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The Calvin thread, is me trying to explain WHY it is there is nothing to understand about Calvin because it is nonsense. Point #2 Its very very clear, that truth stands on its own merit, neither does the facts or the truth come up for VOTE to determine wether it is the truth or facts. That sounds like something Obama would employ against the gospel, you know take a Vote on what is the truth and facts and what is not. A vote is about what people want, not about what they are entitled too in there own clever manipulating of the facts. It's about greed Shellon, nothing more or less. I have made all the attempts any reasonable person can make to dispell and dislodge Calvinism. The bible is really clear on the topic, if someone wants to believe an error, if someone wants to be ignorant let them be ignorant. Calvinism doesn't want to go away, because it wants to practice the gospel in a way it wasn't intended. The whole entire point of Calvinism is to manipulate facts and the truth in order to manipulate God. The really plain part about all this Shellon, is that it is NOT me who has to suffer or should suffer for others wanting Calvinism, its just like The Way International, the facts come back to bite those who didn't want them, thus your argument is not with me, it is with them. I was just trying to help Watered Garden because I believe she is sincere, and honest with herself. There are Calvinists that are the uninitiated ones, they dont understand what it is they are involved in. They are the ones who wander around in different campgrounds, typically knowing way more than anyone around them, who know one else wants to listen too. God puts them there so that Calvinists can see what a real Christian looks like. Now it might be that Watered Garden has me fooled too, if her story isnt real, if she made up part of it. But i am just relying on the things she said, because I have known people like her, who have done like her in the same situation.

Year2027 God Bless you Roy, for helping so many people over the years, I cannot say enough about how much of Jesus, I see in you. I have to explain my beliefs sometimes in rhyme and music for it is easier to say that way. I seriously wish and pray some of you people would stop making political threads, when the threads only point appears to crystalize a point about getting someone to stop by so that any one who wanders in can get body slammed AWA style. If a person is smart enough to set a bear trap like that, then they are also smart enough to know that they shouldn’t start it at all either. And this thread is a doozie, because you can’t win for posting. The intent is to make someone look like a Communist for discussing freedom, and then to argue political overtones by tatooing Karl Marx on them. That is stinking sick. I mean, I am apolitical, meaning I have no political corner wherein to brace myself. But I think I will just do what Garth has done and shout McCarthy McCarthy, because he was an ANTI COMMUNIST SHILL and voice of reason against. If it is good enough for Annie Colther it is good enough for me. But every last thing that I just said in the above three paragraphs forget all about it, because I cannot make it stinking work. I can’t make it stinking work because the entire basis of this thread is unreasonable and cannot be answered in words of reason. That is why somethings are better explained by musicians, song and dance, lyric and Shakesphere, which explains things that lack reason by positing prinicipals which explain it all: Blink 182 lyrics Where are you and I'm so sorry I cannot sleep I cannot dream tonight I need somebody and always This sick strange darkness comes creeping on so haunting everytime And as I stared I counted the webs from all the spiders catching things and eating their insides Like indecision to call you And hear your voice of treason Will you come home and stop this pain tonight stop this pain tonight Don't waste your time on me your already the voice inside my head Here is the song and dance which better explains what is going on here, sorry for the repeat but some songs have applications that do not go away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8YDRknQ-NQ Or perhaps a better way to say it is too just let The Word of God say it,it never fails Gods word always does: from the book of the Colossians 2:8, 'Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.”

Peoples calling and election are NOT one and the same as someones predestination. The word of truth is very clear on this. This is why I gave you the Antidote serum for Calvinism which is II Peter 1:10 which says: Wherefore the rather brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure for if you do these things you shall never fall. I never said God was a respector of persons, God is a respector of faith and those who love him and want to walk in his ways, do not turn aside to nonsense, because they have a certain amount of fear of missing Gods plans in them. Calvinism tries to make a way to God without having to do even one thing, the requirement is to make your calling and election sure so that one is not always falling down. I just knew that I shouldnt' have come back here talking about Calvinism. Because its always the same rhubarb, the same shill, the same phony lies. I cannot be anymore clear about it than that. It is not possible to be anymore clear on the topic than this. I started an entire thread dedicated to discussing the Calvinist matter. It was addressed everywhich way possible, with me in a clown suit, puppet style, everywhich way someone could possibly discuss and understand the matter, therefore I am finished discussing the matter. You have to realize also it is about ignorance,WILL FULL IGNORANCEII PETER 3:5 "FOR THIS THEY WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT OF, THAT BY THE WORD OF GOD THE HEAVENS WERE OF OLD AND THE EARTH STANDING OUT OF THE WATER AND IN THE WATER. This type of ignorance is basically about ANYONE WHO refuses to acknowledge that God (who is the Word) , by the word of God, created all things.And we know that from John 1:1 In the beginnning was the word and the word was............etc etc. Everyone who refuses = Calvinists, Atheists the heathen etc etc.

Watered Garden: I thought much about the interesting theological enigma you brought up. I realize these things are important because you feel like boxed in with no answer when one seemingly isnt readily there. I had pretty much the same situation arise in my own life, just a short time ago. Not knowing how to solve the problem, I did some more reading, inquiring and came up with what I think is a workable solution. Usually these kind of situations arise because your standing in front of someone who is tying to control manipulate and harm you. I think the minister was wrong wrong wrong for laying a guilt trip like that on you. John Chapter 9 alludes to a situation pretty much like the one you described, where John 9 says, And his disciples asked him, saying, “ Master, who did sin this man or his parents that he was born blind.” Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned nor his parents, but that the works of God should be manifest in him.” I know at first glance it sounds like a hokey and canned answer, but the truth is some people are alloted more misfortune than others for the simple reason is that God wants his works manifest in them, more than in anyone else. It’s a tough one to hear because when a person is sick they want to be well. So the grander question is does sin cause all disease? Not ALWAYS (as recorded by John 9) but it certainly causes some disease we know that from the old testament. We also know that sin causes death at least eventually. The question becomes also what is death? Death can be things as small as an incapacity to learn and grow. Furthermore, AND THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT, you said the disease wasnt healed because it was UNCONFESSED SIN. The bible never once indicates that you have to shout your sins from the rooftops in order to get them confessed.(the bible does indicate however that people who refuse the grace and covering of God, will eventually have there sins shouted from the rooftops.) It is, I think, about giving it an honest and sincere effort. Also know that, Its says to confess our faults one to another, but our sins we acknowledge by confessing them to God so as not to repeat ourselves. Thus, I think what you have is a classic case of misunderstanding ,in both the goodness of God, and the diabolical nature of man who wants to embarrass you. Moreover, there are lots of what the bible calls false teachers, who want to get the goods on people so they want to turn bible believing Christianity into a pile of worms by getting all the goods on someone else. I am not saying this is what this minister was doing, but the fact is you never really know. And lastly and please don’t take this wrong but I have to mention at a small minimum, what unconfessed sin really is. The bible says that SIN is the transgression of the LAW, Gods’ law not man’s law. The problem in the world is that the world rejects God’s Law,. thus they have a skewed idea of what sin really is. Like in the Old Testament, there are all kinds, all manner of things that we as people don’t really understand. People don’t understand Gods law because they reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s pretty clear from the Apostle Pauls writings, that the fullness of the law, the revealing of the Law, the complete understanding of the law, is made or revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. So that, if anyone does not hear Jesus’ voice they are not his sheep, etc etc and eventually they can never come to know the finer aspects of the Old Testament Law. I understand Watered Garden, exactly what your thinking. Your thinking that someone such as myself, couldn’t possibly understand the gravity of your situation. I am not trying to patronize you to ‘get you on my side.’ I just want to see Watered Garden forget about things which God is doing away with, mainly God abolished the Law for righteousness in the person of Jesus Christ. Does that make sense, I hope so. The subject that you bring up Watered Garden is, I think, so lengthy and deep that one would need a library to get to the bottom of it all, because every person is just way too individual. I hope that this in some small way contributed to what you are trying to get figured out. And, I am deeply sorry if I didn’t go into this in great enough length, but I havent been feeling all that well myself lately, (been a little sick) and I am really starting to run out of capacity to help people all that much. I am running out of gas Watered Garden because I am getting overwhelmed by to many things for me to get done. I think, working to much, is a disease also. Its hard to stop and a person doesnt want to because the needs of others and myself are just sometimes too great. Also know that I could pile on story after story about someone who is or got sick. I mean, I have had a daughter who had Luekiema, a son who is now a substance abuser, and a wife who has chronic kindney problems, fibermyalgia, migrane headaches, fallopian tube problems. My wife was hospitalized in a hospital bed, almost 50 times in our first 8 -10 years of marriage. Now I am not counting ER visits or Doc visits I am talking about in pateint stays, wherein, she cussed and swore at the nurses, pulled out her IV’s basically did everything possible to make her own situation untenable. Anyways, to complete the story, I used to think that all this happened to me because I had unconfessed sin. All of that changed for me when I realized I didn’t do things to cause all the chaos. Like you, I always had someone standing around me, thinking that I did something to make all of this happen. If you want to know why these situations happen, I believe you have to read and understand the book of Job, and what Job’s fourth friend, Elihu said to Job. Now I realize when your suffering this is a small consolation, but I don’t know, if I could have made it or continued without the book of Job, because it enlightened me to the reason behind human suffering. Perhaps this is why VPW was so big on ripping up the book of Job, because he simply didn’t want to deal with or permit the concept of human suffering, that it had any intrinsic worth, into his own misconstrued idea of what people need to grow in life. There are also somepeople who make a great big deal out of understanding the bible, as if it was that difficult. It is so remarkably easy to understand that it even has a covenant called the SALT COVENENT, a couple of sentence covenant which simply means have a little salt in yourselves as in honesty and truthfulness. (Again, I am not saying this is you, I just bring these things up because of violent sick men, who would pervert the simplicity of the gospel.) Of course the bible has a profoundly simple message, which is why I mentioned the Salt Covenant. There are those who would like to make it deliberately complex and obtuse. They like to make it deliberately complex because they don’t want to be responsible for the simple message. I have said this repeatedly. People go to college to learn mighty things, then, they ought not have any complaint that the bible is difficult at all, because by there own educating they have indicated that they are plenty smart, to know exactly what the bible says. This is why Jesus commanded that the gospel be preached throughout the world, so that, nobody could have a right to complain that they never knew what that message was. The problem for people like John Calvin and his initiated flock always was, he ran out of space. He ran out of space so he had to make it deliberately complex so that he didn’t have to obey it. Doctor Weirdo, VPW, pretty much was of that same order and did the same thing. Lastly, as I am sure you are aware, there are some people in this life who when they open up the bible, about as far as they go with it is too break a fingernail with it. I know that is NOT u. I know that is not you because when someone spends as much time as you have trying to figure all this out it means that you are sincere and honest with yourself. As Mr Pmosh would understand,I am NOT trying to patronize you either Watered Garde, (with apologies to Mr Pmosh, I did not mean to steal and run away with your concept.) Obviously, I stand to gain nothing in this life, by trying to tell you what I think in an honest way. Anyway, I hope this helps at least a tad. Oh, and thank you so much for the compliment on the Calvinist thread, Watered Garden, I am glad you found that thread helpful. It’s about the fact that Calvinists and there “initiated followers” , fail to outline exactly what sin is. They don’t define it because they do not wish to deal with it, at least not in the way that God demands it be accounted for. When I came back to the Café, I was a little skitish about talking to you. I was skittish because some Calvinists are around and I thought you might be one. One other story you might find interesting. My own mother in law, has had metastatic breast cancer for 19 years, was given only 1 year to live. She is alive today. She is one of those faith principal type of people, she kind of believes (at least I think) that her cancer comes back from time to time, so that she can confound all the Doctors as to how she always survives. Not a calling that anybody should want, but one that she does. She is a miracle a day. Now I don’t know about her unconfessed sin, and she is kind of bossy so that I am sure she has her own misconstrued things. But one thing, she never really gets wrong is the basis of her own personal healing. She just kind of runs around at 70 some years of age, saying by his stripes I am healed, and it never misses a beat to really work for her. She is sort of like a real time sermon, about healing, in that, everybody who watches how she stays alive, is simply puzzled and marvel at the prospect of it.

