are WORSE........not better

    Whipping a dead horse, in hopes it will spring back to life.
  8. waysider

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Label makers weren't invented until 1935. So, there's that....
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    Thus Saith Paul

    I'm sure there must be a name for this kind of flawed logic. I just don't know what it is.
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    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    When I read this part, I believed it. Not in a literal sense, but metaphorically. My wife has an office in our home and works remotely. So, my mind automatically assumed you must have an office in your garage, the "teleporter" being a computer. Will people 2,000 years from now know what a computer was? I'm currently studying an Asian language. I have no delusions of ever becoming fluent. There just aren't enough years left in my life for that sort of growth. Someone once said that it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. That's how it is with me. Now, as part of my studies, I'm reading a book that is comprised of about a dozen classic folk stories that have been passed down through the ages by way of oral tradition. These stories have continued to survive because they have been used to teach certain values such as patience, diligence, modesty, wisdom and so on. Studying them is supposed to improve my reading skills. So far, so good. When I read these stories, am I to believe there was once a tortoise that raced with a hare and won? Or, that the sun and the moon were once a brother and sister who ascended into heaven on a rope to escape an evil tiger? Well, the answer is, of course, no. But, what I can believe is that these stories teach valuable life lessons that are worthy of preservation. Where I might get into trouble, though, is if I start believing I can climb up to heaven on a rope.
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    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    It's a variation of "I think, therefore I am." (You have to exist in order to think.)
  12. waysider

    Victor Barnard pleads guilty

    I think you might have those shoes on backwards.
  13. waysider

    Thus Saith Paul

    It makes sense to move it.
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    Thus Saith Paul

    I'm not sure. The thread is over 9 years old. My thoughts on many things have certainly changed over that stretch of time. If I was starting the thread today, I would probably start it in Questioning Faith.
  15. waysider

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Here and now
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    Thus Saith Paul

    ...or so he claimed. (hence: Thus saith Paul.)
  17. Nah. If these guys had really believed all that shtuff about devil spirits and the *law of believing* they wouldn't have felt the need for armed protection. Gun culture was really big in The Way back in the 1970's. Why is that? Could it have had something to do with VPW's ties to radical white supremacy groups? "Believing for thee, handguns for me" should have been their motto.
  18. That's probably why he enlisted the aid of armed bodyguards or why, on at least one documented occasion, a loaded gun was kept under the podium in the BRC..
  19. I meant to add that I first heard this story in 1972 from an Advanced Class grad.. It was told as if it had happened several years prior to the telling, in some non-TWI group. Then, I heard it again, being taught in the Advanced Class, by VPW, in 1973.
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    Thus Saith Paul

    Here is where this thread started: Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) The "nostalgia for research" article/thread prompted me to contemplate the significance of "inerrancy". The Way Ministry focused primarily on study of The Pauline Epistles. This was a precedent that was established early in the PFAL class via the introduction of Biblical administrations (Dispensationalism), the concept of observing "To Whom It Is Written" and the idea behind all people belonging to three specific categories. ("Jew, Gentile or Church of God") In addition, it was established early in the PFAL class that what "Holy Men of God" spoke or wrote was tantamount to words directly from God, himself. Thus, we were to consider the contents of The Church Epistles to be equivalent to words from God (Holy Men Of God Spoke.), directly to us (To The Church of God), At one point during the course of the Fellow Laborer program, we were to read Ephesians a minimum of once a day. Then, we were to rehash it at our night twigs every night. Given the rigidness of the schedule we observed, this didn't last long nor were people very consistent in their diligence. That, however, is probably fodder for another topic. Here is were it gets sticky. Using the aforementioned criteria, it became an accepted "given" that whatever Paul said in Ephesians, Corinthians, etc was the same thing as God saying it directly to us. Suppose for a moment, though, that Paul was, perhaps, the VPW of his day. (So often, people would put forth the inverse idea that VPW was the Apostle Paul of our day and time.) Even now, years after his death, with the advent of the internet and the plethora of information it puts at our fingertips, some people still aren't able to see that VPW was really a con-man. People in the first century did not have access to resources that could prove or disprove Paul's legitimacy. We have heard people say that it's God's will we all speak in tongues (one example) because God said so in "His Word". Did He? Or, was it Paul who made that statement? Question five, of "listening with a purpose", in session eleven, poses the question, "Is it God's will that we all speak in tongues?" According to the answer key, the correct answer is "Yes". But think about it. Who really said "I would that ye all speak in tongues."? Wasn't it, in fact, Paul? Did he really say that "to us" or to a specific group of people two thousand years ago? There are many, many more examples of places where you could insert "Thus Saith Paul." What if Paul was really a forerunner of what we now call "con men"? What if Paul was the VPWFHDAT? (VPW for his day and time) It certainly shines a very different light on the importance and "inerrancy" of The Epistles.
  21. waysider

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Fortunately, though, history did preserve the memory of King Tut.
  22. I think it was in the Advanced Class that VPW claimed some guy tried to cast out a spirit without having been given revelation to do so. The spirit supposedly smacked the guy silly and laid him out on the floor.The lesson we were supposed to get from this was that you are not supposed to act without guidance to do so.But, of course, you still have the whole deal with VP dying from cancer. You probably recall that he also taught in the Advanced Class that cancer is a devil spirit. So, the guy who we followed because we thought he was the spiritual guru of the entire world was either possessed or (more likely) full of beans on this whole subject of devil spirits and a whole lot of other stuff. And, now we have people like this R&R group who want us to believe them when they perpetuate this regurgitated sort of rubbish.
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    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Then again, maybe it's you who missed my point. If you had taken a few minutes to look at what I suggested you would have seen that Campbell's work is not explicitly about Jesus or any other specific narrative.It's about Man's need to give meaning to the seemingly unexplainable.
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    Belonging

    It's like herpes. It never really goes away.
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    Belonging

    Social isolation puts you at a much higher risk for developing dementia, as well. Something to think about.
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