Nottawayfer

Wayfers are sheeple. One starts something and they all follow. I remember the 80s was a great time to combine MLMs and believing. It was like a business in a box. How about window washing and landscaping? Many weren't able to pay their bills because their businesses didn't make that much, yet so many lived below par to save face with their "believing".

At HQ, I saw MANY follow each other with health trends: Atkins, Fit for Life, you name it. I remember liquid vitamins and colloidal minerals. Sadly, I knew a person who lost their foot in an accident many years ago who actually believed colloidal minerals may make their foot grow back.

The hypocritical thing I saw with not allowing full time corps to smoke is Don W was allowed to keep smoking while he was full time staff. He wreaked like cigarettes terribly. Sadly, it cost him his life.

Let's not forget LCM and the Trustees smoked cigars when they were in the Bahamas at a Trustee meeting. Didn't he say something like "Rules are meant to be broken."

Maybe it's OK to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. But prepared to get your face melted.

So sad to hear this. He was one of the good guys. Prayers for his family.

I married someone who was never in TWI. For me, it's a breath of fresh air. I don't think about TWI every day like I used to. My life has new perspective now, not rehasing old thoughts and memories. Plus, I've explained enough to my husband that I don't have to repeat what things like ROA mean. My husband "gets" my involvement in TWI and has been a tremendous support and help to my new path of life.

I remember a character who prayed for their pot before consuming it..

ROFLMAO!!! That is too damn funny! I remember my WOW sister and I putting aside a cigarette for our WOW brother for after his work shift. We all waited tables together. She said "M*rk will be blessed to have this cigarette." Another co-worker looked at us like we were nuts and said in huge question "He'll be blessed????" I understand it now.

I got in in the 70's and was aghast that after Fellowship, everyone would smoke pot. And this went on for some time.

When I was a WOW on the field, people were smoking and doing cocaine. I think back and the first time I went to an event, and everyone was out there smoking cigarettes....I asked someone about it and they said, well smoking has to do with your flesh, not with the spiritual and God doesn't care if you do or you don't. I had struggled with quitting smoking but had successfully done it for like almost 2 years before attending that event....but when I heard that I was like, well ok, I can go back to smoking again. (I will take full responsibility for that decision....but it should have been a "wake up" call that maybe I should reevaluate my involvement) And Then it was like almost everything, the pot, the sex, the drugs, the alcohol was somehow "OK" because it was of the flesh...and God dealt with the spiritual. Don't know if anyone else heard that explanation....But I did consistently. There was an answer for everything...a justifiable answer that just made you think, well I must be screwed up then....I know people felt that.

I remember that kind of BS excuse as well. It's typical cult mentality. They twist the Bible and their logic to meet their own agenda. VPW raped young girls. He was supposed to me a Man of God. Somehow he explained it away in his pee brain and then sold everyone who knew on the idea as well. Thus sex ran rampant in TWI.

19100 E Shelby Road is the physical address for TWI HQ. There is another 5555 Wierwille Road, but I think that was only for the Wierwille home.

Mr. Scowl Face aka L*nder would make a lot more money with a book deal. He was LCM's personal body guard for years. I'm sure he knows A LOT. Maybe even enough to make Rozilla shake in her ugly smelly boots.

W*yn* Cl*pp did research for awhile while I was on Staff at HQ. That is until LCM totally trashed him and sent him packing. My understanding is WC confronted LCM about his sexual improprieties. I remember LCM saying at lunch that WC was doing shoddy work, and he couldn't put his finger on why he feltl that way until he justified to himself that WC needed to go. It was an excuse and a rant. Typical LCM crap which doesn't surprise me in the least bit right now. I remember feeling bummed WC left. He seemed so approachable and a genuine caring type. I don't know him personally, but that's the vibe I got from him. LCM gave me the creeps even when I was on Staff and believed he was the MOG. I thought I was just afraid to be in the presence of the MOG. Now I see it was my gut instincts talking to me.

