Nottawayfer

Yes, there are a lot on welfare. But several women work jobs. I've seen them in our bulding for New Employee Orientation. I was in NEO with one of them, and she was at least 7 months pregnant. There are job openings for a few positions up there which usually get filled by these people. I don't think there are many county positions which can be filled. There are quite a few other communities fairly close which provide avenues for work such as St. George, Utah (which is a pretty good thriving community). While the working wives are at work, the other wives take care of their children.

There are a lot of business up there, and passers by may stop and eat. Those businesses are on the ouskirts of their townto keep the "wicked" (anyone not in their group), from coming in to the actual community.

Here's the link to the thread she started when she came back: Lookin' for Ole Greasers

i hope you are doing well.

i heard about a year ago that you posted and were asking about me and a few others.

as you can see, it took awhile for me to stop back in, and now dakota is my handle

please contact me as soon as you see this dear adios, thru the gspot email.

i'll get in touch right away.

xxoo

If you are talking about AudiosMiCorizon, her new name is Ophelia. She came in a few times, but we haven't seen her since. She said she lost her husband. I hope she is doing well.

Call me a LeftCoaster. I feel way safer in earthquake country than I ever did in Tornado country. The frequency of earthquakes is so little or go without many noticing. When I lived in Tornado Country, it was scarey for me every night in the spring and summer when there were thunder storms with tornadic possibilities.

I some good ideas why the stuff happens. My opinions and observations are based on why it has continued to go on in Colorado City. The group in Texas is a little different because they don't have the freedoms of their own town like they do in Arizona. This group has existed for over 100 years. The last time they experienced raids was in the 50s. Raids in the 50s were for the purpose of incarcerating those in plural marriages. I'm sure there have always been teenage girls who have been married off. Today, I don't believe those who want to be involved in polygamist marriage should be considered criminals as long as the marriage is only of consenting adults who have the ability to leave the marriage if they wish to do so.

Today, the issue of teenage girls being married and impregnated are the major issues, and rightfully so. However, the major influence of law enforcement is in their own city by their own people. Sure, the County Sheriff has jurisdiction there, but they didn't even have a lookout station up in that area until a few years ago. As far as I know, there isn't a whole lot of services by the Sheriff up there. That part of Arizona is separated from the rest of the state because of the Grand Canyon. For any county services to get to that area, they have to travel through Las Vegas, and the southwest corner of Utah before they get there. It is 265 miles away. The County Maager (who is a nazi-like retired Navy Captain) screams about satellite offices which are less than an hour away and how he would like to shut them down to get rid of the added expense. I can imagine there will still not be many services available to what we call the Strip Area (the strip above the Grand Canyon).

When our office goes up to Colorado City to do annual canvassing and verifying building permits, we have one man from the group who takes them around to each house. It's all orchestrated because they would NEVER allow us to just come in and do their work like the majority of taxpayers would. We work with them so we can get our job done.

As time has gone by, the County Seat, Kingman, has been filled with the good-ole-boy politicianis s who could give a rat's behind about areas like Colorado City. Colorado City is fine with that. Leave them alone and let them do what they want, and everyone can live the way they want to. All of the local governments have allowed them to be. There hasnt' been any checking of what goes on, and nobody outside has cared about teens because they probably didn't think about it until one woman (Fora Jessup) got herself out and started going to the media to tell her story and has helped several girls and women escape.

Nobody in that environment knows anything different unless they are shown. Most of the people in that group have hardly even been outside the walls of their city. They don't know how life is outside. They just live they way they know. Then when a few who do find out what it's like outside start talking or acting in an unacceptable manner, they are ousted. Excommunication for these people is extremely hard because they've been kicked out of the only life they knew. They have a lot more change in their lives than those of us from our little cult. They are taught the outside world is "wicked". It's far different than fellowshipping with unbelievers when you are involved in TWI. They don't welcome outsiders to their church. They don't witness.

