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Actually when first I read that sentence I thought it could well have been taken as a slam. Debunking the myth that you need to be an "intellectual." Does that mean their team is short on supply so they have to make that attribute seem less important? Shall they ever learn they can only run ahead and change the road signs for so long and eventually people are going to actually notice it!

Innies, I ask for yourself, not for me, that you weigh each word given you regarding grace INTO good works. I'm not saying you don't do good works, or that the Bible doesn't state we are to walk as Jesus Christ did, doing good works. I'm saying be mindful of twi doctrine slowly adding to your understanding that it will be vital for your salvation, etc. based on your good works. And that it should be automatic for you since God gave you grace. Grace is being used with a different twist to back up their mind control of you. © TWI

Well I think you've seen my font enough, thanks for your reading time. ;)-->

Again BINGO!!!!!

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Remember when it was cool to be considered in their cult though? We were kind of messed up weren't we!

For years we wore our "cult" status as a purple heart you know. --> ;)-->

I realize I'm going to contradict myself but that was the premise for doing new classes actually. The further depth, the new light, the generational change that needed the same scriptures viewed slightly more updated (whatever that was to mean). And I've stated once (that I recall) how I never blamed Craig for taking the scriptures deeper. And I'll face the wrath here of stating it once again. The man is not as ignorant as we may state him to be. He understood much more on his own than will ever be given credit for here. While I COMPETLEY UNDERSTAND that because his deeds WAY OUT WEIGH the other I still had to state it again. So it appears opposite depending on how you look at it. They went further, or in some instances backwards, but now since Craig has been in hiding they've resorted back to what they had been teaching was no longer the present truth. And now they're putting together a new class. I guess they'll have to update their verbiage to accommodate such changes. Maybe they ought to just hold onto their announcements and replay them ever few years, it does seem they circle enough to profit from them.

Typical TWI rhetoric that will be repeated over and over again to the innies and the definition of "fruit" will change depending on the motive of the day. Profit and fruit will mean worldly success and blessings when they want you to give more money (but how many really have that in TWI?) Fruit will mean new students and new people bringing money to TWI when they are pushing outreach. Fruit will mean spiritual growth when they want you to sign up for their Advanced Class Specials and pay for that new taped foundational class. They have the manipulation down to an art form and the innies are so used to it that they can read between the lines without even realizing it, thereby giving TWI what they want in their loyal followers. My concern is that nothing at all is mentioned about a personal relationship with God or Jesus Christ. It's all about "knowledge" and "rightly dividing the word" - where is God in all this? Where is Jesus Christ? --> They remind me more and more of the Epicureans they made fun of...."we'll hear you again on this matter." Nothing but puffed up knowledge inspires them anymore. It's really sad. :(--> I agree completely. I've noticed this publication is especially heavy with follow the publications UNTO GOOD WORKS BECAUSE OF GRACE. They have a serious hard on for grace it appears. My gawd, how they will turn that into a trap when it was the opposite of one when God gave it.

must be away...will finish my replies in a bit...

Religion is exempt is an accurate way to look at it. But it's for a godly reason. Since the scriptures are established and won't be changing then you could technically teach the same thing over and over for generations. But their publications are not the scriptures and if they were honest for one second and counted the thousands they have lost they would look to themselves and examine what they must be doing wrong. That would include some of that wrong teaching though, and that seems to be against their rules. They have even engaged the corps in research and once completed made the proclamation they were right in the first place and just disregarded the research of their faithful ones. They are hopeless.

Um, well guess I could have just said read Mr. H on this one, because that's exactly what they did.

Abi, I've noticed that the publications I've had available since my exit seem to have moved even deeper into dependences for them. Maybe because they had little new research and material coming out, but it has jumped out at me BIG time in the past year of reading them.

And that works for awhile actually. That mind numbing activity. Been there and done that for sure.