There was a huge amount of new Staff who came in the year I did, 2001. Many of them left, and I'm sure many had been enlightened by their experiences on Staff (especially if they were around when LCM got the boot). Depsite walking around with our twig faces on, there was a lot of murmuring because everyone knew they were being treated like slaves. There's no honor in working on Staff. We were just told it was the most honorable thing you could do just below going in the Corps.

When I was ready to leave, I had my placement meeting with my Cabinet overseer, who was my Department coordinator as well. I told him I spent the maximum sentence and was leaving. He said he'd make my request known, but to plan to stay. I left scratching my head. Then I went back ot him and told him I wasn't Corps and I WAS leaving. He said OK. He gave me the cold shoulder for the next 6 months. Placement meetings are in February, and we don't get to leave until August.

Not yet. We're pretty casual about the legal formality at this point. That won't stop us from throwing a party though!

If there's not legal formality, then what is Groucho officiating? Is there a freakin wedding or not?

Congratulations you two!

My WOW sister, Katrina Phillips, was from Boise. We were WOWs in Waco, Texas, August to December 1983. Then we were moved to Midland, Texas, for the rest of the year. I often wonder about her. I got in touch with our first WOW Family coordinator recently. I hadn't spoken to him since December 1984, and he was looking for the people in our family.

I heard him yell many times this phrase:

"Practical error always leads to doctrinal error!"

Then he would get in to a holier-than-thou diatribe about continuing to practice erros causes people to make a doctrine out of it. Hello? Who was having sex outside marriage? Who told single people the Word didn't say premarital sex was sin? Who was practicing error?

That phrase ran through my mind a lot of times, and it convinced me to leave TWI. LCM was the worst practicer of error and VPW taught him, so they both were full of shiite in their doctrine as far as I was concerned.

If only we could have been flies on the wall while he, Rozilla, and DM spoke....I'm sure even current wayfers would finally get enlightened at the hypocrisy and lies.

I often wonder if his homo purging years were his way of blowing off steam due to a situation in his own relationship or lack thereof.

I like angels. I'm glad I don't have the stick in my arse about them anymore. They are beautiful, and who gives a flying fart whether they look like that or not? They don't really represent anything evil.

I saw Nicole Kidman and Penelope Cruz on an Oprah show recently. They are in a musical called "Nine" together. I though it was interesting since they were both involved with Tom Cruise, a Scientologist. I always thought Cruise left Kidman for Cruz after "Vanilla Sky" was filmed. Nicole put her arm around Penelope as they were being announced by Oprah. I wonder what stories those two share about the weirdness of Mr. Cruise.

Trust and Obey:

According to their website:

Board of Directors

Rev. R*salie F. R*venbark, Chairman

Rev. J*an-Yves De L*sle

Rev. R*bert Mc C*lloch

Rev. V*nce McF*dden

Rev. J*hn R*pp

R*pp and De L*sle are still at TWI HQ. Mc C*lloch is not at TWI HQ anymore. And it is said here Mc F*dden is in NM? So who knows what the stucture truly is anymore. Rozilla keeps her yes men at bay and she winketh with her eyes, speaketh with her feet.....just like the naughty seed men do. LMAO at what a crock that teaching was too!

Off topic alert:

I'm LMAO because the ad banner at the bottom of the page is for an all gay exotic cruise. What words in this thread made that come up?

They are so retarded to not have a contact us page. I seem to remember the logic on that is it takes a little effort to send a handwritten letter. Sort of a pseudo-screening process of sorts.

I think they really don't want to deal with the barrage of emails they would get. People asking WHY? Rozilla still doesn't want to answer questions.

I'm still waiting for the cult to die. Surely it won't last another 10 years.

One of my Wayfer FB friends had a message to check out the new and improved Way website.

New and Improved?

There's still no place to contact via the web or email.....still in the dark ages huh Rosie?