There are girls who left who were on Dr. Phil who didn't even know who the President of the US was. They are taught only enough skills to learn to function in their own life-style. For women, that would be cooking, cleaning, childrearing. For men, it could be something better, but only if it is useful in their group. They don't want TV, but the upper echelon does have cell phones and computers. I'm sure the upper echelon have a different life-style than the average person there.

The children are given very little education. There is a school district up there. It was originally ran by those in Colorado City adn few others outside, like Centennial Park (another polygamist group). The school superintendent was being investigated because there was suspicion that he was funneling tax payer dollars for the school district to Warren Jeffs, their prophet. The school district was taken over by the state, and Colorado City took their all of their kids out to home school them. Most girls never make it through high school because they are married off and impregnated. Most boys don't because they need to do work in the compound. A lot of boys were kicked out because they made too much competition for the older men to acquire more wives. Thus, there is another set of victims called "The Lost Boys".

It's sad and complicated, and I've only told a small amount. But there is a serious problem, and it takes goverment who actually cares to do something. Unfortunately Mohave County has not cared enough to rectify a lot of situations it should have. They really need to have their own county up there for starters. There needs to be a force bigger than the Colorado City police in order to get things changed up there.

...I've heard plenty about Colorado City and how controlled it is by the LDS....

I just want to clarify it isn't LDS who control this group. It's FLDS (the fundamentalists who believe they still believe in the original doctrine from Joseph Smith).

(((((Dot)))))

It's still new for you, the wound is still fresh. You will learn from your marriage and divorce. You can be even stronger. If you use this time to look within, figure out what YOU want and go for it without compromise, you will be a fulfilled person. If you learn to love yourself and your life without a man, it will be more meaningful when you actually do get in to another relationship. I highly suggest to give it time. You will know when you are ready. Dont' make emtional decisions about love in the next year, and you will save yourself a lot of additional heartache.

Love,

Someone who's been there

OMG. Rick Ross the cult expert is on the morning show now on Fox (i'm at work but I have a tv here) and they are talking about this. They showed a part in the beginning where all these ladies said "Good morning" in unison, the same monotone voice. All hands folded identically in their laps. Rick Ross said these interviews with these ladies are very scripted, and programmed, and carefully orchestrated, and obviously controlled by the men. They have absolutely no individual personalities. It really is scary. I mean it's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

They ARE controlled by the men. I live in the same county as the same group in Colorado City, Arizona. These people come to our office. I work for the Assessor. There is another group next to Colorado City called Centennial Park. They are an offshoot from the FLDS. They do polygamy a little better. I'm saying that tongue in cheek. They don't appear to be in the dark ages as much, and they have interraction with others outside their community.

There's a woman who is the superintendent for the Colorado City School district. She from Centennial Park. She stepped up to the position from another in the school district when things went south after the Colorado City folks pulled out of their positions because of investigation. There was suspicion that much of the school district's budget had been poured to Warren Jeffs, their leader, who is now on trial.

Our office lowered some values, and this new school superintendent called because she was furious. Our lowering values meant she had to increase her tax rate and get flack from those outside these two religious groups who were in that school district. She could have kept the tax rate the same, but that would mean teh school district would suffer MORE. A bunch in our office went up there to have a huge meeting with the taxpayers. Now when this lady called me, she was a complete beyotch demanding to know this and that. Once you got her in her group of men, she was quiet as a church mouse. She was not allowed to speak. The men took control over the meeting, and this lady had no say even though she was the school superintendent. The men do control everything in these groups.

I don't remember 80/20. I remember 100%; and if you had a hard time understanding a portion, you were told to "hold in in abeyance" until you did. I never saw a marginal line of understanding in TWI. Try making one subject, say the trinity, as questionable. They would hammer anyone who questioned their doctrine on the Trinity.

She might seem OK with your doctrinal difference now. If she's a committed "believer", she will try to talk you in to taking classes, going to fellowship. If you don't, be prepared to get dumped. If she is looking to get out, then you might be OK. If she seems she does want out of TWI, send her here. This place has been a wonderful place to get some frustrations vented about TWI.

