Too Gray Now

Mr. TT - I must stand up for my fellow 11 corpse brother who you called out to embarrass in front of the whole group in the Sonlite room!! People think that makes them somethin' great when they can tear down a man of gawd!! I knew a prohet from the 9th corpse - he was crookeder than a dog's hind leg!! He was supposed to curse the 11th corpse - but we bribed him and bought ourselves a blessing, instead!! You just quit yackin' about anything else... Your prophet was told to curse us because we had one guy - JUST ONE GUY - that one of your Bless Patrol caught from our corpse - caught him in the very act... spilling his seed on the ground - :o Hold it! Hold it! Wait a min.!! Back UP! Back UP! It was GRASS seed - but just because some 9th corps Bless Patrol guy ADDED his PRIVATE PARTS intrepretation to the incident - People, people, that has been the curse. Everybody guessin'. So what if your elder corpse said it -? It's STILL PRIVATE-PARTS INtrepretation! What if the Pope spoke it, Excathedra ?? What do you call it then? PRIVATE-PARTS INTREPRETATION! The 11 th corpse had a purpose of everything we spilled! where we spilled it, when we spilled it, whom we spilled it upon, and why we spilled it!! Just wanted to set that straight -

Ex, say on, say on - !! We have not even heard that there be such a thing as holy spirit. Lay hands on us that we may have this reproof ministry, too! (Just wash em first, OK :blink: ) Why? Cause I want to go on the 13th corps thread and KNOCK SOME EARBALLS together - You think we were BABES - HA!! Some of them still used their SAME voice when they brought forth a message from god or for god - their voice hadn't yet changed!!! Babes - everyone! Maybe I'll just tell them not to go to Jerusalem. That is ALWAYS good advice! Hey EX - about that green light - Here is a picture of the tree of knowledge of good and evil - depicted in TWI style -

jk boe: Hi. If VPW was everything you claim him to be - and in the proportions that you say, then you are doing a wonderful service. Although, most of what you write is not really "news" here. Maybe you need to get it off your chest - maybe some innies will leave TWI as a result of your posts.... But, please consider the following: On the other hand, if he was more like George Ar says, then VPW was only of "two-bit" caliber. And if he was actually not superb at his deceptions... then he was leaving trails.... tell-tale signs... then we are left to answer an important question; If he was a second rate stoodge, why did we "fall" for it? What was at work in us that AIDED the deception? If I accept your version, then I have little reason to reflect upon what made me susceptible. For I would conclude that he was so masterful, that I could not resist his level of skill. Regardless of HOW bad he was - there was stuff in me that made me look the other way. And THAT is something I can do something about. As a matter of fact, I believe this to be the case. I can't do diddly about VPW, now. But, if I had/have an un-resolved "blind-spot" that caused me to waste some very precious years - then I want to do SOMETHING about that.... If there is something in me that has the capacity to cause me to F_Up a good portion of my life - and it is STILL THERE - then I want to find it and deal with it. Focusing on VPW is only PART of the cure. It takes a while, but sooner or later you realize it doens't really matter at all WHAT VPW believed - Once you get over fixating on what we were taught - you naturally come to a critical question - What do YOU believe? For whatever that is - is having a dramatic affect upon your life AND you can do something about it. Peace. B)

Ya know, when we were "in" the Corps - we used to sing songs... Like... I Serve a Risen Savior Actually, I liked the singing :D Fast Forward 20+ years..... Here is a song that the 31st Coprs is singing - (Same tune as "I serve A Risen Savior") I serve a departed Savior, Not in the world, today. They tell me that he’s living, In Heaven so far away!! I see His hand of Judgment With AIDS for all the Queers, But just the time I need him, He disappears!! CHORUS: He’s There!! (*Clap* - *Clap*) Somewhere!! (*Clap* - *Clap*) Up way beyond the blue! He’s coming back So don’t smoke crack Or Hell will swallow you!! He’s There!! (*Clap* - *Clap*) Somewhere!! (*Clap* - *Clap*) Up Way… be… yond…. the blue!!! You… ask… me… how…I…know… He’s… There ??? Rosa…. lee…. Said… “It’s twoo, It's twoo, It's twoo”!!!! (...actually it was Madeline Kahn -aka - Lili Von Shtupp - who said that line in Blazing Saddles) :P

