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pffft goey knows the all truth or how to get to it...yeah right... with methodology and "wisdom" of this world alan trys to stick it up my butt every chance he gets sorry allan i ain't dropping my pants for you and btw, when your dog rides up front on your bike i hope for the dog's sake your fly is up ------------------ sirg, i'll never forget trying to turn it, and i will breathing and letting but not here-1500 cm's-done

sirguessalot, i apologize for possibly ruining this thread as we know everyone would be able to speak but not me on this one if it ever happens i won't be there, i'm too po'ed at the non enforcement of the harrassment rules at this place love, your friend

hi goey, well....let me put it this way whether anyone believes it or not they should be allowed to speak and not have to prove every phrase and nuance to what they say and be challenged at every turn instead of people shutting up and listening nor does anyone else have to believe it and noone is required to believe anyone that's about it, those links help if you have ever experienced this it is quite enlightening that's all i got to say about it, whether anyone asks me again or not at this point and today i don't believe in the shift key....lol....lol peace

To all interested, maybe these would help. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...rfaith+Dialogue http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls...log&btnG=Search

Hi Goey, I mean to take what someone says, and the sole purpose of what someone else says is to discredit what the first person says. Rather then presenting what you believe that would be different then the other. Allowing a person the room to present their beliefs and pov's without a specific attack against it. See the difference that I'm trying to convey? Both ways would accomplish what you want though the first would be stifling another. Not sure if that says it well and I'm not upset or anything. Just to be able to voice our beliefs without fear ya know. In the spirit of peace rather then a battle of ideas against ideas, we could look to see what is common more then what is different. And even the different could bring deeper understanding to all involved. Peace

this is what we would try to be avoided jj there is no believe or else anything....... religions teach this-we have had it with that, don't'cha think????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXq3Hox1MNs...d%20you%20leann

JJ care to clarify????? Care to clarify that also??????

Good article Goey. There would have to be no attempts to discredit what someone else says in any way. Or even for another to take what someone says and key off of it to oppose rather then agree. It takes a degree of determination to see what we agree on. And to perhaps extend our minds into the unknown. Meaning not to be too quick to decide what was said is valid. It may have to be done outside of greasespot. Unfortunately. There are many here that would be interested i think. But do not want to be attacked as we have seen.

http://forums.crosswalk.com/m_1052702/mpage_1/tm.htm http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navc...Return%3A+Dogma lol...as if..... .................................... what if Acts 2 really happened?

sheesh tired of that same thread up there you have a great heart Roy

Didn't mean to stop your conversation Todd and Sunesis..... Please carry on. Don't mind me I just blew off some steam, and was encouraged to stay here with this from more then 1 person.

That would put me back in....but should some want something else there is plenty of room for more threads. And I find it interesting that Bullinger actual had some clear thinking although influenced by the Church of England. Clear verses are not what the subject of this thread is dealing with. I listed many verses about this subject from the start. Everyone of them have contexts to them as well and more to understand. Some verses seem clear to some more then others. And is there any limit to what we can gain from learning more about them? They are not set as to have one interpretation only but for the individual who seeks God as Sunesis put it so well. I also find that Wierwille strayed far away from Bullinger as he writes on how we are to deal with scriptures that we do not understand. Mainly listening to other believers. If the question is who is a believer then one should also listen still. And not jump the gun, so to speak. And we are to wait for more light on the matter, as is being done. I will always try harder to handle those who only want to contradict and not let a person's thoughts be considered. Timothy is quite clear. As well as Thessolonians. 2 Thessalonians 3:6 6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 1 Timothy 6 3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. And if you think these are not wholesome words then you perhaps should listen a bit more. Before you act. Nothing is gained by out wording another, what is happening is many words are being used to convey ideas not to out do another person. And to claim to be some sort of winner. And if anyone wants to argue with me, about something besides the subject of this thread, you can take it outside of this forum as the rules state. I'm not hard to find. And I also reserve the right to put anyone on ignore as you have that same right.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ remember, just pick the fruit!! don't get lost! "The true value of a human being can be found in the degree to which he has attained liberation from the self." ~ Albert Einstein

http://www.thelostbooks.com/ http://www.bibleufo.com/anomlostbooks.htm

Revelation 21 1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Note - John saw this..................................................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpaT5qSxMoU...wn%20%20hawkins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOTpHpbu7NY...0always%20twain

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Hi Bliss, True it doesn't mean we can talk to the dead. Somewhere it says this place will be forgotten I think. I'd have to look it up, but I'm at work right now. What she saw was what was shown her. Not according to actually what the parents would have been doing which is waiting and praying in a hospital. So perhaps for her comfort. Don't know. And being in heaven having to watch us!!?? Yeah I wouldn't want that either...lol. But remember, she was told she would be back. And there would even be more for her. And that her parents needed her. And sad happens, shoot I'll be glad when I'm done here. Sadness and Joy happens to believers. Think of the Joy she has also, as well as her parents. Some have gone as far as to take their own lives in order to see heaven. DON"T DO THAT!!!!! Please. Some have been tempted also. I thought I'd better say that because when things are happening and coming quickly a person can get confused. Tears, feelings, emotions are spiritual I believe.

hahaha...good one Raf....I'll take that one!

Just to not leave me out of the slamming business. Here's one for whoever wants it! Carry on....lol....

lol...good points Oaks...

How a person gets slammed for actually believing God here at this site. Yes I know it's not a religious site. I've learned a lot from atheist websites. Seen more then any commentary could provide. Actually believe and see then say something about it. That's funny. The reason for toungues I suppose. I'd probably be in prison or killed if I lived in the first Century. Here's a little thing I picked up recently that will be a blessing to some.

How's that? 15 friggin pages to make the point. How's that for friggin Flawless? and all anyone else will get from me on this thread is this song that i'll post again, then i'm done with it!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzlspzYfN3s...elmo%27s%20fire