Too Gray Now

Another one!!!! When Mrs. Too Gray Now and I were in residence for a block at HQ - we got to "shadow" LCM. This was a couple of years before the Atheletes craze... So we shadowed Craig. Guess what we did??? We raked leaves. Outside the chalet. The three of us raked leaves... all afternoon. We raked leaves the spirichul way! Craig was reasonably warm... we joked, we both laughed, we didn't talk ANY bible, - all in all - a lot like raking leaves would have been with a "normal" person. We even went into his motor home and had soft drinks. I asked him if he used the coach much when he wasn't on the road... I think he said something like, "Not too much. Sometimes it is a little bit quieter if Timmy is fussing - But I don't use it as much as Dr. Wierwille does, his." We went to the chalet - he asked us if we were tired, we said, sort of... so he let the Mrs. and I play hookey for the rest of the day. He said, "Take the rest of the day off." He smiled, we said the obligatory "God Bless" and split. It really is too bad that Craig and others behaved so f* ed up with so many other people. And that so many corps (like us Gray ducks) didn't see that sort of despicable crap... If I had only known... maybe I could have thrust my rake up his down spout. Instead, we thought we had just spent some quality time and really got to see "the heart" of the Corps Director. Yeah. RIGHT!

You Texans.... Y'all got a different word for everything! (Being Serious now: People talk about being drugged in the motorcoach and then waking up, compromised) So, when you said AMF - I thought maybe you meant - alpha- methylfentanyl or "China White" which is a highly potent synthetic narcotic analgesic. The street varieties are dangerous as hell. Glad that didn't happen to you, Dooj!!

Allan - Ahem! Get it right....dude! Ya otta know by now that you can trash LCM on this site... But, if you honestly didn't know the famous Merle Haggard song - then that, sir, is a country shame. An' some redneck's gonna call you out fer sayin' it! an' you thought it was Skokie, IL.... why that's a cryin' shame. No hard feelin's - Here's your song: Okie From Muskogee by Merle Haggard ".... And I'm proud to be an Okie from Muskogee A place where even squares can have a ball We still wave Old Glory, down at the courthouse, In Muskogee, Oklahoma, USA." Now in the voice of Larry the Cable Guy - I want ta heeer you say: "Lord , Forgiv-mee"

Oak, I think it is plumb: To examine closely or deeply; probe: “Shallow ideas are plumbed and discarded” (Gilbert Highet). I just didn't think I could say "deeply - probe" in this forum... ya know? So, I had to get Gilbert Highet to say it.

I don' no - dooj i din' git it - C A N U S P E L L I T O U T i.e. dumb it down so even a duck needeth not to err... ok?

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Tonto - I could NOT agree more... Indeed. BBQ at the DFW airpoirt?? Good???? Lordy pete - ANY airport I have been in earns at least this common/uncommon distinction: Airports: Where Food Goes to Die.. (And for those of you cruising the threads looking for plagiarized lines - that last one is one. I heard in on the BBC Show "Chef" spoken by the Gareth Blackstock character... there. And the rest of the words I used in my post, I got those from Webster - I guess. :P ) .... being accurate is SO much more work... :lol:

My frind, my STRANGE fiend... I am so glad that you are not dead!! Tom, Since you have been gone.... We actually have like 3 - like, like maybe even 4 - posters on this thread, now! Imagine that!!

Somebody better stop ole TT from goin' to the airport!! Imagine :blink: :blink: In his frame of mind what the TSA security people will do with him: :o :o Here is a likely transcription: TSA: "I see you are flying with no luggage, today Mr. Tuttle. Just a day trip?" TT: "You want me to give an account of my trip to you?? Then Who?? Who will be next - the head Elder? The Deacon who doesn't deek - It's none of your BEEZness!!!" TSA: "Mr. TT, EVERTHING is MY beesness!" "Just trying to make conversation". "Lighten Up, man". (TT is now in line for the X-Ray belt) TSA: "Please remove ALL jewlry, cell phones, pagers, laptop computers from their bags, keys, coins and metal objects and place them in a tub and put them through the X-Ray system." TT: (Approaching the X-Ray belt) TSA : "Sir." (no response) "SIR!" TT: "You talkin' to me?" TSA: "Yes." "Take off your shoes." TT: "... for the place where you standeth is holy ground!!" TT: "You're the angel that appeared to Moses, RIGHT!???" TSA: "What are you takin' about???" TT: "Oh, come Come On!" "The Gig is UP!" I WIN!!! I guessed the rest of the verse, right?" "Just let me go through, now OK??" TSA: "Sir, I don't have ANY idea what you are talkin' about. But I am gonna count to three and then those shoes had better be OFF!!! Do you Understand, ME?!" TT: "Well I know I got it right - because I am more noble than those in Thessolonica... I searched the scriptures whether those things are so... and let me tell you, Mrs. TSA PERSON... those things are SO!!" TSA: "Security - - We have a code 3, I repeat a code 3 in Line 5. Please respond, STAT!" 3 Days later... TT: (Doing his retemories) Gen 40:15 For indeed I was stolen away, out of the land, of the Hebrews and here also have I done nothing that they should put me into the dungeon.