Yeah Waysider, its actually an American Bourbon Whiskey. Like Jack Daniels and Jim Beam, it's made from a corn mesh stored in Oak barrels (to give it a charcoal barbecue type taste), one of the chief differences being Wild Turkey comes in bottles up to 100 proof. The point being, like they said years ago before they had drugs for clinical usage, "For medicinal purposes." I believe for history sake, even Dentists back then would use whiskey and other alchohol for anethestics when performing their tasks on patients.

I will tell you what in order to clarify all this Lucifer stuff, I posted on the bottom of my sig, pretty much a replica of the what a real life Lucifer would do to an alley cat such as myself. Bottoms up. Yeah ok. You know waysider how much I want to comply and be a good GS citizen, sounds like a reasonable request from you. So here you go, I will say it again for compliance and safety sake: Well that might be one possible explanation, it’s certainly not the best. BTW, Waysider, thanks for making me chuckle and laugh. Put it too a joke then and see if that will ease the thread: Q: Why do most people never think about Lucifer Rising? A: They never thought they could fall. As far as the guy here who said to provide some scriptural or other referencing, you know your very humorous also. Coming from a former TWI person, that is like a chef asking me to cook up a warm meal for them. Thanks for the laugh. Umm ok I will try. I believe the only lengthy discription is in Isaiah, were it indicates something to the effect that Lucifer said in his heart he will exalt himself above others and be like the Most High. So that, the enclosed description is pretty much on target for what a really evil persons tactics would have to be, to accomplish such evil. Hey what else can I say, it was the best effort I could muster up. Hey Invisible Dan, great to see you, I thought you were in hibernation, exile or retirement for the GS Café. I remember as tho it was yesterday, how warm and welcome you made me feel the first day I showed up here at GS Café. What would I do if Lucifer showed up at my house? You know your hysterical Dan, you really are. It’s not as tho I had to personalize this any more than I already have. Thanks for the laugh. Ummm, I guess this is pretty much what I would do, if Lucifer showed up at my house. I would get me a bottle of that Wild Turkey 100 proof Whiskey and call it an anethestic. I would get me some silverware the stainless steel type, and have either a baseball bat or broomstick for self defense. Then, I would have to tell ole Lucifer, look Lucifer, I got some anthesetic here and some silver ware, if you want me to remove that big fang, you know the one that your hurting other people with, ok I will volunteer to do it for you. My hourly charge Lucifer, is 1,000.00 dollars per hour. I think InvisbleDan, it would be something like that. I have always had a fascination with the bible verse in II Timothy 3:8 which reads, “Now as Janes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth, men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.” I guess it has fascinated me because it is precisely how bottom dwellers when it comes to the gospel act in life. They resist the truth continually. It’s actually really odd and peculiar how they do it. So that, I think it not a far stretch to suggest how someone, or what rationale someone like the Devil or Satan would employ against the gospel. One would expect that they would single out people like Jim Jones or David Koresh, as meaningful reasons why they discard the bible. But Satan, one would expect, would be far more diabolical. He would probably pick out something more personal on a continual basis, and simply say, “Well, you know, I really thought well of the Bible, until that person over there arrived.” Then he would be pointing to some cookie that, saying something like that would empower himself with all the people he wanted to empower himself with. When the real reality of it is, Satan never had a lick of interest in it in day one. I actually know this one person. I will describe to you precisely how this one person operates. What this person has done, is, from the time the person was a teenager, picked out one (and only one) story about how this one fine Christian person said something about them which was awful and degrading. From there this person moved around that story as the sole reason never to have anything to do, or even try do to anything in the gospel ever. Period. It’s also very very odd that this same person, uses the same tactic that happened to the person, on other people to diminish and degrade others. The person uses it as a form of employment in all of their social constructs. Meaning, the person has like a fog horn, of one story on everybody that the person knows, and the story that the person tells, is always the worst or most embarassing awful thing that the person is talking about, when speaking of someone else. Then, this same person, stands around as if they are some authority on matters large and small. The question is does this tactic work? I would say pretty much not at all, because most things about this person, lack qualitites one wants to embrace, so that the person pretty much undoes themselves just based upon there own performance and lack of virtues in life. But this person does possess one really peculiar attribute. That attribute is a capacity to get really weird off the wall people in their back pocket, and at the same time to see rather honest and descent people wanting nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with themselves. The reason is rather obvious. You have to toss someone like that headlong out of your house. You cannnot suffer it for a second. If you do, all you end up doing is inviting a litany of awful stories and confusion, about really good people into your life, on all occasions. Nobody needs that much confusion. The peculiar thing is, somepeople, just love, really love, that much strife contention and confusion and unforgiveness for others. They like it because it is the only appetite they have which remotely explains there own laziness and disgust towards truthful things which to them are painful. It’s painful for them because they don’t care a lick about the truth, honorableness and value of someone else. And they don’t care a lick about truthful things because they simply are in love with their own evil and wayward ways. So, that they have to justify the reasons for their own wayward ways continually, and they do it by continually bashing and pasting someone else, most particularily those who stand for the truthful things they hate. (And if you listen to them closely they are always filled with Yeah but, yeah but, yeah but’s. They have a Yeah but, out pitch for everything. On almost every occasion, what comes after the yeah but; is the reason for whatever it is that they did. They did it because of what that person did and said over there, and over here, and this thing yonder over there. They have a plyable excuse in there minds made up for absolutely everything they ever did, before you get one word out of your mouth. And the whole time you talk to someone like that, they act like they are learning something from you. So, that, you kind of feel cheap and wrong, if you try and put the brakes on there scheming awful cycle of carnivorous ways. And if you try, they act like there will always be a tomorrow when they will get things just right. The real truth is, they really don’t even want to try. They just want to have another excuse to keep it going an going. I suppose there is nothing wrong for having an valid excuse for something one is doing, which is why I thing judgement is best left at the hands of God Almighty. There is a difference. Some people are sincere, some are not, about changing. And only God can make the call on that one. But after a while, it is almost impossible to communicate with someone who operates like that. And I do believe it is possible for somepeople to get themselves into an eternal windfall just like that. If it wasnt possible why then would the bible speak of eternal judgement and damnation? I think the reason has to be, some people want behavior that is just like that and to call it acceptable and righteous to act in such a manner. It is because of that Janes and Jambres quote. They know the truth and deliberately want to oppose and poison it. They want to have it that way because it is easier for them to justify whatever it is they want to do. Then, they turn around and call it freedom. For them it is freedom to commit any evil act or deed or words, that they are inspired to do and say. ) That is why they have to treat other people who are honorable as tho they are a cheap insult, and direct the worst stories about them they can find. It is also why I think, somepeople just love picking up gossip rag articles and magazines. They somehow feel empowered if, they can rant on and on about other peoples misfortunes. (The reason I tell you this story is that the person I am talking about, lives in my own community. And I have never seen one person, just one, who operates precisely like that pretty much 24/7; only taking a day off from it when there is some value that the person can suck out of you. Now, obviously, I know that this person is NOT Lucifer. But the person has Luciferian like qualities. Which is why I told the story and I thought it was relevant.) I think it is very unusual, that, if your paying attention really close, you can find things in one person, one single person, that you cannot find in anyone else on the planet. And then there is the type of people that are indescribably evil. (Thank God these type are far and few on the in between.) These type want to buddy up to people that are good, so that they can repeat themselves. Then, you can’t have any plyable reason as too why you would NOT want such a person around you. Because, they buddied up too you, your not suppose to have one reason, none at all, that you should not want such a person around you ever. It’s because of all the good and nice things they said about you and did for you. These are the worst sort imaginable, you almost need lysol and turpentine to get them off and away. Because if you should say or try to get them out and away, well now you look awful for it because of all the nice things they said and did for you. And then, they can run around and portray you as 100 percent evil just for leaving them out of, or not wanting them around, everything you are doing. And they make like, a deliberate attempt to do something really nice for you out in public, where everyone can see it. So that, they take away that option for you, to ever get them away from you. You become sick, and look sick, just for dismantling someone such as this. The truth is they never even wanted to be your friend, all they ever wanted was a backhanded approach to everything you ever owned or had. And when they get angry at you for it, they make sure everyone around knows about it at the worst times, you know, when your down on your luck and straw with everyone else. Then, they come with a paintbrush, as if too show others how awful and sick, you were to them all along. But in fairness to people who operate like that, they are actually not that hard to spot. They always have an excess interest into, what you are all about. They have that interest, so that they can separate you into two pieces, and run you with your own rhubarb. They have to make you like them, and the only way to do it is run your message and what you are about into a wall that is them. I mean, its evil no doubt to do this, but they justify the action of it, for there own sense of personal well fare and well being. It’s because they like to sit at the top of EVERYTHING, and they really don’t want to run the risk of not having the chance to do that over and over again. They don’t like to run the risk of it, because they know in their own inward core, that the things they like to do are just plain evil, and they don’t want to run the risk of not being able to repeat themselves. And they know that, left to themselves, that is precisely the way everyone else will see them. And they