Too Gray Now

Good comments. Forgive me for butting in, I have not been by here for quite some time. I have had my own math to solve. :) The fact I am alive and doing great is whole 'nuther story! I have spent much of my time the last few years researching alternative treatments and approaches for cancer. Certainly the topic of belief (mine) and its impact upon my longevity has come to my mind MANY times over the years. So I am not writing this without a lot of introspection. Anyway, Broken Arrow, on this topic of believing and living which you brought up I would like to add that we were taught that the ONLY thing preventing us from being healed was our believing. Do you remember that? And that there was no condemnation if we went to Third Aid. It may turn out that this Wierwille teaching is true... only NOT true in the way we were told it was true. It may be that belief in "faith healing" actually gets in the way of certain healing techinques. Yes. Its ok. I will pause until everyone reads that line again. I am not offering this info to start a thread-war about the virtue (or not) of believing - - and the role it plays in a person's life - - or not - - It turns out, there is some very good research being done in this area of healing of cancer by William Bengston. His work is a game-changer IMO. He has gone about his work in a very professional way and his results are pushing hard against conventional wisdom in both science and circles of faith. For example, he has noted that in using his healing technique that if the people 'believe" that God will heal the person, or that they will perform the healing... then the healing results are lessened. This is certainly opposite of everything we learned in our days in the Way... or nearly any church for that matter. His results are clinically confirmed. Bengston video intro I will butt out now. Thanks for considering this remarkable piece of information. Many people may be dying to know it. And the topic seemed an appropriate segue for me to introduce it. This is an excellent thread and deserves to carry on. If this was a de-reail... forgive me, please.

TommyZ, Thanks for offering prayer. Of course I will receive it with open arms! Regarding your situation, I do wish you the very best outcome possible. Facing all the things we need to in order to get through these situations without relying upon denial is a powerful lesson in self honesty. Anyway, there are MANY great lessons I could ramble on about. Best to you...

I am happy to hear that she is getting along well. And that is good advice. Look to the future. Indeed. It is wonderful, if you can see it with your own eyes. Going through it again. Yes. The recurrence. I can certainly identify with the rush of those feelings. I told my wife "I don't want to get in that saddle, again, honey. I thought those days were behind me." But, honestly, (and to borrow a phrase from Sara Palin: I am not putting lipstick on a pig, here) I am really feeling great now on my de-tox program. REALLY! Truly. For me this situation could be said to be an even bigger blessing than the first time. I know that may sound like propaganda, but it is not. On this past Thanksgiving I gathered everybody around and talked about their fears... their fears for me and what it might mean if things don't work out. I told them that everybody can ask me ANYTHING. Anything about my cancer. Not to worry about my state of mind. "Believe me", I said, "I have already thought of all the worst." It turned out to be a wonderful, most wonderful Thanksgiving. Listening to doctors and specialists and people with lots of training and experience, it is easy to feel overwhelmed. Very easy. But, they can not do my living or dying for me. That is up to me. And I choose - LIFE. I know I could still loose this deal, see. I am not a fool. But, I am not going sit in despair. I have felt the despair. I did not run from it. I felt this thing tackle me from behind. I felt myself loosing the struggle to live. It would sneak up on me several times a day. It was horrible. I know what it feels like to be ignorant of what choice will or might help me. I also know what it feels like to have the constancy and life of Christ well up - and stand for me, in me. To calm me. To save me from the dread and cold-stalking dis-ease. I am not special in this regard. Countless people have experienced what I am going through now. They were beacons for me. May we pass on whatever light we actually find in this life. After all, life is not about finding what I wanted to find - at least it has not been for me - but it has been about how I respond to it. In that regard, we are ALL very much alike. Best to all -

Thank you WG! Nice to post again. Been a long time. :) Nice to see you, too - I see your moniker says "Go Bucks". So I am presuming that you are a Milwaukee Bucks fan - I lived in Milwaukee and the area for a good many years. Lots of great memories. Best to you!