So, Clay - let me rephrase the topic, slightly. Do we need long lasting doctrine? Is there such a thing? Exo 16:19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it (manna) till the morning. Exo 16:20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them. YUMMMY!! MANNA WORMS!!! If Jesus is the bread of life from heaven, then this whole manna thing is a revealing of - or regarding - Christ. Maybe there is a deeper spiritual thumbprint on these verses than one might think. We should consider going out and gathering our own manna. As a matter of fact, I highly suggest it. This is not a job for our pastors to go manna gathering FOR us, and then deliver what THEY had left over... to us. What if we gathered our bread via the spirit of God? "Every man according to his eating". The portion control is .... according to the eating. If we are babes in this kind of faith, then we must drink only pre-made milk - like that which Paul served - the milk of the scriptures.... just long enough for us to get our legs under ourselves and get out and go manna hunting, OURSELVES. I do not think that man was destined to suck the tit of the scriptures as his ONLY source for strength and doctrine. Now think about history. The early church "got blessed" with the Christ and the holy spirit - and they have kept THAT "manna" in their house for almost 2,000 years. Some prohibit their members from even going out and finding and gathering their own. ... and then people wonder why they get weakend after being served stale, stinky, doctrine. Man shall not live by bread alone (the historical Christ and his scriptures) - but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (that which the comforter gives you, each day). Have we considered this concept to be even remotely possible - or have we been chased out of the manna patch by the scare-crow tactics of the literalists? This concept has implications when one begins the task of destroying doctrinal strong holds. Hey, if you don't like my ideas - do ya wanna go fishin'??? Lord only knows, I got enough worms from my Way days for everybody to go!! So what is my point? DOCTRINE??? WE DON"T NEED NO STEENKING DOCTRINE!!!

EX ! :wub: Ya know, you are one of the nicest folks - good lordy pete - you actually were kind enough to come all the way over to this little corner of the Gspot and say "thanks". Pure kindness - that is the only thing I can think of that would motivate you - Speaking of dropping in for a visit - where in the heck is Tom Strange ?? Doojable - Tonto told ya straight - good advice. Some people "out" themselves to others and that "outing" is respected and not shared beyond the private topic message. Some, use their real names when they post. Some give clues as to who they are, but the clue may be rather cryptic - and then people start to guess - (Personally, i suc* at guessing games - so I don't play) Just bear in mind, it IS a public forum and you can NOT edit out your posts in the future... Me? I gotta stick with my username... I work with a few medium sized "wigs" in government - where appearance and perception and implication rules supreme - so, for me, anonimity (sp?) allows me to post more of what I really think. If there was a direct link to my real name, I could not post what I want, here... So, whatever makes sense for your situation - :) Now, if you look at OutThere's picture close enough - and Kojak his posts... you will know who he is - Same with HCW - and Polar Bear, and ... hmmm quite a few actually. While we are on this topic.... Tonto - I gotta ax you sumpin' How in the sam hill did you - a girl - end up with such a guy personna as Tonto? Did you marry Clayton Moore or somethin'?

