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chockfull last won the day on March 11

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    Do I have kids or did I read it in a thread?
  1. Martindale and his lifetime pension

    Wow - 65k - that's like more than they pay teachers in most places. So home boy is sitting around watching soaps and collecting a principal's salary. What a waste of human life and air space. That probably kicked in so he didn't have to work at UPS during the Christmas season and tell tall stories that could get around. How is this justified? Well, #1 because lawyers, now no Way follower can request a financial copy. So keep the populace in the dark. Step #1. Have investment income from your pillaged $65M - so you can lie to Wayfers and say their ABS doesn't pay for a trust fund lifestyle for the Naked Cowboy of Cabin 12. I think on the next Way Productions Showcase, they should include a sketch entitled "What Craig Does With His Time But Not Your Money".... LOL.
  2. Never "holy" enough

    If it helps, I have gone to a therapist and done psychotherapy sessions regarding the cult. My therapist was cool. Ex Catholic priest, had done that for 25 yrs, then decided to get married and quit, raised a family, then when his 2 boys moved out his wife developed a relationship with another woman and divorced him. So he used his education in Catholic divinity and pursued a doctorate degree in psychology and counseling specialties. Cool dude. Cognitive behaviorist. It did help me put things in perspective. And I actually learned a lot too. It helped me gain self confidence and to see that they are the ones with the problem not me. They try to put that monkey on everyone's back with their Pharisee behavior. One interesting thing I saw from his teaching was that the changes introduced, especially to the Way Corps, were not from zero to way extreme, they were always incremental, kind of like boiling a frog from cold water. So I think I gained a better self image out of it overall anyway. Do you need it? Who knows. Everybody's recovery is unique and their own. And as everyone around here can evidence, I'm certainly not fixed yet. LOL
  3. Never "holy" enough

    “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” That's from Charles Dickens "A Tale of Two Cities". Welcome to the 'Spot. Pull up a chair and chat a while. I'm sorry about your childhood - being a child in the Way was a particular kind of hell.
  4. Plagiarism on the road to success

    WOW. This Machiavellian power play speaks volumes as to the standard set for top leaders that Victor Paul Wierwille showed by example in the Way. All 3 succeeding presidents after him have studied these acts and performed similar acts of their own. In this act VP was dishonest - lying in front of a group of his followers - lying about something one of his greatest supporters to date had said privately, removing him from any power and influence (which he had actually cultivated himself - that was not VP's crop there) through lying. Cutting off access to "the household", Steve was effectively "put on probation" right there and set up to be shunned with control of the followup messaging. The hippie element was "systematically removed". Wow. From 1972 on. VPW retired in 1981, right? So who exactly was it that spearheaded the "systematic removal of the hippies"? Ding ding ding - yes that would be old shyster VP himself. Mike you having been physically present there is a wealth of information about the early functioning of VPW you possess. You don't even know it yourself because you are kind of walking around in a haze where a man who was behaving like that even in your direct presence you explain away in your brain because somehow you believe God performed automatic writing through VPW in producing his plagiarized classes. A strong-arm tactic, Mike? Involving lying? Where do you see Jesus behaving in this fashion?
  5. Atheist FAQ

    Jonah's ?????????????????????????????? LOL
  6. Atheist FAQ

    Well, that would mean it actually has to be funny. I feel we have failed to clear the bar for that standard. LOL Cheers Twinky.
  7. Atheist FAQ

    All that would prove is that we are closer than we thought to the Turing test than we thought. And that Elon Musk isn't as paranoid as we thought. And, if it was just a week, I might not even notice depending on the timing. You see, I have absolutely no obligation to correct people who are wrong on the internet. Even AI bots. ;) LOL
  8. The Trinity

    On the Trinity topic, one way I have come to view this as Victor Paul Wierwille in "The Ingenious Nobleman Sir Quixote of La Mancha" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote The ingenious nobleman was so immersed in his own struggle his name became forever enthroned within an "ism". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quixotism Quixotism (/kwɪkˈsɒtɪzəm/ or /kiːˈhoʊtɪzəm/) (adj. quixotic) is impracticality in pursuit of ideals, especially those ideals manifested by rash, lofty and romantic ideas or extravagantly chivalrous action.[1] It also serves to describe an idealism without regard to practicality. An impulsive person or act might be regarded as quixotic. Quixotism is usually related to "over-idealism", meaning an idealism that doesn't take consequence or absurdity into account. It is also related to naïve romanticism and to utopianism. ----------------------------------- The real problem was people taking the plagiarized classes, then going back to their churches and not becoming a part of the Way in commitment and finance. VPW needed to find some way to pry people from their denominations. It was not good enough they were a functioning parallel member in the body of Christ. No, he had to teach about an exclusive term known as the "household", where other Christians are just a little bit sub-par at best. Between that and the Trinity, Victor Paul Wierwille could easily cast doubt upon teachings centuries old that had ideological basis in scripture but not actual terminology in scripture. I mean there are a lot of other monk-chanting like stupid statements in the Apostles Creed, so why focus on the one? And why is Augustine the only d@mn Pope in history Wayfers actually know the name of? It is like the extent of Wayfers knowledge is a two paragraph historical summary in Jesus Christ Is Not God which they cling doggedly to like a shipwreck piece throughout even post Way life. No I think the rejection of the Trinity with vehemence is evidence of our brainwashing. Not rejection of it alone - I don't believe in the doctrine of the trinity. But us taking up the spears and going after the same windmills is going to leave us perpetually shipwrecked.
  9. Florida resident escaped fundamentalist cult

