Nottawayfer

I saw him at the Advanced Class Special last November, so he is still in. He lives in Las Vegas, and he flies leer jets.

There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I actually tried to pause and rewind a tv show. Me not so smart. -->

There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I left twice, but on my own accord. I left in 1990 after lcm drew the line in '89 and demanded loyalty. I went back in 1992. Then I left just recently. I was never m&a'd; I guess I was too good a little wayfer. I guess the closest I ever came to being on twi's sheetlist is when I didn't give in to one FCs demands to involve her in every detail of my life. She was mini-martinpuke. Sad thing is: she really believes that you have to control EVERYTHING!!

My ex-boyfriend and I lived on opposite coasts before he moved to my coast. I planned a trip to visit him and called the FC to let her know I wouldn't be at fellowship because of my trip. I was still looking for work after leaving HQ, but I had been working temporary jobs to cover my living expenses and this trip. After letting the FC know I wasn't going to be at fellowship because of the trip, she said: "NO, I don't think that's best for your life. You are looking for a job, and you will be missing days from doing that." I told her my decision was made and I wasn't asking her permission.

TWI is kinder, gentler? I think the top dogs need to look at the middle dogs to see what the hell they are doing.

There once was a girl from Nantucket....

I walked away. I don't feel hurt by walking away, but I am hurt in how it caused contention with my boyfriend. I am ....ed at twi for teaching that they are the one and only stop to God Himself. If only the innies remembered....

God is not limited to one little ministry in podunk ohio claiming to have the only truth concerning God and His Word. HE IS NOT A RESPECTOR OF PERSONS, and He does work in people OUTSIDE twi.

If only they would wake and and take a look at the fruit produced by twi: it's putrid. There are too many situations where people have been and continue to be treated badly.

Glad I'm out so I can start living again.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

I felt like a slave some times. Especially during advanced classes--we worked mega hours then. Glad I don't anymore. ;)-->

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Insurgent:

Well said! You are exactly right. This is how they kept us in for so long: fear (sand in the machinery of life......blah blah blah BS!!!)

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

This reply is to my boyfriend since he's reading my posts and doesn't understand my reasoning on this subject:

Dear B:

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I am condmening myself in my stupd head that I am being attacked becasue I left the ministry. But then if I were in the ministry, the same thing would have happened and I would say I was being attacked because I'm doing the Word.

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The point I was trying to make in the quoted lines above show you how ridiculous the logic of twi is. I was ticked off for reverting back to my almost 20 years of bull.... thinking while I was in. I don't believe I was being attacked because of leaving, and I don't believe I was being attacked because I was doing the Word. I wasn't attacked; the way would just like me to think that. I refuse to overspiritualize events that happen. When you got all those parking tickets, were they attacks on you? No, you just didn't know the law or slacked in area just like I slacked in putting the stupid sticker on my car. No spiritual explanation needed. Overspiritualizing is a thing that started with lcm, and you know how I feel about his sorry a$$. Why would you still believe his BS? If his logic were true, he should be in sorry shape with what he did.

I'm sorry how things transpired with us, but I am not sorry I left twi. My itentions are not to appear to be throwing darts at you, I just want you to understand where I am coming from. I still love you even though we cannot work out our differences.

PS: I got $100 in the mail today. I almost covers the $105 I had to pay the towing company.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

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I scraped up the first three months tuition and was accepted. I didn't want to go because I didn't have enough sponsorship after that but was assured that God would meet my needs.

Of course after three months the money for the tuition was not there and was sent home and told I didn't believe God. This about devasted me and the condemnation really set it.

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Well we all know this is how twi works. Their formulas are all BULL....!!! Stayed too long, don't let this get to you. TWI darkens everything we ever believed about God, His Word, and Jesus Christ. GOD IS FAITHFUL. We do see things happen that aren't always the best, but we can always get up, shake the dirt off, and move again.

I stayed too long also (19 years and 9 months). I refuse to let them dictate how MY God operates. I am re-evaluating everything I've ever been taught, and my goal is to love God and desire Him like I did BEFORE twi. Allow God to reveal Himself to you. Look for His blessings; you may not realize how many He has already given you. ;)-->

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

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Originally posted by Wayfer Not!:

SongRemains: Were you drinking last night? I don't get it.