dooj - thanks for the explanation :P I appreciate it! (Heck, you could have just as easily told me pi**-off and mind my own business - which would mean that I would have to go back working for AFLAC.) ... also - about messing up this thread... that can't happen. Not on this thread! The 11th was the biggest corps - but the 9th corps runs this place ;) If you go over to their thread... they have lots goin' on. The 11th... well .... anyway... <_< About your thoughts and such - thanks! When I came to this site, I knew very little about the deep-dark secrets of The Way Int. I always saw the Way as a means to an end - helping people with the Word. I NEVER thought of the ministry as an end in itself. So when it became obvious to me that the ministry was being run by people who cared more about the organizaiton than they did who it was created to serve... time to go. These same people were NOT interested in becoming more Christ-like - evidenced by edicts that put us in a position from which we were made to choose where we stood as corps. I found found their proposition to be insulting and weak. - I thought, "How absolutly moronic! As corps we were dedicated to "It Is Written" and were supposed to never cop out and, if necessary, have no friends and go out feet first. Now I was being told to re-think THAT and then swear alegiance to LCM ??!"- I don't think so!! - I resigned - FAST. Heck, If I knew what some of the people on this site had been through - I would like to think I would have stood toe to toe and done the right thing.... but I will never know. My point is - I really had NO IDEA how hideous an experience some people endured - until I came to Greasespot. After I left, I could not really get into any of the offshoots - I was too busy. But in the background of my mind, I thought I was still supposed to go out "feet first" in terms of my commitment to "It Is Written". For years, and years, I stayed pretty much true to the Way Int. teachings from the old days.... Some things happened which led me to re-evaluate my whole idea of spirituality, truth, the Bible, etc. etc. and today - well that is an entirely different story. So, there. Now you know someone else here at GS - at least a bit more - peace :)

Up There - I did not know you had experience before LEAD. You mentioned some safety concerns - Before my Way days, I was pretty active. There was an Outward Bound group that did their winter program a few miles from a ski resort where I used to instruct - I taught their instructors skiing skils in exchange for - ok - truth be known - just some beer. As far as safety concerns in 1973/4 - They were not ones to baby anyone. I saw students with frostbite pretty regularly. And their "SOLO" was nothing to sneeze at, either. I thought the LEAD instructors were at least "nicer" to the newbees. The Outward Bound guys wanted to break everyone. And in the cold of a Maine winter - that isn't too hard to do dooj-able Welcome!! And before we go one paragraph further in our on-line relationship... ya gotta tell me this - Just what in tarnation is a dooj? OutThere knows if a mountain is climb-able my son knows if something is destroy-able... so just curious - what does it mean "to Dooj"?

TT - Deed you poot souwerkroouut on your wheat-berries agin? Boy, that jus makes me grow 10 feet tall!! (Viagra-ly speaking) Nuttin' like in my Huganot days - we had lots and lots and lots of Shliden-vwurst and Poob-a-lubin' - even dah girls ate it!

The wife and I got in this one guy's truck with Moi** Kenn** from the 9th corps. Pacco, the driver of the truck - didn't really speak any english - but Moi** said she knew a little spanish - and he would take us right to Tinnie. In a blinding snow storm, we whipped out onto the freeway ramp in his semi. When we had to merge, he had to slow down - I was perplexed by the fact that Pacco was now looking very distraunt(sp?) and was STANDING and STOMPING on the break pedal to try and get the rig slowed down!!! :o :o :o Pacco said - (I am sure - in his best broken English) - "No Brake! No Brake!!" Moi** said something like... "Pacco - just let us out, here. Really. Right here, right now. Please." She was very calm. Pacco, on the other hand, was sweating like a fever of 104 had just broken. So, the three of us were then on the side of an Interstate somewhere in OK, in a blinding snow storm. We were at least out of the immediate road to hell that we had just been on. We all just sort of stared at each other in wide-eyed wonder. We watched as Pacco pulled his rig back into the flow of traffic in the distance... Then we prayed for Pacco. He needed it worse than we did!!!

Tonto - that is way too funny - now. Of course, I feel like I was right there with ya... I swear - life in the Way Corps produced many a great Seinfeld story. I mean, the soup Nazzi had nothin' on us - Have you told your kids all your stories? I still tell mine a few, here and there... and they just wag their heads in a condecending fashion and roll their eyes as if to say "Poor, pathetic, Daddy - He was SOOOOO mis-guided!" Don't get me wrong, I am glad my kids have not yet taken major steps to screw up their lives! I figure my kids are smarter than I am - no doubt - ... I just don't think they will have nearly as entertaining stories to tell their kids as you and I have Hey OUtThere - So... I wondered who that was who pulled up singin' 29 bottles of beer on the wall... Golly. ya know... you were on to something - I bet the whole inresidence experience could have been enahnced if we could have self-medicated with more beer!