simply cannot or will not allow others to see them just like that, or having themselves revealed as Just So. They don’t like others seeing them as Just So, because when it happens they look to rotten for everyone else. Hence, and thus, all the masquerading and parading around about things that they are not about at all. The Oddball thing is, as Newscaster, Comedian and Sports Journalist Kieth Olberman would say, that the few people who do this can act 100 percent off the time look ignorant or unknowlegable that they are doing this at all. (No, I am not saying Kieth Olbermann is like this at all, Kieth is at times interesting, an eduaction and entertaining.) There are some things about Kieth that I really like, other things I don’t like at all. But whatever the case, Kieth is a basketfull of effort, trying and entertainment, for which I really enjoy watching him from time to time. Kieth is kind of like one of the most amusingly annoying newcasters ever. And I think even people of different political stripe would have to admit, ( even if they can’t stand the guy) that at least that is true about Kieth. I mean, where else in the world can you find, THE WORST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, repeating themselves and seemingly always only to be found in America. Only a person who has a twisted sense of humor, could possibly find some value in all of that. To understand Olbermann, you kind of have to drill a hole in your own head and laugh and certainly hope, at all the awful things some people could not possibly be. My own personal favorite was when Kieth and Ann Colther got into it over Kieths Old McDonald’s Cornell degree. I mean, Keith just couldn’t possibly fathom that day. Annie made his worst person of the world list, just for that. It was hysterical because, I think Keith kind of knows deep down inside, he was deserving for all the rubs he sends out to the right all the time. Annie can positively punish someone, by putting them in there own soup at the right time. The funny thing about Olblermann is , I think he kind of likes it that way, because he does have a capacity to see himself in his own vanity. Keith is always quit and quick enough to understand the shortcomings of his own rhetoric, which makes him Americans most loveable unlovely journalist. Ever Period. But wait a minute politics is serious serious serious business. Thats the other thing about Kieth, he never allows others on the right, to get so serious about things, that nobody cannot laugh at comical things in politics. And Kieth almost never does it to a level where he demolishes somebody, because the people he is usually picking on, are people who are thought of as well esteemed and established type of people. He just roughly balances things out so that left and right can have a better day. And how can you not like a guy, for simply doing that. But is it painful for those on the right? Well sure it is, but not anymore painful than sitting through a Bill Orielly sermon with Dennis Miller making amusing jokes on things like health care, as if health care were something less deserving of people’s attention than the War in Afganistan. Miller, actually stands around and makes jokes about health care, by abusing the priority of the message. Saying things like, don’t you think its time for everybody to get back talking about the really meaningful subjects all Americans think night and day about, you know like the war in Afganistan. Its just so amusing, to see a man, who could possibly think someone who is dying of a sickness priorities are all mixed up, because instead of thinking about how he is going to pay for his health benefits, he should be thinking about self sacrifice and how much better off everyone would be if he simply could get that through his thick skull. Only a man, like Dennis Miller, who has never had to understand an once of someone else’s pain and suffering, could possibly think just like that. I mean if you want to devalue somebody like Olbermann, all you have to do in order not to think that way, is have a flashback on what Bill O”Rielly and Dennis Miller are conjuring up. And the goofy thing is, hardly anyone really thinks that Orielly and Miller are not deserving of the Kieths rhetoric. The odd and ugly thing is, Bill O’Rielly has pretty much told everybody that heathcare is DOA, dead on arrival. How is it exactly that a person can preach the result before the message has any chance at all? Talk about Oddball behavior that one creeps up the list for a day that can never be undone. Only on the Bill O”Rielly show, can one find the “probable results driven home”, before anyone has time to sack the message. Then, the message is just Orielly going on and on, spoon feeding everyone on why the result is so worthy of his message. Listening to Orielly drivel on, I am always forced to wonder why arrogance beyond reason is’nt just a suitable plum, it should be the name of his show. And here is my own Oddball situation: I don’t actually despise or have any particular need to have a chip on my shoulder against people like Dennis Miller and Bill Oreilly. I really don’t. I just can find any value or meaning in people, who have such little regard for people around them that they can possibly do things such as this. And I positively cannot understand why it is, that others can’t see all of this for what it really is, just a soap box and a yarn of unyielding behavior of those who possess almost no prinicipals when it comes to somebody else. I mean if you can’t find a reason why it is somebody who is sick and dying needs help, chances are you probably don’t have a clue about what the word HELP is all about. Of course, it goes without saying that, I probably wouldn’t have such disrepect for what we call a helping medical system, if I hadn’t been around people who have been sick and in need pretty much all of my life. And you certainly don’t need to start and finish with people like Miller and Orielly to have a clue on that. All you have to do is have a critical situation around yourself of someone who is sick and dying, to understand that the word HELP only comes in large doses for those who have a really large mosquito net of something called DOLLARS to get it all right. And I just can’t find enough DOLLARS ever, enough to fit the word HELP. (And sick people who are really honest with themselves, and who were NOT among the priveledged few, could not possibly see it any way else.) (Then, people like Oreilly have a squak box full of people who were sick, to tell everyone how good and deserving we all are of the health and medical services industry. It’s grand don’t you get it? Conviently they leave off the podium in utter silence about everybody else, who ever got sacked and pillaged with a sickness. Then the message runs down Oriellys face and your pretty much left for stupid if you don’t get it, because everybody pretty much must know, it could NEVER BE ANYTHING ELSE) Which pretty much descibes the heath care crisis for what it is. The health care crises is a crises because there never is enough DOLLARS to go around for people who say there helping others. So much for the Mother Teresa societies of the former forgotten hospitals who were dissolved by Ronnie Reaganomics. The term helping in health care pretty much went out the window at the same time all the hospitals were businessized and corporatized. Niether is there much chance for any significant change, the new corporate hospitals are pretty much in everybodies 401K’s and retirement plans. Pretty tough day when in order to improve, one has to dissolve there own financial net worth. Keith Olbermann possess a real unusual attribute. While Keith almost never apologizes, you kind of sense in Keith a willingness to apologize if he ever hurt or did anything wrong. But Keith never does apologize because he realizes it is a one way ticket to oblivion. Keith Olbermann is a man, who my own political views are so very very different then him. Yet I have really never watched a journalist who I disagree with more, yet like as much as him. It’s about the fact that Keith is pretty much a genuine human being, before he is a political pundit. I really don’t think Keith sees political vice as a cure all for what is crunching down in our country. I think Keith knows its about values and being caring that make a difference. Then, too, there are those Olbermann like moments, where Kieth stands in rare air above all the competition. Its because the man has a passion for what he believes in. No person, cannot say enough good about someone behaving along lines like that. For all that the guy genuinely has my admiration. All though I am not sure, I kinda think people like Keith know that everything is pretty much lopsided, and not going to get cured anytime soon. It’s the sort of sack of things that drive well intended people like Keith and others, right up the wall, over the edge, because they simply do no know how to survive in an environment like that. And if I am right about all that? Well, then those are the hard times when wether one is a Republican or Democrat is 100 percent, useless in finding solutions. More importantly is that people that are good Democrats and good Republicans find ways and means to join hands along common goals and values all people share. I really think that Keith understands all that, about as much as his biggest arch rival Rush Limblaugh. It’s sort of Kieth’s undoing that, he really doesn’t have anyone around him, I think, to stand behind and hold him up, so that he can do and say all the things he always wanted to do and say. Olbermann is a very very powerful person these days. He is powerful because he is so very very well liked. The problem Keith has, I think, is that he is liked for all the wrong reasons. Keith is liked because of his die hard support of every liberal cause. (It’s also the one (liberal causes) that Keith can never screw up on or he will be gone gone gone down the road.) (Kind of like how Mike Huckabee is liked in the south for all his conservative views) Keith should be liked because he is warm, caring and a considerate and hysterically talented journalist. IMO, Keith really understands all of this, and the limitations of his own popularity. One cannot just run someone like Olbermann and Huckabee off the planet, they will come back to resurface somewhere else. Which, at least I think, make people like Olbermann and Huckabee so very very dangerous to those who don’t want anything different. Other than spewing news and facts, the hysterical thing about Keith is, he is actually a pretty useless soul, unless he is trying to aggravate someone. And in politics, I absolutely don’t see anything wrong with that. There is nothing wrong about it because in politics it’s the only way somebody can move something along. Without something to contest, there can be no victors, not much of anything moving at all. It certainly provides or gives me no sense of personal satisfaction to bring all this stuff up. I mean, why on earth I would want to bring up things that only cause more hostility towards myself is just plain and simply self demeaning. I do it because I have nothing left in life to prove for my own sense of personal satisfaction and self worth. That is about all you have left when you have been an alley cat living in an alley most of your life. They took away my own stock funds for crying out loud, took about 38 percent of them for personal spite. They took em away all because I have a bite to match my bark. But what the hey, its not like anyother big shot hustler was ever out to do one kind thing for an alley cat like myself. People like that, they pretty much got an angle on people like me before I even have so much as one bark. But bigshot hustlers do have a barn ful of doggie bones they can throw at anyone else. And at least others got the doggie bone, which is more than I can say they ever intended for an alley cat like myself. But people like me, I am pretty much just considered drivel, you know, ranting, angry and lacking integrity and so forth. They pretty much paint people like me up like that, so that, my bark can never match my bite. It sort makes people like me look toothless, just