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Goey, i accept your beliefs as your beliefs never haven't and what you call a phase is not what is happening to me you presume also.... human nature possibly...

Bull, you just want it your way and not explore anything. You have one purpose and that it seems is to discredit and put down what you think the bible says. Yes ditch what you have been taught and start over with a fresh clean look at some things.

If you would take the time to read the responses from more then just me you would see some things. But it seems you can't, so instead of keeping my mouth shut I'll open it to someone else. And I did post my thoughts.

What is that?

pfft hardly anyone wants to hear questions and answers that lead to more questions and answers that lead to more questions and answers Pick the right questions for God's sake! Or pitch the darn thing and leave it alone. If God is Love? Who needs Jesus? That's a start. What answers and questions are you wanting.

Who are the the husbandman?

Adam and the last Adam I am answering your question.

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth

7Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. 9Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door. 10Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience. 11Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

And don't forget about the Cherubims

Who has the courage to go for that Flaming Sword?It's STILL HERE! Who is willing to take on the Flames?

1 brethren 2 them which are asleep 3 others which have no hope 4 them also which sleep in Jesus 5 we which are alive and remain 6 them which are asleep 7 the dead in Christ shall rise first 8 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together This is the list of people in the order of the kjv. How many are the same? How many are different? 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep 2 and the dead in Christ shall rise first 3 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds Where are the dead in Christ rising from? What does these phrases really mean? shall not prevent them which are asleep For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air so shall we ever be with the Lord. And this is what the fruit of this information is supposed to bring. Wherefore comfort one another with these words

sprawled out, Do you think Adam and Eve were better off eating of the tree or not eating of the tree? And then as a whole everyone after them, every person. And would you consider that free will is not exactly what was in play in the garden? I mean who put the tree there anyway? And didn't it bring life through death? I think it's worded fine and is waiting to be unlocked like a door to greater understanding.

alan, if one is weak and sickly, then asleep to the spirit is normal cuz it is powerful and takes some health to handle dead in Christ is not the same as asleep could very well mean something else entirely

here it is Abi- quote: Originally posted by Abigail: There is a theory within Judaism, I will explain it as best I can, but please bear with me. You have to start with the idea that the first few chapters of Genesis are figurative, not literal. There was no literal "tree of life" or "tree of good and evil". When God told Adam not to eat of the tree of good and evil, it was not so much a command as a "warning", or perhaps better yet an "explanation". Eating of the "tree" had to do with a choice regarding an action. If you eat of the tree, these things are going to occur. . a) you will have a higher level of knowledge/thinking b) you will eventually die, or perhaps simply have an awareness of the fact that eventually you will die. It was sort of an evolutionary step forward which made humans able to think on levels far above what your typical animal can do (beyond basic instinct, etc.) But man had to make the free will choice to take this step forward with full understanding of the benefits and consequences. In this way, we all now have the ability to think, we all have a greater sense of self awareness, and we all have free will choice as opposed to basic instincts. Many Jews do not believe in the concept of original sin and almost none believe we are all born sinners. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...76entry158876 is that it?

See Goey, This is why I solicited help from others here that I know know more then me about it. I see it and know it about Thessolonians and if you would consider it you might see it as well. For some have spoken up that haven't seen it and they seem to grasp the idea. Like you I believed what you do, I know what it is to believe that way. It don't work and it don't flow with the rest of the scriptures I know of. Which I will be posting on hopefully, and perhaps can put it better and more receivable for those who have been taught to think differently for so long. Peace

So, religions are here. What about you? Can you stop them? What can you do for you to see WHY? Why not consider a non-religous approach to Truth? You don't have to pick one, I haven't.

Tell me Sudo, just how many religions to you really know besides your own. And I mean since the first one too.

There’s only one answer: PFAL! There’s only one answer: PFAL! there always more then one answer

I think free will is exactly what God was counting on Belle.

Goey and Belle, but mostly Goey. Have you all even read those verses and considered them in a figurative inward reality happening in the mind, heart an soul? I've said this before. Why is a spiritual event thought of as happening in the physical natural elements. And why do so many assume that it will happen all at the same time to everyone at once. I have looked at it as happening to everyone all at once occuring in the physical natural world that we can see with our natural physical eyes. It does not make sense that way and untill I rejected the whole idea and started from scratch was when I began learning what Jesus was saying and what the others, especially John was talking about. Everyone will experience the coming of the Lord and there will be wars and rumors of wars and earthquakes and the sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood. This all happens within the mind and heart and soul of a man or woman with the Lord surrounding and in you. I have experienced this to some degree and will not expound much further because what He has started He is not done with me yet. Nor will it be believed by those who don't have the slightest idea or handle on the metaphorical. allegorical and figurative usages of theevents that occur during and within the changes that will come. We shall all be changed does not say that it will happen all at the same time to everyone at once. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye we shall be changed. But does it stop there? Or is there more changes in the future? The scriptures say there are changes to come even after the initial changes that occur. Else why would there be so much written about them? --- And Thessolonians is obviously talking about sleep as being asleep to that which is to come. If it is talking of physical death then it does not make sense and it would show a God that has respect of persons. Wether it's twi or any other religion that teaches some sort of big "rapture" then it is a god that leaves others behind. That is NOT the God I love. And it is not his ways. All will have the life that Jesus bought for us. Wether it's before physical death or after it's ours and given to us as a gift. And I must refer to Todd's expounding of those scriptures in Thessolonians because he says it much better then i could. Although I see it and can't quite put it into the words that will communicate to someone who is believing that it is talking about physical death. If you will consider those scriptures in light of asleep to the spirit you will see some things. And it's not that a person is totally dead asleep to the spirit, because it does surface at times but not recognized. I have considered for 20 years that it meant dead. I had to undo what men had taught me and go by what the Spirit was ready to teach me. And I had to stay open minded and still have to stay open minded to grow and learn more of the limitless God that has made his home within me and within every person on the planet. So I listen for those spiritual words coming from the living people today and the scriptures continue to open up even more. --- The only rock solid doctrine there is is Love and I will stay with that and not be moved. --- And I'm sorry if this does not answer anyones questions but the answers are within you if you will quit trying to pry then out of the scriptures with definitions and think of just what is being communicated by them. It is not as it appears although that is where to start for some.

Actually Sudo, I think the Muslems have some pretty good .... and even sell it on Sundays! :)

yeah-compare what the scripture says with what hell is or what your friend says you just want it all in black and white-it ain't goin to happen friend

You are the one that said- so don't put that on my head -you brought it up let me clue you in-everyone will see hell