Tonto - I guess we were posting on top of each other. I was editing my post (during that brief period when you actually can edit a post) to include a stab at your picture posting problem. Your experience DURING hitchicking included.... a nice.... warm..... floor........ HMMMMMM :wub: :wub: (See, you know you're in a cult when you get all misty eyed when someone offers you a warm floor.) I don't think us folks from Emporia were given that kind of Roswell info... at least I never heard about it. gee.... though... makes me wish the wife and I had gone Family Corps - JUST THINK!! .... a nice.... warm..... floor........ after endangering your lives for 40 hours on the side of a highway!!!! Now THAT is the More Than Abundant Life I was REALLY looking for!!!

Hey Tonto, Here's your sign! Sign for Tonto. My return hitchicking sign looked like I stole it from a homelss man... bent, crinckled, the letters had started to run from the rain, .... and yes. I was thrown out with the bath water... ... now on a more respectful, serious note - I did a bit of reading about your picture posting problem. and this is my conclusion: :blink: :blink: :wacko: Message boards are filled with these kinds of questions. People are offered a variety of causes. I do know that linking dynamic (i.e. changing) web addresses to a fixed link is a "no-no" to my IT guy - something about too much chance to be directed to a malicious site. I guess, you may need to host your pictures somewhere else - Of course, you could send PAW a note about your problems and see what he says.... but that makes too much sense... actually, I think you are getting better advice from the... WWW.Too_Gray_Now_not-too-sure-or-reliable-free-tech.-support_answers.com Hey I tried.

Geo... I agree. I hope my last post sort of clears up what I was doing and why. I have no bone to pick with what I THINK he was trying to say - I simply picked on him as if I was still an oversensitive, non-recovered, copped-out Way Corps grad. (Which I don't think I am. It is a posting personna sort of thing - kind of like you have a disctintion of being a curmudgeon - I am just trying to express the fact that I am too old for the $*@!* that I used to believe. Now I believe NEW shi* )Actually, Geo, I found his references to the simple pleasures of life and what I think he was saying - to be - refreshing. I think you nailed it with that word. As far as some your other points in your post - I hear ya. At least I think I do. I want to, anyway. :huh: Oh yes... women do leave their husbands - and vice versa - I know. My dad was married 4 times. I understood how to burn through women, very early in life. I know that when I alienated my first love over my new found Way religion and I made a big mistake - in my opinion. I trivialized what we shared and emphasized what we did not share. I handled the whole thing badly, IMO. The rest is history. I moved on. So did she. Tolerating contradictions to my "version" of reality du jour is part and parcel of my daily cross - to borrow a Christian term. I find that virtues are great and do not require any specific rule of faith to embrace them. I think many of your posts elude to that point. I think many people would benefit from your point of view about this simply because "the unbeliever" - in our Way days, was said to belong to Satan. To which, I say, horsemanure. As far as people down South - You will be glad to know that GREAT strides have been made in the area of pre-game prayer. For instance, praying to the Great Gymnastics spirit to keep the gymnasts safe and without injury (They say that.... because too many people were ....ed at hearing the word "god". )... and I... as a heretic en route, searching for Peace on Earth and Good Will Towards ALL Men - am I just supposed to stand there and support my kid and her team mates??? ....ah . yuh. Any other response would be because: Seems like the whole planet would benefit from taking massive doses of porportion pills. Just to keep things in balance.

Garth - I'd like to draw attention to my observation. Maybe that will help to clarify what I was saying... It was Penn's assertion that a shared reality results. If he and Dahmer shared the same premise, then - according to Penn - I should consider it an objective observation that they share the same reality??? God, I hope not... That is the irony - I did not want to say it, but in one sense, he did.Now, do I think that I am reading him the way he wants to be read and understood? I am quite sure - I did not. Re-read my quote, above - and then consdier this... He said... . Again, do I really think I am parsing him the way he would like? I doubt it. I simply read Geo's link and wrote about it along the lines mentioned. Some of the stuff I put in my post (like the fridge wisecrack) was because I thought it gave a stark contrast between what was "promised", and what one should expect to find, and what one (in fact) MIGHT find... much like our experience with VPW, LCM, and others. Peace.