for trying. A toothless, uncaring ranter, that will get someone like myself off the list of anything I could possibly say or do, which could conceivably be construed to have any meaning or benefit whatsoever to anyone else. This pretty much sums up my JUST SO business, if everything with somebody isn’t JUST SO, well then I am pretty much in business all day long. I think I have discussed enough, how sick and twisted minds operate for a LIFETIME. You know, the type that II Timothy 3:8 talks about, “those that resist the truth, men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.” For me this is pretty much THE END of the subject matter. When you have to think through the hodgepodge of how really twisted minds operate, if you do it for too long you get sick yourself. My wife has taken me too divorce court at least 3 times. We are still married although live apart. I told my divorce lawyer one time, that I thought he should practice some other type of law from time to time. The reason I gave him was that I told him I thought he would get sick after a while, listening to all the twisted stories that people told him. He hardly batted an eye lash. But he did say he practiced other type of law from time to time. No doubt, I can see why. A person can’t think through all of peoples nightmarish stories, without developing after awhile an abnormal way in which you view others. Perhaps this is why so many things God allows to remain in peoples closets. Looking at the back end of a toilet stool all day long isnt healthy for anyone. I am really not all that much concerned about Lucifer anymore. He was pretty much beaten upand down at Calvary. That is what the bible says. That is because Lucifer is pretty much about cause and effect. You do something and to someone like Lucifer that is the cause, and the effect is someone like Lucifer undoing what you did. So that, Lucifer is pretty much nuetralized by himself in all his own wayward dealings. So that, I really don’t worry much anymore about what Lucifer is up to planning and doing. In that, I pretty much just hope Lucifer will just settle down and in, and try to have a better day at being considerate and reasonable himself. That is pretty much all one has to do with Lucifer, make him honest with others and himself. Problem is, he never likes doing that at all, it doesn’t fit with his own self absorbed sense of who he has to unseat and overcome. But since I can’t change Lucifer, I just have to let Lucifer be Lucifer. There is no reason to try and change Lucifer, Lucifer is pretty much his own worst enemy. That is the sad reality of it, that Lucifer cannot even see the error of his own ways. Nor does he want to change, because he likes being and doing what it is, he does. This is all pretty much sums up the sad and sick and twisted reality of mostly any involvement with Lucifer. Not the type of stuff, people like me like to stand around and gloat about. Basically, and in a nutshell, Lucifer is just very very very angry at me about one thing. That one thing is to have me be about something that I am not about. All of this idiotic stink, over just that one thing. I cannot be someone, who I am not. It’s sort of like, trying to knock out yourself if you try to do something to get someone elses approval. I just can’t be like that, don’t want too, hope I never will be. The goofy strange thing is that is how hostility always happens over something one person considers important and the other person considers vain. It’s a shame really, because others should just leave others alone if they have disagreements on prinicipal on any single matter, and seek to resolve things in peaceful ways. Its simply not any of there business, you know, to do it any other way. It’s like the law too, you know, both God’s law (the Bible) and the law in the United States. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of privacy. There is no reason to go on in length beyond that. All of this is pretty much the only thing I have left to say. I don’t have, neither does there exist a Luciferian Library from which to prove things on an ongoing basis. It simply doesn’t exist, at least not yet and thank the Lord Almighty for that. So that, maybe you guys can just cut me a little slack on having to make me prove myself on a point by point basis. Furthermore, nobody can really do that in some things they are doing. . Its just too much to make someone prove everything they say on a point by point counterstroke argument. Furthermore, evil diabolical people are notorious for doing things underhandedly so that it makes doing stuff like that all but impossible. There is just too much lies and smoke and mirrors in the air, to make stuff like that remotely achievable with some people. I certainly am not proud of, nor happy about some of the places in life where I have been, to sit and see what it is others are doing, or what some evil men around me have said and done. If that makes understanding this paragraph easier, then, well, I guess that is a very good thing. I guess life would simply be so much easier if, nobody had to sit and sift and sort through other peoples stuff, in order to see what others have said and done. It certainly isnt a job that I would want to have as an occupation going on for ever and ever. Unfortunately, however, for most of us, that just isnt reality. There is times we have to do it, and better times when we don’t. So for me personally I look for those better times, you know, when it never has to be done again because everything is fixed by God Almighty in his kingdom for ever and a day. A person cannot be hospitable about other peoples evil. You can’t because if you are, you never can get rid of, or get the evil out of your own house and living quarters. I mean you can’t entertain it or it wont leave. Evil doesn’t develop a pair of legs and walk away. It doesn’t because evil preys on good and descent things. Without good and descent things, there would be no such thing as evil. Evil simply wouldn’t have a reason for the effort if it didn’t have something to prey upon. That is in fact why it is called evil, things are evil because they oppose things that are good. You know the kind of things that healthy normal people consider to be correct and right as a matter of viewpoint or understanding. The thing is that sometimes things that are considered good are upsurped because people who are evil think they have a better and brighter picture, of how things should be done. The fact is they don’t’ and for some of them they never will. They wont because of there own unsatisfactory sense, of what is good, descent and right. The fact that some people would have it that way, some in the 60's tried to portray as really out of sight.. Its out of sight because they can never get there, no matter how hard they try to invent and re twist there own petty wheel. The fact that they will never get there, it isn’t groovy baby, its pathetic and boring and disinteresting and full of holes and lost lives. Pretty simple stuff really. (But mwaaa? About all somebody such as myself serves in the mind of somebody Luciferian like, is too think about me in terms of ‘ better safe than sorry.’ You know, the type of people who sort of feel that the mere fact they have to displeasure themselves with the thought of you, is about all the aggravation they are willing to put with in life Sadly, people like that, feel that they should be honored for the inconvience. I mean, how would you like to feel that you have that much lack of value, to someone else? Its not a husky bunch of stuff, I like doing cartwheels over, in measuring my own inconveince and lack of plyable worth.) AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT I WANT YOU TO HEAR. The odd and ugly reality of it, is that some people can find them selves agreeing with a Luciferian person just like that. Why? Well, thats an easy one. For there own gain, personal pleasure and satisfaction, and that fact they are not amused at the inconveince that is someone like me either. For somepeople others serve no good purpose, other than to what they can strain, weasel and conive out of them. It’s actually pretty standard stuff, in the reality of what life is and shouldn’t be. Pretty standard biblical stuff too really. Otherwise, the bible simply wouldn’t have a concept called coveteousness and another one called fornication and adultry. Coveteousness, always has been, pretty much the basis on which all evil acts come together and occur. And that holds true wether somebody is coveting your money, life, wife, land anything that belongs too you. Some people just are not content, don’t you see, with things that belong to them and that they can call there own. They have to be in everybody elses breakfast lunch and dinner. Actually they have to be everybody elses breakfast lunch and dinner too. Your nothing more than a by line to people who operate just like that. Ahh, anyway, Invisible Dan so much for my lessons and messaging. As I know you probably are aware, I think I am about as interested in what I have to say as pretty much everybody else, which isnt very much, so time to move on. If only I could quantify the value of my own self, maybe I could actually have some rest about it all. Small houses for boring disinteresting tasteless people like myself, sounds about right on target, at least for most. At least laughter is good for my own sometimes self indulging sense of worth, and feels better than being in my own soup all the time. Bon Appetite! But offending peoples sensibilities is something I am uncomfortable with, because I simply havent done it a lot before. It is much more comforting to drive down the middle of the road, pick what you like from left and right and move forward. Also, I feel that I am sounding way too Dennis Miller like, you know, causing whiplash for anyone who won’t drool over things i utter. Niether, do I have a hip hip horrah society standing behind me like Miller, so that when I drone on and on I could be viewed as anything other than spewing trash. Tragic kind of, HEY where did all the hippies go, they were never hard to please! Too bad really they don’t even exist anymore. Becoming a grownup will do that for you, you know, make a regular person out of someone. You know Dan, I almost never get involved in or mettle with other people’s business. If I do things just like that, well then I can keep myself safe, and out of other peoples wrath and venting so to speak. Rather, I mostly just pirate somebody elses car, and drive it into someone elses. And I do that sometimes because its the only way other people can see what a mess of a life everybody is in. Besides that, if I didn’t, well then I wouldn’t feel that I have any value worth pointing out any time at all or period. So when I run out of things to do, I pretty much like to do that all day long. It wears you down tho after a while, because a lot of people don’t appreciate having to have to deal with themselves in any way shape or form that is necessary. I mean, there is no appreciation, as in hardly none for doing stuff just like that. Its not mischeivous to do that stuff, its just deplorable for some that they have to think about what it is they are actually doing. I also am sorry to you for being long winded, but I kinda gotta started and didnt know where to drop of the pen. If you made it this far, you will probably get a good nights sleep tonight. Somethings are just better off said in rhyme and song. Why? I think that is because when its done that way it doesn’t sound as boringly cheap as it otherwise sounds. You know, what you have to say, doesn’t sound as disheartening when you can shift and dance about it some. Furthermore, somethings just cannot be reasonably well explained, in fact and with figures. That’s because things are laced with emotion, feeling, and hurt, things hard to describe otherwise. Thus a song for just that occasion:

To the respondents: There was a 1972 Movie called Lucifer Rising although I never saw it and don’t know what that is about. I thought I heard they were going to do a remake or completely different film, with same title. Well that might be one possible explanation, it’s certainly not the best.