Walker: I wondered was those ticks were. :D--> I'll go see the doctor about it.......ROFLMAO!

Really my first post on this was right after coming in from seeing my car wheel locked up. Yeah, I cuss when I am livid. Maybe I need anger management. I have noticed in the last 2 years that I don't have much tolerance when I feel like I'm being screwed. I felt screwed by my apartment complex. (Sudo, I don't need any comments on them protecting me. That sounded like TWI to me.)

Lindy: In reading the responses and thinking some more yesterday, it is my waybrain that lent itself to thinking that I was even being attacked. I want to change that thinking that just because .... happens, it must be an attack.

Thanks for your story. That was quite a day for you and your wife. Take care.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

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To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

SongRemains: Were you drinking last night? I don't get it.

Walker: I wondered was those ticks were. :D-->

I'll go see the doctor about it.......ROFLMAO!

Really my first post on this was right after coming in from seeing my car wheel locked up. Yeah, I cuss when I am livid. Maybe I need anger management. I have noticed in the last 2 years that I don't have much tolerance when I feel like I'm being screwed. I felt screwed by my apartment complex. (Sudo, I don't need any comments on them protecting me. That sounded like TWI to me.)

Lindy: In reading the responses and thinking some more yesterday, it is my waybrain that lent itself to thinking that I was even being attacked. I want to change that thinking that just because **** happens, it must be an attack.

Thanks for your funny story. That was quite a day for you and your wife. Take care.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Well guys, I'm not so ticked anymore, just a little poorer ($105.00). Thanks to all who made me laugh. Especially Eaglehouse! I can just imagine saying love you to the grocery manager. :D-->

Excathedra: You are too funny too! I loved that dog story. Sorry that dog got so ....y.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

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Why the heck do you think they went to the expense of making up those bumper stickers in the first place? So you could look at it on the kitchen counter?

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Yeah, that's what I thought....... -->

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

George:

AAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

I'm on the way out of my apartment to go to work this fine morning. As I get to the parking lot, I see something on the tire of my car. When I get to the car, I see that my car has been immobilezed by a towing company because I don't have the effin sticker on my car from the apartment complex. We have assigned parking, and I figured that if I (the person who was assigned the damn parking spot) was the only one parking in the spot, there should be no problems. I was never told that I needed to put that sticker on my car. I have an aversion to bumper stickers and parking stickers. My stupid car still has the dumba$$ sticker from HQ on it. I covered it with a US flag because I couldn't get the damn thing off.

Anyway, I call the effin towing company to come and take the immobilizer off my car. He is 20 miles away. I live in San Diego. Do you know what morning traffic is like here? It sucks. I yelled at the tow truck driver to get his *** here NOW! I am so ....ed.

I am condmening myself in my stupd head that I am being attacked becasue I left the ministry. But then if I were in the ministry, the same thing would have happened and I would say I was being attacked because I'm doing the Word. What is it? The Way ministry has an explanation to fit everything that fits THEIR *****NG logic!

I know that I'm not being punished for leaving twi. I know it was the absolutely best decision I have made in years. I chalk it up to the adversary is an *******. If you love God, he tries to get his jabds in to make your life difficult.

Thanks for listening.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubledwine:

I right there with you about Christ making known God. I have come to have an EXTREME desire to know more about him since he is the head of the Church. TWI teaches that he is the subject of the whole Word, but they don't teach on his functions today. Obviously as the head, he must have some. I think they've missed the boat big time in this area. It's not about the trinity and worshipping him as God. There's just more to it than we've been told, and I'm on a mission to find out.

I hope you fast track to your fork in the road. Even though I have been through some emotional times in the last month, I don't regret my decison one iota.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubled:

I wanted the special would be a deciding point for me. If what I saw there was promising, then I would stay. I was trying like hell to make it worth staying to keep my life simpler. I wouldn't have to tell my leaderdang I was leaving, wouldn't have to tell my boyfriend I was leaving, but that meant putting on my best twig face. The thought of living a lie was killing me. I guess you could say the great fellowship was my promise. It certainly wasn't the rehashed teaching, that BORING twi history lession from RFR, or the major lack of sleep I endured that made me want to stay. I realized I had to be true to my heart of hearts.