Tommy, I have been on a wild ride with my own cancer experiences. The medical take on cancer, and often our own first hand experiences with it are the reason it scares many of us. It should. It is very often deadly. I am 55 (well 54, actually). Let me sum up in the event that my experiences can be of any help to you. Who knows:) 1. My Dad died from mat. prostate cancer when he was 59. He was the same age as I was when I was diagnosed with the same thing. Mine, like his, was also very aggressive. His death was a horrible downhill experience. The biggest issue for me was thinking that my end would be just like his. And why not? Right? See, I had to fix that. I got it resolved with EFT. (Google it if you want to know more.). 2. Prior to choosing what I would do, my Dr. (who is a DO) told me to get a book called: "Outsmart Your Cancer" by Tanya Pierce. Very well researched. Has many non-toxic alternative treatments that work. 3. I had surgery. Prior to that, I changed my diet. Exercised a lot. Put my life on hold, more or less. Oh yes... and I had no health insurance, either. The surgery seemed to be a success. 4. Almost two years go by. I am doing "great". Lost some functionality due to the surgery, but I was grateful to be alive. Then.... .... Two weeks before Thanksgiving of 08... I get a "bad" report. The cancer is "back". Only they don't know for sure where it is. I visit 4 doctors, including the best oncologist at Emory. Everybody gives me crappy news. They will only be able to "make me more comfortable." Crap!!!! 5. So, I have re-grouped. Now, I am doing a very serious de-tox program with a Doctor in LA. Eating raw foods, juicing. This Doctor used to run a Nautropthic Cancer Clinic. I am also de-toxing my emotional states of being. It's ALL gotta GO!! :) Here is where I am at right now. I am pretty sure I will be one of those who make it. And I am not just whistling past the grave yard, if you catch my drift. Cancer has been, by far, the worst/best thing that has happened to me. It forced me to face my WHOLE life and deal with it. I am freer today than any other time in my life. Sometimes I weep for joy when I stand outside and breath in the fresh air, sunshine, and feel the breeze as it plays around my skin and hair. Life is so ALIVE!! now! The mundane has become a portal to wondrous moments. This is quite a change from my engineering type of persona I have had for many years. If I were you... and I am not - of course - I would get the book.

WW: You found this word spelled "yahlal"... I do declare! Any good Southerner knows he mispelled "y'all". Or he is dyslexic and meant to say: "All y'all". Either way, down here in the 'ole South - we know... I say, we KNOW how to spot a Dam* Yang-Key - and if they mispellt "y'all" they ain't worth payin' attention to.

Cman, Agreed. Not loosing one's youth - but having the energy of it "roll-over" and be part of the transformation to the next phase. Let me talk to myself here - not directing this towards any poster or post in particular... Just a bunch of rhetorical questions. In my metaphor of Recapitulation one could say it offers a basis for the book which started this thread: Ye Shall Be Holy. Now I have not read the book. Just pointing at the phrase - the title. How is it that we become holy? Performance? Keeping of external behavior rules? Being infused with holy spirit? New Birth? (Of course, most of us on these boards spent years with a pre-packaged answer to that question of "how" - God makes you Holy - period.). Is it not possible for one to become holy by multiple means and processes? Must there be only one answer or component in this process? A tragedy of Christianity, IMO is the notion that Jesus did it (does it) all - When it comes to dealing with the energy which is in one's own heart - we have a very significant role to play. And the energy which is in us has a huge bearing upon our performance and our becoming. Can one become or Shall Be Holy by some means which includes paying no attention to transforming what is within? As SG said, a moment to light all the candles and a lifetime to open all the seals. Certainly, transforming what is within us is one of those life-time type of events... which can and does from time to time, happen in a moment.

