Is God an object?

[Too Gray Now]

Now, about the duck. No... It is not the insurance duck... it is not a cousin to Daffy or Donald, either. :)

It is just a no-name duck.

It is a litteral picture of what many people ACTUALLY say... "I duck-taped it into place." I get huge chuckle out of it. Like when people say - "He landed on the cement floor". Cement and concrete, not the same thing... but hey... as long as you ACTUALLY know the difference... who cares.

Duct Tape is for professionals and grown ups. Duck Tape is what kids start saying and have to learn. "Cement" is for the Beverly Hillbillies "pond" probably because Mr. Drysdale did not correct Granny. Did not want to offend - he had millions of reasons to let her stay mis-informed.

I think religion has a lot of "cement" and "Duck Tape" still in it. Stuff we learned as kids and should have outgrown a long time ago...

Someday, we will all grow up.

[Too Gray Now]

CM and others... who have been reading stuff I posted....

I APPOLOGIZE!!

A few posts ago, I ended up posting (by mistake) a synthesis of stuff... including Sex, Baptists, etc.

That was actually part of another writing - which was for the benefit of a personal friend I went to high school with... and - it came to mind when I was asked to clarify about Causality.

So I cut and pasted - and then went to work on editing...

It appears that I ended up posting it before I edited it.

I NEVER intended to put that sort of "personal" info onto this thread. Again... I APPOLOGIZE.

I would rather remove it... but in the mean time, I am sure I did some damage - the topic did not fit here and never belonged here.

:(

[CM]

aawww don't worry about it TGN...

that's why i jumped in so quick

and i knew you weren't on some march against anyone

we're big people here :)

love always

:) :) :)

Edited September 25, 2005 by CM

[CM]

i suppose we all still need a little duck tape and wd40 sometimes

something so make it stick

and something to get it unstuck

:)

which reminds me of somethin' i been meaning to do...

[CM]

so is God an object?

is Love an object?

is Light an odject?

wind...

fire...

[sirguessalot]

is that a Will Bullas, tgn?

...what a name for an artist, btw

sspecially from all the bull ive seen in the art world

:P

and i like how you kinda brought us back, CM

in such a flash...

B)

as simple as lighting a candle

click, blink...a presence

when its on its on

when its off its off

and sometimes its even on when its off

ok, i'll try to stop saying "its" so much

made y'all look though, i bet

(made who look? look at what?)

lol

ok, permit an attempt at some jazzy riff...

it seems there are many layers to all our subject-object relations

but rather than merely climbing some linear ladder or flat list to some static point or place

we are each a manifold and evolving system of lines and pages and bindings

we inwardly lengthen and unfold along many stems, clusters, and roots

we hold multi-layered structures of our clarity of perception alone

simply being a variety of lines of kinds of knowing

and being as exotic in lines of feeling

archetypical neutral generic

vast chambers

mansions

evolving

complex

but

do keep in mind

i am also only speaking of a single inward bush

with this bare mention of the currents and flows that ascends and descends the tree

in an exotic world of burning bushes

most often hiding in plain sight

and then...

to bring our eye another radical step outward

where we get to the physical world

outside of our body

add all that up, and considering that perhaps the actual magnitude of a subjective space is relative to the complexity of the object, the "truth" of "it" all becomes quite the fractal

stepping back again, and "it" becomes another vast world of worlds

filled with all the previously mentioned worlds full of worlds

i thank god for a simple place to sit and simply view it

cuz that mystery is never going to end anyway

unless i simply learn to sit down and enjoy the view

and swap stories

because the temple complex has already been built

and is right here and now and is already full of candles

each of us like both a menorah and one to witness it

and this is our most natural state, it seems...growing templates of manifold clarity

and then embodiment of all that we simply already have and are

like we need source codes that allow us to unwrap and unpack the seed

that help carry us through our own living mythology

i mean, what is it to repent?

but to turn, or otherwise change what you are aiming at?

sometimes we can stop trying to get out of seed

and simply "turn around" and try to open it instead

Edited September 26, 2005 by sirguessalot

[Too Gray Now]

Sirguess...

Yup. You put the "Kojak" on me!! :o

The duck is by Will Bullas. His stuff reminds me a little of the Gary Larson - Far Side stuff. :D

Will try and chime in on your riff, later. ;)

That duck cracked me up.

ps. ... using a voice like Gomer Pyle... "Golll-allll-lly - I sure am havin' a fun time with all these smiley faces! too!" "Why I'll bet a feller could just up an' laugh his-self inta one of those wheezie-fits - you kno... where your face starts turnin' purple, an ya' can't get your breath to start again. It's when laughin' becomes cryin' and then cryin' becomes dyin'" "Then everyone else gets serious again."

Edited September 27, 2005 by Too Gray Now

[CM]

i don't know about serious TGN...

but even the serious is kind of funny

sirg-on and off...

yeah...if i knew, really knew what i was doing

i'd probably be scared to death :P

but i do see your point

and try not to....so hard

looking back...

that's how we got started huh..

Edited September 28, 2005 by CM

[Too Gray Now]

Sirg...

After reading your post, I wanted to say… yeah. I know what-cha’ mean. Because I do.

Now, I can’t explain your words, but I can understand your meaning…

Words are clumsy anyway. The idea is that we want to share understandings.

To share an understanding

is like… holding the hand of an infant…

as the baby grips your finger and smiles.

… is like a passing glance at a complete “stranger”

which turns into a look…

and morphs into a warm and lingering smile.

What is shared is real.

But what is shared is not an object.

The objects are conduits for transference of that which is real.

Like words. Should be looked at as conduits - pipe. Something to position a flow.

[Too Gray Now]

Now to put a cap on this series of thoughts in the prior post...

We gain understanding and we can share it.

We push our pleasure or pressure out of us - like a garlic press.

If we do something intentionally, then we are organizing for a purpose.

Having intention - is not the sole domain of God.

Intentions expressed, actually create.

Turning love into matter (or objects). Check out this little link.

Experimental Proof of Prayer

This stuff is more than 30 years old. People can do their own experiments. My bet is, most people won't.

But what if.... what would happen if people started to intentionally share love? Kinda makes ya wonder just how many good objects would get created, doesn't it.

[CM]

it's like trying to hold a greased ballon

nailing God down to an objest

how can love joy faith peace be an object

what we use to learn about these things are objects

learning from scriptures, people

but it boils down to the invisible God

to see the unseen

to know what is passed knowledge

i think that's basically the same as what you said TGN

just in different words...

Edited October 1, 2005 by CM

[CM]

another song

which replaces the previous one

http://home.cinci.rr.com/mannix/images/Los...is%20Heaven.mp3

a little bit to lighten up this little thread