When I started posting on GS, I wanted substantiated, solid evidence of the phoniness of the current bod. I heard some information which helped me to put 2 and 2 together from things I knew about while at HQ. This helped me to see their creepy ways. That helped me to make a decision that I wouldn't support the evil twi.

So now, I answered you. I went to your other posts to learn more about you. You seem pretty knowledgeable about stuff that went on. Tell me why you stay? Obviously you know twi isn't Rosie.

By the way, you mentioned something I wrote on another post about rfr makign people apologize for wrongs they did. The person I was mentioning was a dept coord who was also mentioned on another post about lesbians of the way. I heard this information second hand. Even if it were true, it doesn't make Rozi rosey.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

I would not be going out on a limb to say that twi does not practice what it preaches.

Troubled:

When I when the the acs, I was an emotional wreck. I knew the right thing to do was leave, but I had too much invested in my time in the ministry and my relationship. It was extremely hard for me to do because I could have lost my honey! Thank God he told me he loved me and wasn't going to dump me. That was one of the first things he told his fc too--he wasn't going to dump me just because I left the ministry. God I love that guy!!

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Trouble:

Also, we've been taught that practical error leads to doctrinal error. If that is true, why would we even trust the doctrine we've been taught by VPW or LCM? They were both chronic adulterers? I was absolutely disgusted to find out the things VPW did.

I want no part of a ministry with a foundation of adultery.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Trouble:

The main reason I left is because I see all of these people on GS who were treated like dogs and who still have not been apologized to for the wrongs that were done to them. How could I support something like that with a whole heart or my money?

When twi recognizes that it needed to become a kinder, gentler ministry, why were any apologies made to people who were hurt? IMHO: They are fearful of being sued again, and again, and again. There are unresolved issues, and I know the bod aren't stupid to it. We know martinpuke won't come out to apoligize.

When people were M&A'd, horrible things were shared about them at the lunchtime forum at HQ. These people are not the bad people they were made out to be. Why would you or I support that? I have seen a lot of a$$ covering and phoney smiles.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

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I still go and my interest in your story is that you went to the special and you had a lot of questions (questions which I still have) and then you went back. From your last two posts you seemed to indicate you were going to try to make a difference so to speak. But yet, in just a few weeks you decided against that.

Because I am an innie, (like many others here) I wondered what made you change your mind? Did you try and it didn't work? Did you just see that no one was open to change? Your experience is valued and you have made a decision many of us are facing even as we speak. I was just wondering what you experienced so that I (and other innies) can get some sense of what to expect when we make our move.

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Trouble:

I would like to know more about you before spilling my guts. Why don't you tell me about yourself on a private topic to me.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Thanks Eaglehouse!

I sent you a private topic to see.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubled:

I did have a good time with the people. The people in twi aren't necessarily evil. I was happy to hear that people were thinking on their own and not waiting for bod excathedra to be announced before they made decisions to buy houses, etc.

You may be skeptical of my leaving, but I couldn't stand to be hypocrital and go to fellowdang at the same time. I also couldn't support evils that had been committed to people that were not resolved and probably never will be.

Hope this gets you off my cloud. Somehow I just don't like your tone of writing.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Troubled:

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what I don't understand is you said you went to Dallas and that you had such a good time with the people there that all your issues didn't matter because after all the people are what matter. So you went back to Ohio, and within three weeks or so you left the ministry altogether. In fact, you seemed to be upset that people asked you what you learned at the special.

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You totally read your own interpretation of things between the lines. I never said the other stuff didn't matter because of the people. Where did you get that? I don't know where you get that I was upset that people asked me what I learned.

You need to ask more questions before firing darts at people.

PS: I never went to Ohio. Get your facts straight.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Steve!

OK, you don't soudn arrogant. I knew I was going to leave too; I just didn't know when I would get enough nerve to jump off that 25 foot diving board. Really, that's what it was like for me. But once you do it, things are better. You just have other things to deal with.

By the way, when you and chinson get married will she take on your last name and become chinson! :D-->

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.

Lindyhopper:

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Martinpuke, WaferNot?

Did you eat the same leftovers I did?

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I guess we did. By the way, I hope your parents get out too. I really like them. I saw them at the advanced-class-not-so-special. I talked to your mom. I always thougth of them a fun people.

To handle yourself, use your head; to handle others, use your heart.