This sub-topic discussion of teenage "old people" is right on, in my opinion. Energetically speaking we need to be resolving energetic issues - energetically. But most people do not know how to do such in their lives. Therefore, most people do no such thing; generally people blame others for what moves in their OWN hearts. This is vey immature and irresponsible. Yet, we see it all around us. Road rage. Politics. Even people who stay ....ed a life time because of some offense (which is living in them). Without the guidance of the mature people in our lives, we simply ride the not-so-merry-go-round again and again. The energy which pumps through one's body when we are teenagers is not to be enshrined. It was to be resolved - transformed if you prefer - - when and if we resolve it - it will not be abandoned. But it will morph into the next phase of development. The energy of a teen, properly matured and transformed – will blossom into the next phase and so on. But it is in the aspect of the transformation phase where people seem to get lost... we wait for others to transform us because we do not know how to do it. We find others who want our energy – but can not help us. Still we recapitulate or re-visit those energies again and again. But when we do, we only find we are gaining more and more neurosis through this process and are resolving little or nothing. Recapitulation is something we see in the development of stages of the embryo and has good scientific footing. It means: The principle that living organisms develop only from other living organisms and not from nonliving matter. I bring it up as a metaphor. We develop our next phase of energetic living from these living energies in us, now. We (Western Man) may appear to be "stuck" in perpetual puberty thinking and feeling... but maybe we are merely recapitulating. :) If we would resolve instead of try and re-capture the youthful feelings we would no longer need to recapitulate that feeling state. We could move on.

Thanks to one and all.... really. I continue to be grateful and somewhat stunned. On a different note, I know that some of you have gone to J R. new Way Corps site. It is cool to see all the faces, kids, etc. Almost like a virtual Corps Week without the teachings. Of course with no fake avatars and names to cover for us, it seems as though most people are genuinely glad to see ya. So, I joined the 11th. And a couple of others from here have done so.... (we know who we are)... but, I mean come on... Polar Bear, Dot Matrix, Tonto, Vickles, and heaven knows who else... give it a go. :)

Belle & Bramble; I am carrying no water for XYZ, here - meaning I am not a therapist or rep... - but I have found EFT to be a very remarkable tool. I use the various techniques regularly and I have noticed everything from nothing to astounding results in my life and in the lives of others. I have done it myself - meaning I have never been to see an EFT therapist. I ordered the DVDs and read and just started using it. This speaks to me about the user-friendly nature of the tool. I tell others "Look, just start using it. Your belief is not necessary to make it (EFT protocol) work... so don't spend a lot of time trying to get your logic to buy into it or explain it all before you decide to use it." Yeah, we should probably take this part of the discussion off line - PM - or email - or phone... I will PM you guys. CMAN - I like that about smashing your faith. Heck, learnng to enguage with life (without the felt need to first dress up all of one's daily events in tired, old, hand-me-down straight-jackets of doctrinal explanation) sure is a lot more real. I find I need very few beliefs in order to function these days. I just don't need them for this part of my journey. So, I dumped 'em and said Goodbye.

Belle, Thanks. In your quote, at the bottom: "Your ability to influence people may grow more sophisticated because others sense that you respect their right to be themselves, but you will likely spend more time gazing inward, into the one person you can change: yourself." Ok. NOW I am gonna de-rail this puppy! :) I used to travel a lot - much less now. But I still like to enguage people at the airport, on the train, etc. right in the eyes - pure strangers to me. When I do, I practice different active thoughts - my intentions towards them - I intend to accept them. Just to see what happens. Sure as can be - if I am intending acceptance... and let my face muscles do the natural things that those intentions tug upon - people do respond. Often, with a perceptive softening in their face - or in some cases, a very broad smile. Or they may say, "Do I KNOW you??" It is fascinating to watch. But, if I just sort of keep to myself and use the "Urban Glazed - I-don't-give-a-shi*" expression which is so common... Nothing happens. But, I have had to do a lot of inner work to get a place where I could broadcast a coherent message. If change on the other person's part is not required for acceptance... that gets communicated. If something in me is offended by "them" - it is literally something in me. It is not them. It is my problem. Not their problem at all. Then I use EFT or some other mechanism to deal with it and clear it. We are marvelous creatures - complex - sensitive... People have the circuitry to get all of this info - so why not broadcast it? But, our "communication" gets full of static when we have not done the work to reconcile our own offenses. What I am saying here is not some new thing - it has been around for ages. Thanks, Bell.