From an article titled "Grace unto Good Works" by R*co M*gnelli: Closing statement pretty much says what the article did. I'd thought they were going in the direction of making works equal to receipt of anything advancing. I'd seen this word show up a few times...advancement. That would enable them to expect works from their fold. And they'd have the necessary scripture to back them up. It may be just me but it looks like that's where they're going. Closing statement: God, because of His love for us, gave us the gift of salvation through grace. God's grace is unmerited divine favor. It is not given because we do good works, but by grace we are sufficient to perform every good work thru Christ Jesus, our lord. God's grace is like a consistent and favorable breeze that allows us to move forward and steadily advance in life. It isn't something that we work for, but it is something that we work with to move ahead, going where we desire to go with God and doing the things we desire to do for God. It is His supply through grace that will continue to provide the direction, encouragement, strength, and resources we need. Let's continue to grow in God's grace through a study and application of His Word and abound to every good work. © TWI

harvey did you used to smoke dope ? either way, take it up now please ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Well at least you know she remained a steady. --> She's unique is she not! :D-->

From article Timothy: A Believer's Example by B*b M*ynihan...Some of the fundamental areas of importance that God exhorts His sons and daughters to develop as a way of life are to: (1) study God's Word (2) pray (3) witness the Word (4) abundantly share (5) fellowship with like-minded believers Nothing outstanding on points except these IMO: Under ABS category it mentions Craig's Rise and Expansion book. Tied giving directly into their receiving growth and advancement. Emphases on the importance and benefits of sharing one's abundance and being a cheerful giver. © TWI That ends what I have to give now, as I said I will read that article when I can. It is by R*co M*gnelli titled "Grace Unto Good Works." Thus the name defines why I would want to take my time before reporting to you here. As well, I've not given my input but haven't had the time to do both post and add to it. Thank you for your understanding.

From Sunday (service) Highlights: R*man S*eciw "Our Partnership with God"...why establish a financial partnership with God? From a heart standpoint, it's so that we can respond in love and thankfulness for all that He's done for us. It's so that He then can bless us with all of His abundance as stewards of that which God owns. With a mind-set of freewill, joyful giving, we believe to receive and enjoy so many of the great benefits of being in a financial partnership with our heavenly Father." © TWI More in next post.

I'll post an assortment of bits and pieces that will hopefully be of interest. There is an article that I don't have the time to read right now but will and post on it. These other things I sped read for the most part for things that jumped out at me. From article on Advanced Class Special: R*ivenbark: "The purpose of Biblical research is to establish, develop, or discover information so that others may be taught and benefited by the instruction. All Biblical research is to be approached with prayer, believing, and a peaceful heart – not to prove a point but to let the Word speak for itself." P*atig: "Our teachers did a great job of debunking the myth that you need to be an "intellectual" to do good Biblical research. They really showed us that the keys are already ours and that we have the materials in our ministry storehouse to each be very successful at working God’s Word." D* L*sle: "It was inspiring to see the international believers hook up with their buddies from the Advanced Class. You'd see internationals with The W*y of the U.S.A. believers going over their notes together all over the hotel. It was a great illustration to me that it's the Word that brought all of us together." © TWI More in next post.

Dates and other details will be forthcoming. That was all I saw but I'll be mindful to check in the future okay.

You're welcome. :)--> Mr. Hammeroni, Abi and Belle, thank you for the insightful posts. Interesting to note they are doing a new Foundational Class, as we suspected. Wonder who the teacher will be. I would eat my mouse if it were Rosie. :P--> I'll look further to see if anything of interest when time. I think this phrase of Harvey's is insight into something in itself, still looking and thinking on that one. ....where we know the grace of God in truth....

A few more items of interest: In the 2006-2007 ministry year there will be not one, but two Advanced Class Specials at the Way International Headquarters, each with its own theme! Dates and other details will be forthcoming. A new Foundational Class in English will be videotaped in the spring of 2005 for use worldwide. The Advanced Class will be held at Headquarters June 12-25, 2005, and Advanced Class graduates are eligible for work-study program (see the back cover of this issue for more information). The Household Enrichment Series has blessed the Staff at Headquarters in recent years. To extend these blessings, several of these teachings have been recorded on audiocassette and will be available for Foundational Class graduates via The W*y International Bookstore in January. © TWI