Certainly everyone has heard the term Lucifer, and knows that Lucifer is part of Satans or the Devils kingdom. I thought it would be interesting to just write down, in descriptive form, just exactly what Lucifer’s methods are. I will take a try at it. Lucifer kind of works like this: Here is an illustration, just kind of for examples sake. A lot of people have heard the terms, “somebody has to do something about that person” Lucifer actually doesn’t like that term, he doesn’t because he is the one doing something about that person all the time and he really doesn’t want you to know it. So lets just go back to talking about that person. Let’s say that person is enough of a problem that a lot of people agree somebody does have to do something about it. Lucifer loves that, it’s the only time he can shine is when a lot of people agree. So suppose Lucifer and others say, well, maybe he should go see a Doctor. Now Lucifer has really got that person nailed to the wall and that person is done finished and washed up. Why? You see, after this most people will say about that person, Well he is getting some help and getting better. Lucifer? Not ever will he go that route. It’s now his second pitch to drill the person not on going to the Doctor but painting the person up as a Wack Job, Insane Crazy Nut. With Lucifer, there never is any such thing as mercy. He doesn’t see people progressing, he sees everyone as deminishing for his own personal bank of people. Then Lucifer can use the Lingo, to run the person all around. Why? Because that is pretty much all the Department of Iniquity does all the time. So, anyways, when you see how Lucifer operates, your better prepared to defend yourself. So, how would a person defend himself against such an attack. What you have to do, is see a Doctor, so that you can wear Doctor shirt around when Lucifer shows up, and not let Lucifer make you feel deminished about it. From that example, you can easily see what Lucifer does. Lucifer pits two opposing principals against each other, to run his victim off the road. The two prinicpals in this case were “somebody needs to get some help” vs. “when they get help they are a crazy nut wack job for doing it.” So you see, its easy, simple to understand Lucifers slime. Its like with Lucifer he pits an Ace against a King, and stands them on end to oppose each other, then he can run the show all the time. Here is the other thing that is interesting about how Lucifer operates. You probably heard the term Olivers Twist. Olivers twist, is kind of like an an acronym, for any person, of any unkind stripe who is trying to run other people around. Lets just use the term Oliver for anyone who is involved in any hard and tough business. You have kind of seen people who when they want to get something done they are kind of like a bulldog about it. And sometimes people have to bull dog people to get them to do, what they should do but won’t do. What Lucifer will do to a bulldog Oliver Twist kind of person, is get them to do EVERYTHING, right down to making someone shave a hair of the other persons face, for Lucifers own personal satisfaction. You see, Lucifer will have like a carrot stick in front of the Olivers Twist bulldog kind of guy, to get the bulldog guy to do his dirty work for him. Then, if he can get the Olivers Twist kind of guy to be bulldog to drive CRAZY nuts someone Lucifer hates, well then he will give the reward or carrot to the Olivers Twist bulldog guy. Here is the crazy thing. You wanna know who suffers the most when Lucifer is acting like this? Mostly the Olivers Twist kind of bull dog guy or person. That’s because the person that the Olivers Twist kind of guy has diminished or damaged, gets upset at what is going on and responds in kind. Sometimes the people that the Olivers Twist kind of guy affected, will do damaging things back to the Olivers Twist kind of guy. They do it because they are angry and bitter that somebody was mean to them. And this is kind of the crazy wacky world of Lucifer, and how he damages, diminshes and destroys everything about people around him. One can employ the principals listed above, and actually make a full time job out of it. That is just what the Department of Iniquity is like whose head and figure behind it is Lucifer. And the crazy wacky thing is, you never see Lucifer doing any of it, he is like a shadow on the wall of people he uses to litter others. Then when he’s done with the people, he uses them for litter in a garbage can. You say well how does one break the viscious cycle and get it stopped. There is only one way, you have to stand firm in everything you believe. And you have to allow yourself to be damaged and deminished sometimes by other people that Lucifer is employing. Because if you don’t, you kind of fall into Lucifers spite trap, where you start inflicting others around you who have harmed you. You have to tell people to mind there own business. You have to tell people they are not allowed to interfere in your personal affairs. And you absolutely MUST insist, that when you done, nobody else anywhere has a right to diminish or degrade your life because you did. It’s interesting that Lucifer, kind of divided people into two groups. One group being a group of people that will run around and hurt others for Lucifer and there own personal satisfaction. The other group a group of people who have integrity, honor and courage against the odds of suffering even if they do. It’s like dividing the sheep from the wolves so to speak. You have to also understand that Lucifer parades around as an angel of light. He makes people think they are right and correct for doing his dirty business. It would not be surprising for Lucifer to actually parade around as a person who is saved and such. It’s give him more levers and brakes to do all his evil. You have to understand that Lucifer in the bible is actually called the Morning Star. When the sun comes up he is the first star that you see. What would it feel like if you were attacked by a Lucifer attack. You would feel at once, all at once full of fear and intimidated. Your full of fear because you feel you might lose something, the worst case being everything you have. Most people have heard of the disease of polio. When polio strikes it paralyzes the central nervous system, much like a cobra’s venom paralyzes its victim so they cant move. Same thing when you get hit by a Lucifer like attack. Your so full of fear you can hardly walk or move. And the worst part about it is, then people panic and do things they are not accustomed to doing. You know like harming other people including yourself. And then the people around are in Lucifers soup all day long, because Lucifer has more damaging things to throw at them. This is the type of stuff that actually causes people to become mentally ill. People start running around damaging and demishing other people, for very little benefit or effect. And you have to break the cycle, you have to break it at all expense because if you don’t those around you will start becoming sick. It’s the reason, someone like Lucifer wanted someone to go see a Doctor in the first place, so he can have some more levers and brakes for personal power. When under a Luciferian type of attack, you have to be direct and to the point but never cross. You have to be willing to suffer some loss with a reasonable amount of indignation. You have to push back the greed and Luciferian maneouving, with stating the facts and the circumstances around you with reasoned mercy and kindness. Without that, Lucifer would be running the show all the time. You have to be willing to lift up those around you that have been deminished by a Luciferian attack. And you have to be willing to let those people who have done awful deeds themselves, become deminished themselves in others eyes, by exposing them. And you have to do it at all costs to ones self. If you don’t you just get caught off guard and up in the Luciferian wickedness. There is one great big benefit of fighting a Luciferian type of an attack. You feel warm, and wholesome, as tho you were wearing a turtle neck shirt or sweater around your neck. You feel that way because you have stood up for people who were about to be taken advantage of deminished and used. From that standpoint, you just feel really warm and considerate and refreshing. Here is another one of Lucifer’s tricks of employment. Lucifer plays words against each other. Take two phrases like this: We care so that we are free. We are free because we care. Lucifier is so cunning that he will demand that one have both phrases to satisfy his hidden agenda. So that, if the first phrase was missing Lucifer would say “there wasn’t enough caring that is why people were not free and he Lucifer is blameless for his actions. And if the second phrase was missing Lucifer would say well, people just didn’t care enough so that freedom wasn’t good enough so he Lucifer is blameless again. Lucifer can basically get out of everything he does by playing cheap word card tricks like that. Lucifer is so evil, he can develop an ideology out of missing statments for everything he does. So how does one get out of these word games? Well you have to get out of the gymnastics and the theatrics of the word games. And you have to guard against giving Lucifer what he really wants which is more time to replot and redeploy. You see, Lucifer will almost always attack again given enough time. Time off from performing evil tricks to Lucifer is giving him mercy. He never takes a second angle to change himself. Lucifer is basically incapable of changing. This is because the most important thing to Lucifer is too vaunt himself. Lucifer demands respect, attention and personal adoration by everyone around. Lucifer becomes most upset when nobody will give him that. And that is when he starts replanning and redeploying to attack all over again. Lucifer is 100 percent shameless about everything he ever did. He doesn’t have to have shame because most of his acts are performed in his mind by somebody else. It’s others fault around them that stirs his drink all day long. Lucifer can actually be dismantled (temporarily) with a single act. All he has to do is be confronted about being wrong with approbriate reasoning and he is gone. Then, Lucifer will provide his poisonous reasoning for his defense. Lucifer’s poisonous reasoning is that he never did anything, because mostly others did his work. Then, he will stand and blame those that did his deeds. What he is actually doing is redeploying and reshuffling his deck, and he must put more pressure now on anyone that confronted him, so that they will never confront him again. That’s how evil Lucifer is, he just never never calls it quit. If Lucifer were to quit his job, he would just be redploying his tactics under an new name tag. Lucifer always flourishes the best, when some people want something done about that person over there. It’s like he fills the void, to enable the power vacuum for himself. Then, he has got all those people on his side, who wanted something done about that person over there. When a person puts Lucifer in there passenger seat, its like having a great big 88 millimeter canon at your disposal. That’s why some people love Lucifer. They love him because he’s a drink that can fix up anyone who disagrees with someone such as themselves. People that actually love other people don’t care about Lucifer or want him around at all. The because only people that are greedy to damage other people want Lucifer around at all. Lucifer becomes 100 percent unmotivated and inactive, when people don’t have any quarells with somebody else. Lucifer becomes 100 percent powerless in the absence of war, and quarells because it is the source of his power. Peoples anger at others, disagreements are the things that Lucifer is about settling. The is no reason for Lucifer to even act when there is 100 percent peace, which is why obviously Lucifer can’t stand the sight of God, Jesus Christ and heaven. Lucifer has to have a war against it to tear it down, because it enables him with the powerful punch for his drink with others. The only reason some people want Lucifer around, is that they absolutely want the same as Lucifer does. In the end, Lucifer’s only possible way of escaping hell is to admit that he lied. But he only admits his lies so that he can redeploy. Because there is no reason that Lucifer should be interested in the things of God anyway. He never is. He never is serious about those type of things. What he is mostly serious about is reinacting and reinventing himself, to thrive in the presence of others all over again. It’s kind of Lucifers twisted crook, that he cannot have any esteem about himself, without trying to have EVERYTHING in what he does. He is not content, in the peaceful good things of God. Thats why Lucifer will say, Gee well, I didn’t understand this and understand that or that would have been done. He has to diminish his own understanding of what is good and evil, in order to redeploy and buy himself more powerful capacity. Looking into Lucifer’s mind is like looking into the most sick twisted and demented of a mind, which is hell bent on destruction. So to sum up things, when Lucifer is around you have to look out for clever maneouvring, in people around you, and asking yourself why a person you have known is acting strangely. That is the type of smell that is in the air when Lucifer is sprung into action. Other people, may start acting in strange ways based upon a Luciferian threat. Lucifer actually could become so full of evil and hate that he couldn’t stand up. That would happen when somebody has knocked Lucifer out with a punch. His evil and hatred become so immense that he must indignify himself into a place which is pleading for mercy with others. Then, he would become like the greatest armchair quarter back ever for others. When the chips are down for “Lucifer” he has to play the “friend” routine, to get his evil and savage act back on the road. Then, eventually, all the power from those Lucifer befriended will shift alltogether back to Lucifer again. That’s