Sorry for the derail. I did not mean to turn this into a different discussion. Loosening one's grip on a world view - is a process, indeed. It can sneak up on ya, if you fiddle around with the fundamentals.

Bell, Yes. Yes. Yes! (I like saying that word ) These days I tend to "feel" what surfaces inside of me when I read a thing and comment on that basis. What surfaces is not often what the other person intended - and I do not mean my comments to be a re-statement of nor an expounding upon what the other person meant at the logic level. But, often what surfaces is not wholly disconnected from their meaning, either. Certainly, your comments had me nodding in the affirmative direction. :) Affirming a thing with our insides - our very lives, if you will - is as close to a full agreement as I can honestly produce. Cman, I hear ya - I am with ya - nothing unclean of itself. It is for that very reason that I "attached" the notion of death to isness and notion of "life" to becoming. Only scaffolding, my friend, only scaffolding to try and describe a "felt" reality. A meeting of the minds upon specific meaning does not dictate inner affirmation. I have found that I can agree in mind, but my mind can be way out of phase with what is inside of me. Sirguess has a way of using scaffolding - maps - structure... etc. to try and excavate and solicit comments. It is one of his trademarks that I have enjoyed for years - Once one stands upon the scaffolding, I guess one could comment upon thejourney... the width of the plank upon which one stands... there are many ways to respond. Recently, I have chosen to simply report what I "see" after crawling up the scaffolding. That is the thing about Sirguess - you can see a LOT of different things if you take his invite to "Come on UP - and Look around!" Heck, I just looked in one direction and ran smack, dab into something else I have been wrestling with, over the last year. Actualy, I must admit to putting my mind through the equivelent of a game of TWISTER when I considered, deeply, the implications of the Hebrew language not having a verb "to be". For a dyed-in-the-wool techie, like me, that rocks the whole boat. Enough from me -

Hey +odd - Been a while, my good friend since I have popped in - I must say - I would like to twist your first post - just a bit - to see if it jars any fingers loose and weakens the death grip you mention. Let me fiddle with the verb "is" and all the forms of it in your post – One can replace it with the appropriate form of the verb "to become". If we do, the altered meaning points to a way out of our dilemma of feeling that we have encountered THE “correct” world view. Our very use of language unveils the unnoticed bias… we say “My view of such-and-such IS…..” when we could admit to our progressive realization and say “My view right now is BECOMING…” Our notion of "is-ness" is very Greek or Western. One has to push the button and create a stop-scene moment in order to say “is” with any degree of authority. But life does not stop; for if it does stop, it ceases to be life. For me, “become” is more descriptive of what I live – I can not look in the mirror and forget the continuum I see and feel in my own life or the opinions that are becoming or ever-forming within me. Who here can only see themselves as others say they perceive them “to be”? Who here would not trifle with anyone’s 3rd party assessment of them? Who here does not bristle any longer when their spouse says “You ALWAYS are ________ !”. We all know we change. We all know we can not be “consistent”. We are not an instance of “is”. Think of a pretty flower - that turns into a seed - that falls - that gets in the soil - that sprouts - that .... That flower is an instance of a becoming-seed. It becomes. It never only is JUST a flower – except to the 3rd. party observer – who doesn’t really know what they are gazing upon. Certainly, if the flower dies - it may become an "is" with brown pedals that never matures to a seed body - but if its progress remains alive – then it becomes. Anything alive... becomes. Anything dead… is. We all live in a picture world. We take photos. We put “subjects” into the “frame” and then we wait for “perfect light”. We gather grandma, grandpa, the kids, and all for a Holiday picture and take 5 shots until we get one where EVERYBODY is smiling. Why? Because we like to remember things "as they were" at least so we say. Bull-butter. We most certainly do NOT WANT to remember kids crying, grandpa drinking and cussing out grandma one more time, etc. We want only happy memories. We do not want ALL of the memories. We like to remember things the way we want to think they are – or the way we would like them “to be”, Since most people feel powerless to interact in the process of everything they are becoming and can not seem to bend their total existence to their own will, they gladly settle for a fake picture. They hold onto these pictures for years. They frame them. Hang them on their walls. They pass them down the family line. These are the images they savor. They prefer to pretend their lives to be full of moments just like the picture. But is this picture a slice of their collective becoming? Can they truthfully say “Here we all ARE on Christmas day!!” ? I think not. We do the same sort of thing when we hold onto our world view with a death grip. It is our picture of the world. Our view is filled with isness, it is filled with fiction. These days, it is not fashionable to have a world view that has any sort of hope in it – better to have a picture of everyone perishing. At least so it seems. Is this worldview what we all are to become? In part, our fascination with “isness” is a pre-occupation with death – or at least – a not-so-true picture of life. Is it any wonder we have despair by the bucket loads? Possibly we could get over our death grip as you say (good choice of words, in my opinion) of our world points of view one step at time - if we got rid of the photo mentality - and rid ourselves of the "isness" that causes us to assume that we have discovered the very nature of a thing (or someone) - by seeing it in just one of its many, many, many phases.