Geo: Interesting topic!!! - :D The topic question(s) are simple - but the answers to those questions - OY VEY!! So, Why Religion? It would seem that the last few thousand years, virtually all cultures of mankind have had some kind of religion. So why does it exist? - (... and it obviously does exist).... Let me take a shot Kinda like water - it exists, too. Hard to imagine life without it - ya know? Water: You can drown in it, fish in it, it has a drastic impact on our atmosphere, it comprises most of what we "are". I can't imagine "human life" without it. So, can we create this wonderful stuff called water? Sure, get some H and O - and ignite - make more! Eternity (in my analogy) is like Hydrogen. Finite life is like Oxygen. As long as humans have a sense of "eternity" - and a seperate sense of their own finite existance: they will find a way to link these two. When you ignite these with the flame of the faith of possibility - you create religion!! And then everybody gets all wet !! Actually, some will get water to quench their thirst to explain these two concepts of existance... some will use it to drown others... Leo Tolstoy wrote about this topic in considerable depth. In my new religion, I am allowed to read a lot more!! :)

Holy Boat-Rocking Links, Batman!!! Just spent an hour chasing some of what Sir G. put up. Some GREAT stuff.... For the Saved. For the converted. For the Christian. For the "Otherian". For the "Unbeliever". For the "Agnositc". For the "Nuthin' Man" - the one who does not want to grab an indetifier, and fights to peel off any label. For the "Idiot" The one who does not think - but wishes he/she could - There is some good info in those links. Thanks SirGuess.

What :o Are you serious?? Actually every veteran poster knows that an "Oldies headline" would read "I NEVER saw THAT!!" Sorry. :P OK, I will reprove myself. (Actually, all these smilies are Oldiesman bait... HHHhhheeeeeeerrrrr Oldies, Oldies, Oldies, Oldies!) And EX - - just to come back to topic, I like pitter patter. :wub: Let's us know we are still alive, and that our "Teen equipment" is still in us - somewhere #$!??

Oak - "Rarely" do I venture out of the doctrinal dungeon - and I would feel badly if you thought that what you said was egregious enough to PRY me out of the cellar... (truth be known, I like your posts and your "high road"-without-being-a-condecending-sob-snob... attitude) :blink: Sounds to me like Mrs. W. was displaying quite the "with it" corporate attitude... I think Jonny's story of the floor is a "perfect example" of quintessential BAD corporate leadership... which is probably the reason that LOY can't get a job running Fed-Ex - :D Mrs. W. established "WHO" was in control upon Entry to the room - no idle chit-chat (Rule #1 in corporate FEAR Setting Style) She established her displeasure with her "underlings" by not even asking for THEIR thoughts about the choice... (Maybe Sarah M./P. ??) (Rule #2 in coprprate FEAR Style: Dismiss any OPPORTUNITY to discuss any and all contradictory ideas) She established that there was no COST too great - or EFFORT too great - that could POSSIBLY stand against a simple spoken wish of the man or woman of God... Economy takes a back seat to any leader's whim - Way Corps work program reality - 101! (Rule #3 in Corporate FEAR setting - there is NO COST as HIGH as the leader's displeasure!!) I htink this was a suprise attack of the Way's REAL "corporate" philosophy - I say suprise because it was upon Jonny L. and Dana King (and if you ever met him... you would NOT want to disagree just based upon his stature! - believe me... the SAFEST strategy would be to ignore his presence in a room - if you could - which she did) :unsure:

Eagle, I love those quotes - kinda like pulling the lid open on a jar of Jelly Belly Beans and watching them spill all over the place... Each one is good - don't wanna waste 'em! By the way, a friend of mine is writing a book, not titled yet, but has to do with the "physics of spirit" - I've only read a poriton of the book - but the feel of it is like what you posted. Thanks!