also why when somebody has knocked Lucifer down with a punch, the person will look somewhat like a savage for doing it. They look like that, because Lucifer has painted them into a dark corner, before the punch was ever delivered. In times such as this, Lucifer will actually stand around having other people, bark his bite. He will have his twisted freinds say, oh my that was such a horrible and awful thing you did to this poor wonderful kind man. Lucifer will always get a portrait like this from someone, when he has been backed down. It’s like look what so and so did to poor ole Lucifer. Lucifer is like the worlds best whiner, when confronted about anything. Lucifer whines so that he doesn’t have to accept consequences for all his evil malicious acts. Lucifer is like “embarassed” by the facts of his own lies. Why? Because he always had somebody else to blame for the evil act. You say well what the best way to keep Lucifer away? The best way is for other people to stay out of other peoples business. The best way is for people everywhere to be honest in there dealings. When people are honest, peaceful and not in other peoples business with greed, Lucifer is dismantled before anything ever starts. Its only when a person wants “perks” has greed over another mans business that Lucifer has any chance at all. It’s sort of sad in the end that somebody like Lucifer is always the biggest loser of them all. Why? Because he never cultivates ANYTHING of intrinsic worth for himself. There is no values which are upheld which have the remotest of chance of surviving. That’s because Lucifer hasn’t one ounce as in NONE, when it comes to doing things based upon virtue. This is why Lucifer is so hell bent on possesing other peoples things in the absence of anything to do. He has to possess other peoples things, because it provides him with some sense of having or possessing virtue. It, as in other peoples things, vices and purpose for living, provide Lucifer with his inward sense of self worth and esteem. Possessing the things of power provide Lucifer with his best and most nobly appreciated by others esteem. These things are 100 percent all important to him, even more important than money and cash. Which is why with Lucifer, money is thrown around like used paper. Money to Lucifer is nothing more than a target for another day. It’s sort of like the worst thing you can say about somebody, that there money has to be tossed everywhere to provide them with a sense of self esteem. That is Lucifer all day long. Then when he is done, he treats everyone he has given money too like a pauper, to humble them, and get himself back up on his throne. If Lucifer ever, gave one thing too you such as money, he will make you feel quilty for it all day long. He does it too continue his pattern of control. The same thing applies with jobs. If Lucifer gave somebody a job? He would want that person to be his servant forever. Including gratutious sex. Lucifer makes no bones about the fact, that getting something back for what he has doled out is what he is all about. So if you ever get a job or money which slipped through Lucifer’s hand here is what you have to do. When Lucifer makes you feel remorse and that you owe him something back, you have to tell him right flat out, “Damn right I deserve it, and you Lucifer don’t have one nickel of anything you can do about it. That’s because if Lucifer could, he would rob and steal from you anything at anytime. So you have to let him know, exactly what the stat column is, before he even starts. All of this explains why Lucifer is so brief and abrupt. One cannot even get so much as a statement or a slide show in when Lucifer is around. That is because Lucifer cannot deal with the concept of the particulars, they are too damaging to him when they are discussed. So Lucifer must control the apparatus of propaganda for whatever he is doing. Lucifer is hell bent on forcing awful information down peoples throats and he does it in a real silky smooth way. With handouts and a grin about what HE Lucifer is going to discuss and control the information flow in any conversation. Somebody like Obama, could just absolutely beat the crap out of a whole bunch of people, when Lucifer is around. That’s because Obama flows in unstable and turbulent waters. It’s impossible to do as Jesus Christ said, turn the other cheek for too long when Lucifer is around. In fact, that is why the horrible crucifiction of Jesus was done in such a noble and stately way, with Governors and Leaders looking on. Jesus turned the other cheek and that is what Lucifer orcherstrated for Christ. And then after that, the blood of Jesus Christ, Lucifer acts like it is his guiding light. And he uses it, the blood of Christ, to redeploy and get other goodies for other people all over again. Such is the horrendous nature of Lucifer, no respect, absolutely none, for anything that has value and worth. You can’t even get so much as an ounce, of appreciation and respect for things that are good and wholesome, when Lucifer is around. That’s because Lucifer is controlling all the time, the mechanics of a persons own mind. One is forced to lose there reason, for what they are doing. When one is forced to lose your reason for what you are doing, then the virtuous reasons for whatever you are doing dissappears. And that is precisely why, virtue and respect for things completely disappears around Lucifer. You wanna know what Lucifer’s plan is for the Lamb’s book of life in the book of Revelation? He wants to turn it into a phone book. You see, this is how Lucifer empowers himself. He empowers himself by causing a halt to anything that is called of God to be justice. Lucifer’s main job is too subvert justice. You say well how does it do that? He does it because Lucifer makes sure that evil people who like to do awful bad things, don’t have to pay a fair and reasonable price for there actions. So you see, people who do evil deeds or bad things, they kinda really love ole Lucifer. They love him because they don’t have to be accountable in a responsible way for anything they do. And even people that are good, can like Lucifer a little bit. And the little bit that they like is the little bit of evil that is in them. They like that little bit, because they think somehow that will let them catch a better break with God. But that is not what the bible says, the bible says that any goodness in us, is particularily found and strenthened because of the grace of God. Without that grace, people who we consider good men, aren’t good at all, they can be found to be evil in a heart beat. You know how they refer to people as high maintenance in terms of characteristics? Lucifer is like one of the most high maintenance people ever, he has to be, it’s his quirk, quick and quiver for his evil act. As far as I go, I am just a farm boy from northern Minnesota, that is what you call very low maintenance. You can understand a lot about people in what it takes to maintain them. Certainly some people have to have large budgets for maintenance, you know, people who are well known for security and such. But Lucifers evil act requires such high maintenance so that others can relish in his self imposed control, without worrying about the particulars. You don’t worry about the particulars because Lucifer tries to outshine people in the spectacular game. Lucifer is a rock and roll show, with shiny boot clicking servants at his every beck and call. I mean, this is exactly what one would expect from the Devil and Satan. Lucifer actually isnt that hard to defeat, but you have to have enough people, willing to stand up against Lucifer’s poverty of lies. During those times, however, things can get down right totally off the wall and wicked. When Lucifer is losing his battles he pulls out all the stops. Things like putting other people in other peoples shoes, and making people unwilling spokes people for Lucifer. Lucifer does that because he can’t bear the thought of honest saintly like people opposing him. That is because Lucifer’s foundation for his house is nothing but a house of cards. When somebody starts playing with that foundation, Lucifer becomes unglued. Lucifer simply can’t be held together when his works are exposed, there is nothing left but a life of a lie. Lucifer is like the most indignant creature of all times. His dignity cannot be questioned, it is his source of power and elitism. This is why when Lucifer is offended, he can become very very dangerous, like scary dangerous. He could do like really really weird things, you know like chewing on his finger and stuff, because he has to rob the attention basket of others, to motivate the troops. Thats because once the attention focus is off of him, there is nothing left, just a giant vacuum. Lucifer is that big of a screwball that as long as there is something left to go for, he will have something to throw. The one thing that there is not much of anything around when the sting of Lucifer is in the air is hope. There no hope because there is too much contention and strife, for people to hope for better things. No one can really shine for any extended period of time, when Lucifer is around. It’s because of how he puts two good principals together, to compete against each other in an unwholesome way. Take for example two good principals, peace and honesty. Lucifer can make peace and honesty compete, to diminish what one person is particularily about or trying to uphold, by questioning honesty for the sake of peace. He does it by getting a person to keep his mouth shut about what is the truth to keep the peace. You know , the old saying, what you don’t know can’t hurt you. But the long term problem with that is that while you may have kept things peaceful for another day, Lucifer now has another angle on the person who kept his mouth shut. Lucifer down the road can EXPLAIN, his own actions away because somebody kept there mouth shut, as in, that is why others didn’t know the truth. And it is damaging to get dragged into these type of discussions, what does one uphold peace or honesty. It is also why some people can literally crack up under a Luciferian attack. They crack up because there is not a choice they can make that someone won’t blame them for. It is the phrase, your damned if you do and damned if you don’t to a tee. And after that you life doesn’t feel like it has any pleading relevant value. It’s also why some people just flat out quit and give up. It’s like the day when you make a choice your best and only choice is simply to run away from yourself. There is nothing at that time, one can do to enhance life around them. It’s also why some people prefer to take there own life rather than keep it. A perfect illustration of the above is the Nazi holocaust in World War II. In some movies there have been like a sargent of some back water Nazi holding facility for transportation of those that were about to be exterminated. In some of the cases, the sargents and foot soldiers were carrying out orders for transportation. But then one day the allied forces move in, and in a single instant a blink of an eye, all these “ordinary” foot soldiers are confronted for everything they knew about but never did one thing about. At that precise instant, for some of these former Nazi foot soldiers, the pain was so great about what they didn’t do and how they didn’t act, they simply took a gun and put a bullet in there own head. Some of them were completely incapable of dealing with the facts both of what they should have done, and never did. During the holocaust, the ordinary Nazi foot soldier, RATIONALIZED with murder. They rationalized with it because it wasn’t them performing the act and they were only following orders. And if they didn’t follow the orders there own death could have been next. So you can see how skewed things like peace and honesty, can become in the context of a situation. Which is why people have to uphold things at all times things that have virtue and defend other peoples innocense, so that these awful situations are not allowed to appear, take hold and survive. The best choice in this life cannot be on the left or right of how others think and know you must act. The best choice in this life, has to be, simply you, and what you can provide in intrinsic worth in any situation. And you can not find that intrinsic worth, by being someone who does things based upon other peoples idea of what you should be. You just have to be what you can with the full force of trying to be righteous, because in nothing else can you matter. Here is a Lucifer Joke: How does a baggage handler and Lucifer if he was a baggage handler differ? Lucifer is the only baggage handler who when he handles others bags, changes the name tag on all the bags to read his own name. Or the Luciferian equation which would be: 2 plus 2 = Lucifer and not 4, because the number 4 is currently under embargo and boycott of other people and supervision of the United States Government. A good slogan for Lucifer would be: Your all gonna have to do the crime here today, because I don’t wanna neither am I willing to do the time. Lucifer has almost no care or concern, over the degree of anguish he can inflict. He doesn’t because anguish is a tool in the fear Lucifer instills in people. The anguish is the stripping and the motivating criteria, by which all things are measured for Lucifer. The more anguish Lucifer can inflict, the more it stands to reason he will triumph and get his way. This is why a Luciferian attack is one of the worst sort and most unimaginable kinds of evil when the attack is vented. People are forced, against there own rhyme and reason, to do and say things they wouldnt otherwise do. There forced to do something because if they don’t Lucifer will make the pain and anguish grow. But the most horrifying and cruel evil thing about Lucifer, is that, he never really develops his own handicap. He doesn’t because somebody would blame him for it if he used it. Remember the illustration of a weird person going to see a Doctor for his wierdness and then Lucifer blaming the person for getting his own help? When