Hey there you guys - - - I know that some of you have been praying for my Cancer situation - and I just got my latest results back last week - (just in time for my 30 anniversary with Mrs. Too Gray... :) ) and I am Cancer free!! for 9 months Now!! I am headed forward for sure !! - Thanks to all. This has been the MOST remarkable part of my journey in life so far... really. It has been the best thing that has happened to me. My life has turned over - - - and inside out - - and I get to have the rest of my future - see - and I so much want to live it!! Live it like I have been born again, again. I am not waiting for Christ to return - for me, you see, in a way, it has already happened! Thanks. Really.

Ex, Thanks for saying it was good to see me... believe me when I say, it is GOOD to be seen!! I am sorry to hear that LG passed on. I offered to talk with him, but - I can certainly understand his frame of mind. By the time he posted his last thread, he sounded as if he had himself prepared to die. It does take preparation. I have recently lost 3 people who were fighting cancer - you get familiar with how people talk when they know they are being stalked by this robber of life... For me, I can say, today... this may very well have been the best thing that I ever went through. It has changed me. Deeply. For the better, I should add. Not only do I feel 10 years younger, etc. but I have a whole different view of everything. I don't think I am any more special or "blessed" than anyone else - so it is difficult for me to see so many people have a crappy outcome... Seriously, when it all started to unwind a year ago, I figured I would be dead and they would all outlive me. But that is not what happened. I don't think it is a just a roll of the dice, either. I am not that fatalistic or that much of a determinist. There is some slop in the deterministic mechanisms that are blamed for starting cancer: (diet, DNA, stress levels, toxins which we have been subjected to over the years... etc.). This is why one person can smoke and eat like crap, no problem... and some other poor soul can not get away with squat - some cancer victims are nice people, yet some of the survivors are jerks - Ever noticed that cancer doesn't seem to care about all these risk factors in the same way we do? Some might say say that cancer is being arbitrary. I mean if it can have the right to be arbitrary - then so should I - to some degree. At least I ought to be as free a life form as cancer is. If cancer has the freedom to say, "GOTCHA, TOO GRAY!!" Then I ought to be able to say, "No you DON'T!!" Saying it is easy. Feeling it, is another matter. I had doubt in my heart. And no scripture could evict it. My doubt was not intellectual. It was energetic or emotional in origin. Giving myself pep talks was a waste of time. Sorry for rambling on... I know that many people face this beast and loose. I may still loose to cancer. But... Not today. Roy, glad to hear that you know about EFT. For anyone who wants to see about a 5 min. video... http://www.emofree.com/splash/video_popup.asp