Where does evil exist? Or whose bed are its boots under? Does it exist? ... Was your question. Not trying to be a pain in the arse, but I assume that you are asking people this question - you are not asking the essence people call "Evil" to manifest itself & start posting its own proof. :D So then... you are asking people if they perceive, personally, that evil exists - Here is the tricky part - usually when people ask if something exists - they are asking a person if it is "out there" in the outer or in the physical world. For if we perceive it to be "out there" then we can put space between it and us and flee from it. We can leave it behind us. Look at in our rear-view mirrors as we wave bye to it and watch its grimacing face - whither. But what if it is NOT always ACTUALLY "out there"? What if it's definition (and hence, it's usual place of creation) exists as an extension of a mind's perception? Then it would go with us in the car... it would be like a "bad" companion - its boots would be under our beds at night... It would be in us - a creation of our own making. At least that type - would prove to be in us - and not "out there". If this is "so" or valid for at least one person... then I would have to say - it does exist... it exists as a perception in at least one mind - regardless of any other - out-there "reality"... So, one can easily see, that it doesn't take much "quantity" for something to exist. It just takes one... one perception. And VIOLLA!! Yes it does exist. Now What? :unsure: "Evil" - (in at least the internal generation of its manifestations) might be better thought of as a descriptor of an emotion - one that a person generates and experiences right after that person has pronounced a negative judgement or assesment of something - be it either internal or external. It certainly seems to be after or "post" judgement. It does not simply rise on its own accord. Judgement needs to get it started. So in that instance, evil would be a "follower" emotion (following the judgement to condemnation).

MORON ALERT Sorry: Correction: Retraction: Dumb-foot Attack: It was Timothy Leary. Not "O'Leary" as I wrote before!! Sheeeesh. You would think that someone from the drug culture generation would get THAT guys name right. Right? But since were on the topic... LSD - Were'nt we as 11th corpspersons the FIRST corps to be given the choice of using Long Slow Distance (LSD) running as a VIABLE way to get our aerobic points?? So WE were the "LSD" Corps. That may explain a LOT OF THINGS! Why ALMOST nobody posts on our thread... no memory of ever having been there... it was just ANOTHER bad trip... ((btw, frick it. If I made a mistake in some spealling thing form now on... maybe I should NOT be able to correct it. That way people get to see just how much of an idiot I really am... wouldn't want to deceive anyone into thinking I am smarter than i am... that would be bad.)) All right OUt There - It is your turn. I am obviously just talkin' to myself, here. ("OUt" - pronounced ..."ouuuwwwt" was spelled that way on purpose for our cCanadian corps friends who - by the way, were not even suggested as a likely candidate for the 11th corps international who could most likely be a Mass Murder - prize - by the way.. anyone heard from Lon(no "g") Boner, lately?

What can get this thread hoppin'? Gee... That would be too easy. Mr. Butt... from the Emerald Isle. He kind of kept to himself, he was rather quiet, he had a built-in disguise... ready to spring out at any time... all he would have to do is shave his beard and nobody would know it was him - But you got me thinkin' :huh: In the Wizard of Oz, the Scarecrow created some action and food for Dorothy when he insulted the apple trees. Remember? So, since the 11th don't hang here - I figure we find a way to get others to pitch in... Like insult the 9th Corps. Some of them are BOUND to come over here and kick our vowels so hard, that our paragraphs and sentences will start to run-on worse than a Timothy O'Leary acid trip!! You up for it?? HEY 9th Corps!! Who of you is still NOT signin' his/her bomb threats??? Go see JAL in the Sonlight room right after supper! That should bring sumpin' from someone

Danny, When I read what you wrote, here is what I thought... Sometimes the most succient things I want to say - just sounds too cliche... Oh well. Here goes.