on the prowl Lucifer would never push somebody to go see a Doctor on his own. Besides that its just too much stinking work for Lucifer and he would sound too concerned. What he would do is wait until the person went to see the Doctor and then picked the pin or toothpick that gave him the best bone to chew with the person he wants to attack. That is why, you kinda have to spit on your own grave to beat Lucifer. You have too, because if you don’t, Lucifer will come back and say, Thats right this guy was worthless, I knew it all along. Lucifer does that sort of thing so that he can re-invogorate himself. Now Lucifer might actually respond differently than what has been spelled out here, but only because the light is on him enough that he HAS too, or else, he would look bad. This is all the horrible terrifying world of Lucifer, Satan’s sick servant. Another real sick trick of Lucifer is he likes to say about certain events well that was all a long long long long time ago. Thats because to Lucifer, things in the past have no relevant value going forward. If Lucifer is told he cant do something? Thats the one he always has to try. He has to try it because it helps him enpower himself in such a way where he can plant himself, in everybodies minds. I actually know the perfect pastor for somebody like Lucifer, that would be Charles Curtis, whereabout right now unknown. Charles is one of the most unusual people I have ever met, its as tho he was born to walk around on this planet with a mattress on his back. Not because he would sleep on it , I mean an upright position walking around with a mattress on his back. Why is that unusual ? Its unusual because the only rest and comfort this guy ever seems to exhibit is when he is acknowledged that his own speeches and plight, has more metal than anything you can possibly offer. That is because Charles, shares Lucifers love for levers of power steeped within there own rich unrepentant minds. They both share like this curious carefullness about WHO has the right to pull the levers of power, and the WHO is never somebody standing right in front of them. You can’t have any authority in any matter, when a pair of power lovers like that are standing around. There is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS, LIKE, this strange coniption fit, that there has to has to has to be another door or alternative then the one in front of them. There like its inconcievable that, something they want to do cannot get done. They always have to have another bag of goods to fight another day. It’s like they have this vision of the way things have to be, and to even suggest that it cannot go that way is enough stew for there own little private wars. They are both like the greatest buyers and beback buyers off all time. Then, when things fall apart and don’t work, well they got a stew full of reasons. They didn’t take and buy this, and the product didnt perform right and no body told them about that. So they have a right to start all there little private stews all over again. Its also the risk of warning about the GIFT of Salvation. It’s a gift and it should have a sign on it saying let the buyer beware, handle and use according to instructions. So anyway don’t get overly worked up when Lucifer is around. Lucifer never really bank rolls anyone anyway, because if he gives you something he always demands more than what he gave you was worth. And remember, you cant ever really joke or expect to be interpreted correctly when Lucifer is around. Like around Lucifer you could sign that song, Suicide is Painless, you know the famous tune from MASH, and Lucifer would run around and tell everyone that you suggested people should hang themselves. Lucifers interpetations of people are that bizarre and out of wack with reality. Lucifer doesn’t join words together in constructive patterns of interpetation. What he does is murder the English language in such a way to make others around him feel as if his intepetation of the words, is drawn as a fact. Lucifer has almost no regard, as it were, to interpet peoples sincerity. He doesnt like too because it slows him down. It also pushes what he is doing into areas such as mercy, kindness, love, things that basically give ole Lucifer a headache. He has to push vowels and consonants in weird wacky ways to disguise his misplaced and ill begot treasures. The problem is for ole Lucifer there isnt enough vowels in the day, you know to please him. You know vowels, things that make the English language work. He has too like hunt the English language to sabotage the day. Otherwise the day would creep away from him and sabotage his control. That is why Lucifer is like big big big, on explaining to you why you are wrong and he is right in every action. You know, if Lucifer’s control and power levers are seriously in jeopardy, he would act like he was shot out of a cannon. I mean, stinking Lucifer would be running so fast, he might literally run right out of his own pants. I wouldnt actually mind seeing it when it happened, but I would want to be 100 miles away so I wouldnt like get road burn or track marks over me. So anyway, if Lucifer ever becomes jeopardized, the term critical everywhere will reach new heights. Ole Lucifer running so fast he wouldnt have time to consider his every move. Thats the thing too if you wanna beat ole Lucifer? Well you gotta get him on the bounce, when he is running and flying and scratching his scalp and sprinkling it on peoples head like so much star dust. That would be quite a dance. But you have to remember when Lucifer is around, there is no such thing as good clean fun. Lucifer is sooooo serious about his quirk and quiver, he has to be, because otherwise his power mechanism falls apart.

Mr. Pmosh Thanks for the response. I understand what your saying. This is kind of difficult for me to explain. For example, before I came here to GS Café, my interest first was out of curiosity as to what old TWI were doing. I learned a lot. I learned what the damaging effects can be, not just of a belief in a failed set of religious principles can bring, but ALSO what belief in any type of system that uses control, and abuses people. I understand that you will see the above paragraph as somewhat patronizing. And I think I understand why. It has to do with the fact that ANYTIME someone elses views differ from someone else, PATRONIZING people is and has been used as part of the control process in some religious organizations or otherwise. I would not have learned that, had I not met you here. When I say patronizing, I mean that you view concern or statement of facts of what another person believes at times as patronizing. I have that same problem when I commuciate, but when I try to be direct, to the point with no concern, well then I feel aloof, conceited or rude. I think the only way that problem will ever be solved in communication is if the communicator is honest, sincere and truthful with themselves. And there is no easy way on earth, to know wether the person your talking to is actually that. (It’s kind of funny, I actually learned that last statement from Garth, when he threw me over the fence one time for stereotyping athiests. Only Garth could do that and get by with it with his TWI experience.) The point being, you are the only one, who I ever met who isolates that as a problem in communication. I guess the only other way I can illustrate it, is to say, congradulations on having a capability that few people have. I believe Mr Pmosh, that I possess the same amount of healthy scepticim as you do. The difference is, I got to where I got to, not so much through TWI, but through being myself a victim in other areas of life where I was abused. I think the nut is, Mr. Pmosh, and it hard to explain so I will just say it. TWI or Non TWI being a victim in any thing in life, makes people very very smart with an edge. The thing I always wanted to be able to say to you and Garth and some others, is that what this all means is that After TWI or After any other abusive system someone has been through, It’s a HUGE HUGE HUGE benefit in life, because nobody can hoodwink or pull the wool over your eyes again. And the hardest part is I do not know how to say that without sounding patronizing. That is why, I really think you guys under estimate the long term value, with God, of your experience. I have under estimated the value of my own sufferings through out my life. Then, I wake up, and I realize I could not of went through what I am now, if I hadn’t had the experiences in the past. And I could’nt have done it, because I wouldn’t have been able to isolate really abusive people from out of my life. I just wouldn’t have had the smarts, nor the fortitude to do it, without the past experience. I actually share with you MrPmosh, that same curious fascination with why little things in life, are done backwards or are not done correct. It’s for all of the reasons I mentioned in the above paragraphs. I actually believe, that one can look at all the little things that are done backwards, as tips of icebergs, where there is great big leaking stories underneath the little things. I actually believe that a person can roughly put everything that is going on together, by looking at all the little broken down things. The problem is for me, that when I do it, I tend to look either conceited or out of touch. Of course, when I have a hunch, I really need some proof before I can say anything. The difference between me and you I suggest, is that I somehow feel that God may suffer these unknown things NOT to be exposed, for the simple reason a lot of people out there really do not care what is under these tips of the iceberg at all. I am not saying you don’t care, I know you do, otherwise you wouldn’t have such a fascination with detail. The goofy thing is I believe there are Christians or others of faith, who when finding out that things were not the way they thought they were, will get jolted out of there socks. I just don’t find any reason why, God should be responsible for all of that. I used to all the time hear this anacronym called church shoppers or church bobbers or spiritual gypsies. I think the point the party was making when they brought it up, was that the person doing the shopping was trying to find direction or being content in an organization. I do not believe that any such one particular organization exists. There can be found flaws in as many churches as there are churches. I think it was only when I was comfortable with that being the truth, that I really became comfortable in my own faith. I simply share this last part with you, to explain why I don’t really have a problem with Buddha or the many many countless religious organizations and differing experiences, which explains in large part why the One True God concept for me is rather simple. And I guess the side benefit for me has always been, if there is no one organization which can explain it all, then I feel rather free to try to take stabs at what all those gaps might be. And for that, its actually kind of fun. Some of the hard things in life, I have had to learn frontwards and backwards, to get em right. That is a tough enough road for me, learning thing like that. I know too, you have been through it big time. You know how Billy Graham tell people to confess that one bible verse in Romans for salvation, I am sure you have heard him say it, the one about confessing the Lord Jesus and believing and so forth. You know, if it doesn’t work for you frontwards, I dunno, trying saying it backwards maybe that will get you miracle or something. Please don’t misunderstand, I am not trying to make fun of you, I simply wouldn’t do that, I know your too wounded as it is. Things are so messed up and backwards all over the place today, a person almost has to do things backwards to get it right around some people. There are people in this life, nobody can ever please. (No I don’t mean you.) It’s like with some people they want you to admit, that everything you ever did was wrong, or when they look at you they won’t acquit. I don’t believe that God is ever at all like that. Contrawise, he is just the opposite, wanting people to learn from failed experiences, valuable things so people are not running around messing up again. It’s kind of funny Mr.PMosh, if you ever get mad at somebody and are cleaning up on them, remind me not to come around the corner when you are. If you were, you’d start picking on somebody who has a scab and by the time you were done there wouldn’t be anything left. The goofy thing is that, that is not all bad. There is absolutely no reason to allow others to run around and create havoc for other people with deceit and lies for there own selfish interest. Some of the attacks on people of any faith by Dawkins, Dennett and Harris and others recently have been just flat out brutal. So after reading some of there stuff, I figured I would just let er rip. Turning the other cheek a multitude of times without lifting up the facts on people like these could get one kicked out of school or worse. But notice also that I specifically differentiated between long time ExTwi people and them. There is a good reason, The ones I have talked to are far far different, in attitude. You might find former Professor of Harvard Stephen Jay Gould’s book Wonderful Life interesting. Gould called the one who made creation, “the divine tape player” Gould appears to favored letting the facts speak for themselves and in so doing, it was almost as if that was his confession. Because when he called the Creator the divine tape player, it’s difficult to make a case that he didn’t believe in God. One can’t, because there is absolutely no reason for him to call it “divine.” Of course, Gould was throughout his career just like that. He would say certain things almost as if to make the statement, then he would kind of crinkle the edges on his writings, because he was afraid. The crinkled edges tell a story of a man who was beside himself in fear of what other atheists would say, if he let it rip. At least, that is the conclusion I came to after reading many of his writings.