This person, Penn J., seems to embrace the mere thing he says he is free from... He appears to be afflicted with a good bit of solipsism, indeed - thinking that unbelief in God gives him (his self) the highly valued ability to see reality as it is - like a virgin snowfall with no pesky self-inflicted tracks. Personally I am glad that he has found joy, Hallmark cards, etc. But his boast that his unbelief has lead him to the door of - not just reality without the self - but agreeing on reality... I am not too sure about that claim, either. Doesn't Penn J. realize that one man's portal to good can be another's portal to destruction? The door of unbelief has no mystical ability to free man from the self - for example: Jeffery Dahmer stated that his belief in evolution led him to his rationale of devaluing life, to the point that he could see no force… no reason NOT to commit (what to us were) heinous acts. His version of “reality” was dripping with solipsism – and he claimed he was freed by his unbelief, as well. His freezer told of a different reality. Some would say that a lack of belief in God will create a Jeffery Dahmer… That is stupid. I am not going down that road. But on the other side of the coin, I am NOT saying that the lack of belief in God will create the joy and "shared reality" of Penn Jillette. I am saying I found it interesting that in both cases - these two men cite their unbelief and tout it as their portal to their NEW reality... which is a shared reality - if I take to heart Mr. Jillette's comment. Sadly, I don’t think Jillette or Dahmer (VPW, LCM or anyone else... ) should have claimed “objective powers” when it comes to reality. I do agree with you GEO…. It is refreshing to hear anyone talk of their experiences of joy, jello, fine wine and many other good things – but if Mr. Jillette is correct in his - sharing a reality - ...I am just not sure if I would swallow his concept of objective reality.... ... I sure don't think I would have the guts look in his refrigerator.

Tonto... Yes, you too can be wasting valuable posting space by adding "PICTURES" with the easy touch of a button... or something which looks like a button... actually, it looks more like a pathetic representation of a tree icon... located in the string of command icons in your menu bar. (You know, the thing at the top of the white area where you type what you want to say.... ) So, once you get an idea of what picture you want to appear where in your post... then.... Click the pathetic looking tree icon... and then.... a window pops up, with a space highlighted for the URL (full internet address) of your picture. Paste the full internet address of the picture you want to appear... You will see the address appear in your white text area... exactly where the picture will appear AFTER you post it. Let's take a min. to discuss the forums STUPID rules on editing posts>>>>> I suggest BEFORE you post... that you scroll down the page and click "Preview Post" and see if everything looks pretty much the way you like it.... because NOW, on the brand new forum, you can no longer get up tomorrow morning and think - "I really should not have put my baby picture up there... " you can not edit your posts.... it will be there forever. Just to prove my point, here is my baby picture... By tomorrow... this link will forever be part of my post. Cute kid, yes????

Just another day in Way Productions. This little shot was taken backstage during WAY Prod try-outs. They wanted to get an idea of what sort of microphone skills a person had - so each person was told to "Bring Your Own Mic." to the try outs. This girl said, she did not have a mic. So - Way Prod person said "Just us a drumstick or anything...." We had a different way of intrepreting just about everything, didn't we?? ...

Out There! You had better sit down for a min. You tried to lay hold of ole TT and his debil spurt just socked you RIGHT between the ole eyeballs!! I tell ya, if gawd doesn't tell ya to lay your hands on someone... then keep your dukes off 'em! Everybody wants to lay hands on... Gawd says Keep your hands to yourself! Listen, there are only two times you can lay hands on someone - #1 because a 9th corps told you too - or #2 because he is your corps brother and he wants to go to Jerusulem. And, just so you know, when I went before the 9th corps area coordinator - Harv Platig - he wanted to instruct me more perfectly in the art of sucking up to leadership. But I had uncircumcised earballs. I didn't hear a word he said. Matter of fact, I was sitting on the top floor of Weirwille, getting my megaphone batteries in place so that I could scream out: "BLUE 2:1!!!" when called upon - and then out of nowhere!! Harv came up to me and said, "I can LICK any man in town!!!" WAOOAH! I fell on my face, I did!! He kicked me, and whispered, "Roll Over, psssst Roll Over" - So I kicked him back!! That was the start of the end for me!! - But Just NEVER lay hands on a 9th corps. Just Never.