GT - One of the books I am reading is "Destructive Emotions" - a Scientific Dialogue with the D. Lama. In the early pages of this book, Daniel Goleman (narrator/author) describes the Dalai Lama's vision/hope to integrate – or at least – bring closer together Western science and Eastern Buddhist (Tibetan) thought. This would not result in a destruction of either science or Buddhist philosophy. Buddhism and Science both allow for change – which makes them more capable of coming together. I do not purport to be a scholar nor well read in the disciplines of Buddhism. But one thing is evident in the book I am reading - Buddhism can not simply be thought of as “a religion”. It is too encompassing. The closing comment made in the post left me miffed. Buddhists laugh when a Westerner says theirs is simply a religion. Scientists laugh when told that Buddhist thought contains different ways of understanding reality that can lead them to more discovery. Religious people often treat pure scientists as if they were Satan incarnate. And the scientists do not want their ideas "touched" by anything that is not material. Lock these two types in a room and watch the fireworks. The Dalai Lama prefers to not view these two as odd bedfellows - for in Buddhism - they are not. The author of this review, on the other hand, seems to have posted a "warning" sign. He seems to warn of Mutual Assured Destruction if one mixes Buddhism and Science. Doomsday or Unification. Kind of depends on how you look at the outcome to start with... By the way, have you ever taken two cats, held them by their tails, put them close to each other?? Yup. They fight. (As a kid on the farm, sometimes we got into mischief - when I got older, I gave up this childish practice.) Anyway, I wonder if sometimes people don't purposely hold religion and science by the tails and put them together just to start a fight. It is something that we ought to encourage people to grow up and be more responsible.

GT - Just wondered what you found to be interesting? - I can spot about 50 ideas to run around the barn with... LOL !

Jetc-Heinz I am the poster person for Middle Age CRS... (C an't R emember - damn - what is that last word????) If he had a brother in the 9th Corps, go over to their thread... and ask there. Better chance their collective brains can work their magic and ***VOILLA*** you will get an answer - like from a fortune cookie - but it will be an answer. sorry :( Of course, maybe our resident Polar Bear can chime in - Hey ED! Can you help Heinz57 with this one?? (tap*tap*tap*tap*) Ok 11th... this is OUR last chance.... to outshine the 9th... (tap*tap*tap*tap*) Take your time... (tap*tap*tap*tap*) No hurry. (tap*tap*tap*tap*) Don't rush it. (tap*tap*tap*tap*) Oh.... It's useless.... We Suc*!!! That's all there is to it!

Hey, Polar Ed! (Listen ... (sound of soft whispers here) - SHhhhhhhh.... Excathedra is a bit pushy, still.) Dam... elder corps - somethings never change - It would be great if the 9th people actually accepted us 11th as REAL -BONAFIDE corps - but, not likely. We have made such a P-poor showing on this thread - can you imagine - the LARGEST corps in the entire history of TWI - and we can't keep a thread going... pretty sad, huh? I mean, have you been over to the 9th corps thread??? These guys got it goin' on!!! Maybe Ex is right. Maybe they are superior in every way? By the way, you said... I think this was supposed to be a compliment. :blink: :blink: But I am not too sure... FYI, the def. of "earch" is hard to find. I think it is a short variant of "earache" <_< (Of course all of this is in jest. :D I like Canadians. Heck, more than half my realtives are Canadians! When "Oh, Canada" plays, I stand and sing, too! And Ex... She LOVES hockey...) Anyway, Ed - say hi to all your Canadian friends for us down here... You Canadians are the greatest earache a person could ever have!!

Hey Psalmie... How about this to Motivate People... Jello must be righteous!

Paw... and all the other Admin Helpers (Gee.. that sounded like a new spam wanna-be product name. Better than Beeny Weeny :lol: ) Anyway, I doff my hat in ya'alls direction - "Great Job"!! (And no - I am not trying to be a smart-a** duck using rare words like "doff" - it's just that I don't have many occasions when I can dig that one out and use it... for such an apprapo. use!) Thanks again... providing this service free of charge. And yes... I waited until I had 499 posts just so I could waste it sucking up to ... (Oh sorry, that was my Daffy Duck alter-ego... But hey, Like Daffy said... "It's not so much about the principle of the thing... it's about the MONEY!"

Now to put a cap on this series of thoughts in the prior post... We gain understanding and we can share it. We push our pleasure or pressure out of us - like a garlic press. If we do something intentionally, then we are organizing for a purpose. Having intention - is not the sole domain of God. Intentions expressed, actually create. Turning love into matter (or objects). Check out this little link. Experimental Proof of Prayer This stuff is more than 30 years old. People can do their own experiments. My bet is, most people won't. But what if.... what would happen if people started to intentionally share love? Kinda makes ya wonder just how many good objects would get created, doesn't it.