    It's really good, and provides an important piece of HIStory regarding Biblical research and its practices in the Way International especially in its formative years. This research is the "truth" that the modern Way is based upon. They have abandoned further pursuit of ongoing Biblical research and resolved themselves doggedly to the materials founded upon what you read about in this book. I think it is better and more accurate than the HIStory they used to sell in the Way "The Way Living in Love" by Elena Whiteside. That book presents the only recorded folklore behind the snow on the gas pumps story which is the reason why they don't research any more. Coincidentally, similar thinking to the Mormons. With automatic writing from the angel Moroni, who needs research? Anyways, although Charlene and Elena were both hippie children in the same era, Charlene was much more practically grounded and worked in the research department. She's funny too and sounds logical not like a flower child. Those are my impressions reading both works. Mrs. VPW's account stops short of the timeline presented in both of these works. 5 stars. Highly recommended.
  10. Concerning the Bible...

    Really cool. Interesting stuff. Nobody sees these men in the Bible as wrestling with their own angels, so to speak. Some of my view of Paul is that God gave him some really wild pictures to cope with his inner demons. I'm sure his daily mental process looked a whole lot more like wrestling with an angel than the norm. Perhaps also that is the reason for a greater recorded meditative discipline (i.e. SIT more than you all - rather than focus on the one side of that, what about the prayer/time/outlook side of that). I don't know. But it inspires some cool thoughts.
  11. It's the words

    Hey Taxidev, Thanks for sharing. Your post kind of brought up a rhetorical question to me internally. "Can truth exist in an enclosed vacuum outside of external influence?" The Way is an enclosed system that functions top-down originating from one person. (e.g. Rupp sharing "I'm not a yes man. I'm a yes ma'am"). Other trained up Pharisees will continue on in the same fashion - scriptures guarantee it. So as an enclosed system, how is the Way any different than the surrounding Amish in the local community around the Indiana campus they bought from the Catholics ? The campus was a "Sisters of the Healing Waters" retreat or something previously. Like going down the road and seeing a horse drawn buggy and a carriage, perhaps the simpler non-thinking life is more appealing to some. All of this modern stuff is too much, too overwhelming. Let's seperate to simplify, and enclose ourselves. Instead of an elected leader, one will assume power by coup. Then rule like a dictator. Wow. Sounds like a novel I read in high school called "Lord of the Flies". That is what selfish humans revert to by course and by "old man" nature. Now RFR will deny this enclosed system up and down as one of her besties is one attorney named Columbo who kept her lilly white behind off the witness stand through most of the lawsuits. She listens to him more than scripture, hence her dogged rejection of any modifications of the debt policy. Is that an enclosed system? Well, you kind of get an essence of that in Melody Carter's long diatribe - RFR appoints and removes BOD members exclusively. Legally they have an odd number for voting, but basically RFR dominates and has for years - ref Rupp quote. JY de Lisle is a more normal family man who has been raised under her tutelage longer than any other high level leadership member. Little to no field experience, so his entire reality was crafted at the little white cult city of Utopia in po-dunc Ohio surrounded by a community locally that hates them. As scriptures predict, the next generation of Pharisee will be 3x as bad. Joel Olsteen is a bit cheesy but he's cool in some ways. In others he is all "prosperity gospel", like so many in our generation. Those are of the sort Jesus would probably be seen kicking over their moneychanger tables outside the temple if he was around. But part of the body of Christ and endeavoring to teach and build. Sometimes local Klingons to the shipwreck can be quite friendly. And teach scriptures. It's all good. I am of the persuasion more according to that small story "Acres of Diamonds". I believe God will open up to the seeking Christian great avenues for connecting to the body of Christ within the direct area they live. And actually one good way to see things clearly is to follow the money. Or actually in some cases look for the ego, as I think there are a fair number of shipwreck leaders that have their own money - that is no reason to pay them heed. The body of Christ is much much greater than our limited view in the Way. The body of Christ is not an enclosed system with power residing with any one human being living on earth. We don't have to cling to shipwreck pieces of wood and be afraid of drowning waiting for someone to come by and rescue us. We are strong. We are swimmers.
  12. Why I left an Evangelical Cult -- Ted Talk

    Love it. Excellent content Rocky. This is the true essence of Revival and Restoration, if that group wants to get real about it. Not sitting in a house on a prairie by yourselves isolating from society standing stubbornly going on teaching truths that originated from a narcissistic plagiarist. Grow up. You've got your own younger generation watching you.
  13. When the mask came off

    I just downloaded it too spectrum49. It looks like a good deal of effort into it. I am going to read through it over some time.
  14. “The gestures imply a level of commitment that’s out of proportion to the length of time two people have known each other.” I think that sums up most of my relationships in the Way. Forced hierarchies with forced friends and sick expectations.
  15. NASA Own Video Evidence They Fake Space Exploration

    You are welcome. There at least were many humorous and interesting stories on Bullshido forums. http://www.bullshido.org/Ashida_Kim UPDATE: Its been a couple years and that website series at Bullshido has declined in quality.