I am working real hard on forgiveness. I have to learn how to cancel the debt against those who wronged me. Whether or not they do that with me is beyond my control and therefore not worth trying to rectify. When I left those I talked to on the way out the door made sure I that I "knew where they were if I needed them". So will I ever go back looking to make amends? no. Will they ever seek me to rebuild the bridge? HIGHLY unlikely. I think your question answers itself.

I don't think you need to cancel the debt against those who wronged you. When I left TWI I had a lot of anger against a lot of the phoney people I trusted. I went to a divorce care group (even though I had been divorced for 7 or 8 years). I learned holding a grudge is like drinking poison and hoping the wrongdoer dies. Forgiveness doesn't mean the wrong is made right. It just means you decide you won't harbor feelings of ill or hate against the wrongdoers.

It took me a while before I was able to move on to forgiveness. Sometimes you need to feel your anger. There's a wide spread of emotions and feelings when you leave a cult. Allowing yourself to experience them can be good for a short time.

The law of believing teachings do nothing more than bind people in a cycle of will worship that results in deep seated self condemnation. I know because I am still dealing with the effects.

There's no place like TWI HQ to get your @$$ kicked and to be made to feel like you are spiritually effed up. It comes with the territory. I remember feeling paranoid. I couldn't live on a need bases, so I was in credit card debt. That fear alone terrified me. I didn't dare go back and tell them I couldn't live on what they called my need. They already had a meeting with me to tell me I didn't "need" what I asked for.

I lived a lot of lies at TWI HQ. It is supposed to be a place of peace, tranquility, and lathered with God's love. At least that's what I thought when I moved there.

I was there 5 years. When I told my Cabinet leader I was leaving, he said "I'll be sure to let your desire to be known at Placements, but be prepared to stay." I was in shock. I wasn't Way Corps. I went back to him and told him "I'm not Way Corps, and I served the maximum time I committed. I am going out on the field." He didn't talk to me much the rest of the year. That was in February, and I didn't leave until August.

I saw LCM act like he was listening to God a lunch one day and "ministered" to someone on Staff with cancer. No healing happened. When I recollect on that day, it seemed like a show with snake oil.

I knew of someone else on Staff who dealt with breast cancer. They had to deal with leader.... condemning them for not believing, and the hair loss. They were left alone to deal with it themselves without any help from the so-called houseold of God. So much for the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation in and TO the household. What a bunch of hypocrites!!

We are so better off out of TWI! My life has increased in joy 100 fold since leaving.

How they answered every question I had from the Bible sucked me in. I wanted to speak in tongues for a few years by that time. Hearing manifestations at fellowship was just the mojo I needed to suck me in more. Then they got me to go WOW, and that was it. We ran 7 PFAL classess, and I sat in every single one. I was fully indoctrinated by the end of my WOW year. All of my family had left TWI by that point. That was the same year VPW died. I wish I had been as smart as my family. My dad never really fell hook, line, and sinker. He always said VPW was a con. He was right. I think my dad only took the class to see what the rest of us were fussing over.

It's funny that the manifesations was one of the first things I kicked to the curb when I left. The forced SIT with Interpretation and Prophecy was phoney baloney. There is a thread on here where many people admit their feelings about them. I wish I could find it.

Then a Limb Coordinator told me that my 16 year old daughter was "almost ready for him".

WTF does this mean? The way you were treated was unbelievably pathetic, yet it was typical for TWI.

could you tell me in one sentence what you just said ?

quote "Greasespot isn't for everyone; we're all different and move beyond TWI in manifold ways"

this is what particularly annoys me about your response

Ex,

Aren't you being a little sensitive? His statement is true. There's nothing personal about it.

Bow,

Here's the answer to your questions:

The rules changed with Rozilla. She's in charge, and it will stay that way I'm sure. My hunch is she and DM are the reason LCM went off on gays.