Hi. I have been dealing with a diagnosis of cancer for about a year now. Treatments, surgery, etc. But the hardest thing for me was the fear that this was the thing that would do me in. It was not the prospect of the event of dying that creeped me out - it was the process that I could see in which I was likely to be involved. I didn't want that. At all. I had to find a way to face it before I could beat it. I have. It is called EFT. Emotional Freedom Techniques. Just Goolgle it if you want to find out about it and watch the video in the upper right hand corner of their home page. Cancer turns you into a walking pragmatist. EFT worked for me. Getting my emotional life in sync with the rest of what I needed was a huge advantage, in my situation. So - in answer to the topic's question, Roy - I would rephrase it and say it this way; I am now ready for my future. All of it!! :)

Out There, WOW! What a great idea... the web site that promises no waiting for... whatever.... Fantasic. Really. If you don't use it I will!!!

Thanks, Dooj and Out There. I appreciate it. On a completly different note: I was looking at the member number on the profiles. Out There - you joined this fine forum after I did - yet your number is lower than mine. Hmmmmmmm. How did you get in front of me when you showed up, later?? Do you remember Fran_ He_ _ n (9th Corps, I think) and how he used to get up at lunch and give the news for the week in review? Very funny guy. Had a wit like Dave Berry... if you ever followed his stuff. Anyway, there was this one bit he did on 'nextness' and how the social pecking order works. Say a person wants to cut in line and you are waiting to but tickets and this person says to you: "Pardon me, but do you mind if I cut in line here because... blah blah blah blah..." As long as they get BEHIND you - you have no problem with it whatsoever. This is phenomena known as "Nextness". None of us really care at all about someone cutting in - as long as it doesn't change your OWN nextness. Wonder where Fran_ H. ended up? Probably writing humor for some sitcom. I think he might have been a Cornell graduate. I don't really remember, though.

Dooj, Thanks for posting the link to the pic. I had lost ours - many years ago. I must admit. That when I think of people in the Snake Eye Corps, these are the faces that come to mind. If I ran into most people today, with all those years gone by - I would most likey walk by everyone because they did not look like the memory in my head (not that I have not aged, HA !) - Incidents... so many came to mind as I looked at those faces. What a trip down memory lane! Thanks so much. As a general comment: sorry I do not post much, now. After being diagnosed with Cancer back some months ago... I have been very focused on living. My daily regimine changed. Had to give up some things in order to make time for things that I settled on doing in order to get well. So far - things are going great! Really. Best to everyone!!! :)

SirGuess said: i recall how in PFAL, we were all groomed to respond to inquiry and skepticism as a trick and trap to be avoided which then seems to support an unwillingness to shine light into our own ignorances let alone find value in discovering what it is we specifically avoid looking at (i.e. taboos) and why it might be No doubt. In our Way Days, PFAL defined the playing field. We were 'out of bounds' if we dared to stray outside of those definitions. Now, the basis for this 'fear' had a couple of legs, IMO. One was the teaching of the Eve account in Gen. & how her downfall started with the considering of words (yes, the mere consideration) was the point where the whole thing started to unravel. Eve was deceived simply because she considered discussing something that was out of bounds as per God's command. At least this was my sense of how it was taught. This is a VERY potent admonishment to 'stay in bounds'. Now, with my own children - they did start to listen and obey when Mom or Dad said, 'Don't touch that! That is HOT!' - for the simple reason that they trusted us and we did not make a habit of lying to them. Children tend to let authority figures define the playing field for them. This habit stays with some people their whole life. Well, to me, what SirGuess is saying is that a more 'grown up' or mature approach to learning can be undertaken - once one has determined they no longer want to remain a child (with un-founded fears; un-explored 'closets' - I am referring to areas where 'we just won't go there' for whatever reason). I am trying to describe a process: that of putting away the childish tendancy to revert to ONLY classical authority figures 'outside' the person - when one is scared. This can be very powerful, indeed. I know. I was scared recently when I found out I had Cancer and went through the process of diagnosis. I put that word in bold letters becaue that is how it felt to me in the beginning. However, as a person dealing with my own Cancer, I can say that if I had relied ONLY upon 'my parents' in the situation (meaning: the authority figures - the Medical Doctors) I would be in far worse shape than I am in today. I had to face my own 'demons' and learn things for myself. Some things I considered doing to rid myself of Cancer seemed (to my engineering-type mind) to be down right silly. But - and I mean this very deeply - I THANK GOD that I was given a chance to see these things in new light... because, there is evidence that my life has been saved... ...by first venturing a look outside... ...outside the playing field ...and into my own previously forbidden zones. This thread topic is particularly near to me, if you can see what I am trying to say. Thanks for the chance to tell a bit of it. :)