Well, if you look back at Post #193 you'll see that I posted something simple, on-topic, and was ready to move on. I struggled valiantly to keep it on the CFF topic, but everyone else wanted to bring up other things that led directly to my bringing up the written PFAL deprivation....

Well, Mike, since you struggled valiantly to keep it on topic......

Dang! I thought this thread was about CFF.

PFAL??? Mike??? Again???? I thought you were hiding somewhere else on GSC.

What's in it? Or is it a special hand shake???

I had a georgous roommate who was in the WC and black. She and an asian guy hooked up and wanted to get married, but leadership discouraged it. She's still single and at least 50 and still supporting TWI. I want to ask her how's that working, but I don't want to rub it in. TWI got involved in way too many personal aspects of people's lives.

I knew of another girl who lived in the northern part of oru state who was dating a guy in the southern part. She wanted to move to be closer to him and develop the relationship more. She was going to move in with me and my roommates. She was also discouraged by leadership saying it wasn't the best move. People wake up!!

HA! And Ditto!

Dang Shellon! I thought for sure we would hug and kiss when we met.....sigh.

It took me awhile to unravel way doctrine and realize that it was all a whole hatful of lunacy(duh) and they needed to go sell crazy someplace else

That might be a great line to tell somone the next time they knock on my door to offer their god.

Panama City Sailor wanna hump hump bar......

Panama City Sailor wanna hump hump bar......

Leif Garrett....gosh I haven't heard that name for eons! I thought he was the bomb when I was in high school.

My WOW Family Coordinator told me he got a girl pregnant while he was in residence. He didn't have money to pay for an abortion, so I assume it was paid for by TWI.

This guy had a fling with my WOW sister and many other girls who were wooed by him that year. He even tried to woo me. It was very deceptive. He was giving me a backrub. It seemed harmless. Remember, everyone gave each other backrubs in the early 80s. Then he started kissing my neck. I got up and excused myself. It felt weird and gross to have my WOW brother doing that. He didn't try agaiin after that.

BLECH!!!!

I signed up for the class, but I am really behind right now. I spent the previous 2 weeks taking care of my nephew while my sister had twin baby girls.

I'm reading chapter 1 still. I started to listen to the podcast for chapter 1, but I need to finish the chapter first.

I don't know what I'm expecting out of this. Eckhart Tolle says either you will be enlightened or bored. If you are ready for enlightenment, you will get it. Am I ready?

Evan Williams would be right. I don't think he's involved anymore. I worked with his mom on staff until she moved to Toledo in 1999 or so.

I think the Angela you speak of was Angela Coleman. She had brothers named Tom and Sam. Last I knew, she was divorced with 3 or 4 kids and is a police officer in Austin, Texas.

She was kind to me. I am sad to know she is gone and that she was in a nursing home. May she rest in peace.

I don't think she was in a nursing home for long. I talked to someone at HQ just last January who told me she was living with Bob Ed and Marsha Wierwille (her step son and his wife) at that time. My assumption is that she must have had some health-related issues which took her to the nursing home.

Rhoda was a dedicated lady. God bless her.

SOM,

Try it; you might like it. I promise they won't taste like sandpaper.

I was in TWI from 1983 to 2002. I came to GSC before I left TWI. This place was a haven for me to vent my frustrations and things that just didn't make sense from a godly perspective. I found out that my experiences were not isolated incidences. I also found out that TWI really is a cult.

Leaving TWI was like a divorce for me. I felt betrayed and suckered. I was ....ed off and wanted to chop some heads. I'm over that now. I just hope to provide a light of hope for anyone else who wants to leave. It is a despicable organization.

I post a lot less than when I first came here, but I thank God for the understanding listeners here at the cafe who lended a shoulder.

I only like herbal teas. I warm my water up in the microwave, and I put a bag of STASH Peppermint tea in it. I let it sit for 5 minutes.

I must be a tea heathen.