Sirg... After reading your post, I wanted to say… yeah. I know what-cha’ mean. Because I do. Now, I can’t explain your words, but I can understand your meaning… Words are clumsy anyway. The idea is that we want to share understandings. To share an understanding is like… holding the hand of an infant… as the baby grips your finger and smiles. … is like a passing glance at a complete “stranger” which turns into a look… and morphs into a warm and lingering smile. What is shared is real. But what is shared is not an object. The objects are conduits for transference of that which is real. Like words. Should be looked at as conduits - pipe. Something to position a flow.

Sirguess... Yup. You put the "Kojak" on me!! :o The duck is by Will Bullas. His stuff reminds me a little of the Gary Larson - Far Side stuff. :D Will try and chime in on your riff, later. ;) That duck cracked me up. ps. ... using a voice like Gomer Pyle... "Golll-allll-lly - I sure am havin' a fun time with all these smiley faces! too!" "Why I'll bet a feller could just up an' laugh his-self inta one of those wheezie-fits - you kno... where your face starts turnin' purple, an ya' can't get your breath to start again. It's when laughin' becomes cryin' and then cryin' becomes dyin'" "Then everyone else gets serious again."

CM and others... who have been reading stuff I posted.... I APPOLOGIZE!! A few posts ago, I ended up posting (by mistake) a synthesis of stuff... including Sex, Baptists, etc. That was actually part of another writing - which was for the benefit of a personal friend I went to high school with... and - it came to mind when I was asked to clarify about Causality. So I cut and pasted - and then went to work on editing... It appears that I ended up posting it before I edited it. I NEVER intended to put that sort of "personal" info onto this thread. Again... I APPOLOGIZE. I would rather remove it... but in the mean time, I am sure I did some damage - the topic did not fit here and never belonged here. :(

Now, about the duck. No... It is not the insurance duck... it is not a cousin to Daffy or Donald, either. :) It is just a no-name duck. It is a litteral picture of what many people ACTUALLY say... "I duck-taped it into place." I get huge chuckle out of it. Like when people say - "He landed on the cement floor". Cement and concrete, not the same thing... but hey... as long as you ACTUALLY know the difference... who cares. Duct Tape is for professionals and grown ups. Duck Tape is what kids start saying and have to learn. "Cement" is for the Beverly Hillbillies "pond" probably because Mr. Drysdale did not correct Granny. Did not want to offend - he had millions of reasons to let her stay mis-informed. I think religion has a lot of "cement" and "Duck Tape" still in it. Stuff we learned as kids and should have outgrown a long time ago... Someday, we will all grow up.

Ok, Causality - let me see if an illustration might be better. Most of what people identify as "causes" today are not. In medicine (Western), we do a LOT of symptom relief... and say that a certain "symptom is CAUSING me discomfort"... So in the name of being more comfortable, we medicate and treat symptoms which are "causing" discomfort. The cause of the commmon cold remains a mystery... but DANG - we sure do sell a lot of symptom relief for this ailment. Causality is a puppet master. It is the place where the sign resides... The Buck Stops Here. Humpty Dumpty is smashed. Causality? Some would say it was the fall. Others, it was the sudden stop at the bottom. Some say he was pushed. A few, that he got what was coming to him. One witness said he was the victim of some rogue, right wing carrots who have made a vow to smash all eggs who waddle alone - because of hate and a phobia of shells. Secretly, I think H. Dumpty had an ego problem. He loved to pontificate. He liked the high seats of authority because he thought himself the incarnate God-given ruler of the refrigerator. His negative vibes of :superiority: were unfounded and ended up attracting other low level energy attractor patterns - like vengance. Because of the nature of the way things work... in this case, Mr. Dumpty attracted the forces which later killed him. So it was not the fall which caused his death? (Asked the reported of the Refrigerator Times). Nope. That is the nature of causality. Don't stop until you understand the forces behind the events. In those forces lays the rules of causality. Love and peace will win in a head to head battle with low energy patterns. Gahndi brought the British Empire to its knees using the understanding of causality. Hitler brought Germany death and destruction, but strengthened the world's resistance to him at the same time. It was causality at work.