Dang. I gotta get my glasses fixed! I thought you wrote that you just finished toasting your new CAR. To which I was going to reply - Hey look at these guys - they turned their car into a toaster - now there is a switch. .... but .... since I have now joined the ranks of the visual acuity challenged - maybe I should just sit down and before I hurt myself - Anyway - happy new year!

Long Gone (George) - I have a sense of the morbidity that you may be feeling. I too was diagnosed with cancer about 6 months ago. But I was quite sure for more than 1.5 years. My Dad died from cancer in his 50s (same age as me) and it was a horrible death that I saw. All of that came back to me when I finally knew for sure. It was like getting all of the wind knocked out of me. I called the family together and told them I was in trouble… because I was. Frankly, I was quite sure I was going to die just like my Dad. However, over the past 6 months, I have taken a series of steps and my outcome appears to be very, very, good… but I don’t have any smoke blowing up my skirt, either. I know that if I don’t stick to my plan, there is a high chance (about 40% most likely) the cancer will come back again. My first point is that I know there are other alternatives which your Oncologist can not legally recommend. If you are gathering all your expectations from medical people, then you are most likely being told there is nothing else THEY can do… and technically, they are telling you the truth. But, there are other things that can be done. Secondly, my doctor told me to get a book “Outsmart Your Cancer” by Tanya Pierce. I did. If you do not have it, I suggest you get it. But let me say it as straight as I can: after settling on one of the alternative treatments discussed in the book – you will find it will either work - or - it will not work for you (since nothing is 100%). In your case, you may not have time to try more than one or two separate approaches (assuming the first one fails). However, it is important that you know these alternatives are not long shots, either. Frankly, the outcomes of post-op therapies offered by traditional medicine are spelled out early in the book. They are pathetic in the vast majority of cases. All of the current non-toxic treatments discussed have a much higher rate of benefit than chemo or radiation. My last point is: although your doctors may have thrown in the towel, at least in regards to what they can do – know this - There is still time. Email me at kweeks@mindspring.com if you want to discuss any of this and I will call you as soon as I am able to do so. Warmest regards, Kris.

Just wanted to stop in and see what was going on < < < < < < < "on" > > > > > > . (That was the sound of a 7 repeater echo.) Hmmmm - kinda quiet. I have been gone a long time, but needed to do some maintenance on my avatar (they took down my favorite duct-taped duck :( Oh well. Had to choose something more sedate for this go around. By the way, OUT THERE - I (we) just finished painting the exterior of the house. I took a rope and hooked it up to belay my son over the peak - so I learned something from LEAD - .... like - when you are approaching 55, 'tis better to belay - than to belly roll off the roof! Been too busy to post, lately. That trend is likely to continue. Say hi to all the SNAKE EYE corps for me - (like DOT, Vickles (if she is ever on the boards anymore) and Dooj, and Polar, and .. ... ... and say hi to those "elder" corps... Ex, TomStrange, Tuttle -

LikeEagle... Are you OK? Maybe I am not reading between the lines of your post, well. I accept the appreciation... But if there are some deep-breaking issues that these words have stirred... – then I just did not want to cheapen your post by saying… “thanks”.