Thanks and warmest regards for some of your replies. To any of the former TWI people who are atheists: I was just trying to get you to say what you know and not know what you say. No offense intended. I started a new thread in Doctrinal Section on a book called The Crucible of Creation by Morris. I read tons and tons of stuff on Darwinism. Just trying to comply with your requests years ago to be informed when I speak.

************************************************************************ I want to preface this whole thread by drawing a distinction between atheists and ex TWI members who are now atheists. There is a huge difference. I know that because because I have spent some time posting over at the Internet Infidels atheist soceity. My posts are under the same name Sky4it. What difference? The difference is ex TWI atheists are way brighter and smarter than those guys over there. There brighter light bulbs about basically everything. Let me give you one example. That would be Mr Pmosh. Mr. Pmosh had a post about Fox news calling Republicans Democrats that he saw because Fox News had a (D) behind there name. Unbelievable, the guy hardly ever misses one thing, about anybody. I am not even going to mention wether it is relevant or not, that is the subject of his thread. It’s kind of funny because I always felt that Mr. Pmosh postively couldn’t stand me. Yet, I never sensed one time the hositility in him towards me, that I have in some other atheist. One time MrPMosh was on rare air. He was trying to get me to jump thru two hoops, one for each leg, but I couldn’t reach the other hoop if I put my leg in one of them. The guy had my head swimming around for about an hour until I figured out how to respond to him. The man is like razor sharp smart. For stuff like that, you guys positively can frighten people. And I suppose it’s a good thing. It like most of you guys, never miss a beat. My thing always was, I saw the potential in you guys, with your razor wits, to be something good for the church and the gospel. It is not my right to judge you guys. I mean some of you were in TWI for 20 stinking years. I positively believe someone like God makes a distinction on stuff like that. I will repost this at the bottom of the thread, and say a prayer for you guys, because, you positively changed the way I view the world. With out you guys, and some books I read on Darwinism, I probably never would have broached the subject of Darwinism. And for the fact that you are able to be so razor sharp, you have nothing but my respect. *********************************************************************** ****************************************************************** Evolutionary atheist (I call him an atheist) Simon Conway Morris but maybe he will repent get saved and change his ways. I mean you cant rule that out either. I figured I would write up a book I read and what I tried to ask Professor Simon Conway Morris, when I sent him questions by email. (The questions are listed at the end of this short paper.) I am doing it for you atheists so you don’t have a bone to pick with me, and to show you how hard I tried to get you to see the light. And because I always try to be caring and this shows that I really did try and care about you guys. So, even if you don’t believe in God, maybe you atheists wont have such a bone to pick with me for things I have said. Simon Conway Morris is a Professor at the University of Cambridge in England. He is kind of considered a big shot or heavy weight in the Darwinist Evolutionary thought world. Morris was one of the original people who worked with Stephen Jay Gould on the Burgess Shale fossil formation in Canada. Stephen Jay Gould is widely regarding as the most prominent American Biologist and Paleontologist of our time. He passed away some years ago. Stephen Jay Gould wrote a book called “Wonderful Life.” I read that book too. Morris and Stephen Gould worked together on the Burgess Shale formation. They were, it appeared at one time friends Morris wrote a book called The Crucible of Creation. . It is my view and speculation that the only purpose Simon Conway Morris of this book was to over throw the facts that Gould spilled out in his book and masterpiece, Wonderful Life. Simon Conway Morris, I believe from what I have read, holds himself out to be a believer or a Christian. This is pure nonsense. One cannot be a Christian and believe in Darwinian evolution. Otherwise one would be forced to believe that God at one time was an Amoeba. One cannot have it both ways. It’s like calling yourself an SS member of the Nazi party and a priest in the Church at the same time. Sure somebody might try to do it, but it’s theoretically impossible to hold onto both plates, it cant be done. As I said I read the book of Morris’s The Crucible of Creation. Then I contacted Morris about the book by email, and asked him if I could ask him some questions. He pretty much said that is Okey dokey, but that he was busy. So I told him to take his time and get back to me. This is now many many months ago since I sent him the questions. He never even bothered to email me back and tell me he was refusing to answer my questions. Anyway, I will summarize the book for you in short order. Morris basically backtracks the true record of the Burgess Shale, and interpets the shale in a way which is convenient to back Darwinian Evolution and dispel making any fuss about Gould’s book Wonderful Life. This whole matter became a literal war in Darwinian camps at the time which is well chronicled. The reason that they had to fight with each other is that Gould’s book, in my view of it, basically dispels Charles Darwins theory of evolution. Gould’s book, was the death knell for Darwinian evolution, and I believe and speculate, that most scientists who were Darwinian evolutionists, if they were as they say “intellectually honest with themselves”, knew it. Morris book has a Chapter which basically takes one on a carpet ride through what Darwinian evolution could have looked like in the Burgess Shale. Its quite a magic act. Its as though he takes you on a make believe Disney Land tour of the Burgess shale, and is trying to be an apologist for Darwin’s theory. Then, he even tells you that he is pretty much only speculating what could have happened. You have to understand that in the Burgess shale, they discovered several “new phylum”, some of which were later unplugged and not called new phylum at all. They had to do it. They had to do it or Darwinism was dead. That had to reclassify the phylum because there wouldn’t have been enough time for Darwin’s theory to hold any water if they didn’t. Darwin’s theory wouldn’t have held water because there was not enough time for these new phylum to suddenly emerge. The fact that they had to reclassify phylum tells you all you need to know about the bogus Darwinian (and Cladism atheist cult) doctrines. Its there fingerprint on undoing there own work that makes them look like a bunch of liars, thieves and crooks. You have to understand that if they hadn’t reclassified these phylum, Darwinian evolutionary biologists would have read like a dictionary of the unemployed. Now that, is what you call motive, and its not science. That’s not just my theory either, that is a fact. You have to understand Gould. Gould did so much to dismantle them, this is why they always talk about what he said. They have to rationalize everything that Harvard Professor Stephen Gould went in painstaking detail to do, completely away. Some of em even tried to portray Gould as a screwball, or oddball, because of his work. It became very very political for Gould, after his work in his book Wonderful Life, and many other things Gould said, wrote and did. I know that Gould died of cancer. It kind of makes me wonder if somebody didn’t murder the poor guy. I actually wept, after I read Gould’s book Wonderful Life and some of the other writings he did. I wept for the man Gould. I wept for him because of how horribly some people treated him. It’s my view that because of the way they treated him, this is why he kept his mouth shut and would never body slam Darwinian evolution in the latter days of his life. Plus, Gould was a scientist and wanted the facts to speak for themselves. Gould called himself an agnostic. But I personally believe different after reading much of what he said. And Gould was such a marvelous wonder fellow. The term he used for his book, Wonderful Life, that ought to be a description of who the man was. He was a man who was a wonderful human being above all other things. That was the life of Stephen Jay Gould, a Wonderful Life. What did Jesus say again? All that came before him were thieves and robbers. It looks like a lot of people who came after him were thieves and robbers too. Such seems to be the case, of one Simon Conway Morris. You guys don’t understand how much time all this takes someone like me, or anyone for that matter do put all this together. I have scanned hundreds of articles, read many many books on evolution, to do all this. You have to understand that Darwinians theory of evolution, really kind of pollutes itself and hides itself in thousands and thousands of articles, books and high sounding scientific rhetoric. You know how Doctor Victor Paul Weirwille, kind of hid himself in Greek words and the Aramaic texts, he used that to assert his own mad man scientific looking theology. It’s the same trick that Darwinian’s use, with a different twist. They hide themselves in feasibility peer reviewed studies, where the reviewer is, duh duh duh daaaaaa: Another evolutionary Atheist Biologist. Then they try to pass it off on you as scientific literature. You have to understand one other thing. There are not many people who even want to challenge Darwinism anymore at an academic level. If you want to know the reason why, see Ben Stiens movie. It is called, Expelled, No Intellegence Allowed. When your done viewing the movie, go online and look at what they did to a truly special and wonderful guy like Ben Stien. Go read all the creepy names Darwinists called Ben Stein, and how they savagely attacked his character. Let me tell you something about Ben Stein and some other people I wont mention for brevity sake. Ben Stien is a hero, for the Bible. Ben Stien has been savagely attacked and persecuted. Where were all the Ben Stien hate mongers before this movie? They didn’t exist because Ben Stien is an honest honorable person. Before Ben Stien did this, he was a person of impeccable character. This is what a bunch of low down evil hate mongers, some of these Darwian atheists are. They have to assassinate the person of Stien, to validate there own evil lies of evolution. They did it, because people like Stien point you to people who dispel and displace the theory. And he shows people what they do to others if they even try talking about it. It’s a pivotal movie, a pivotal essay, in the history of American literature. It’s pivotal because it proves that Darwins theory of evolution, has political and educational biased legs to run around. Ben Stien, and some other people, are going to go down in history as some of the great men of faith. Ben Stien and some of these other people, are going to be seen as legendary, in the history books. If history teaches any of us one thing, it is that the truth is always unkind, to people who have told and believe lies. It’s sort of like one of the most savage attacks in the history of America, against an all around nice guy like Ben Stien. The sick thing is, hardly anybody defends the poor guy. It’s like he getting the Stephen Jay Gould hands on to a new level treatment, by Darwinists. I wish somebody would just take Ben Stien out and give him one of those This is Your Life, Ben Stien days. The poor guy has been absolutely demolished. As I am writing this I actually almost have tears in my eyes, for the poor guy. And I hardly ever cry. And not just Ben Stien either have they ripped. Some others as well, and personally, I don’t even know if some of them have told the there stories. I doubt it. Then they would be accused of grandstanding. All I can say they better not ever hurt David Berlinski, Ann Coulter, Michael Behe, or Richard Wiekart. If they do I will come unglued. I have never met or talked to any of these people either, with the one exception being one of them sent me an Email. It was just a short thank you note thanking me for complimenting him on a book. The name of the book is The Devils Delusion by Professor David Berlinski. It’s a masterpiece of work, The man also has a great sense of humor. The book is out of print. Go figure. I wonder how that might have happened. By the way, Professor Berlinski, is a genious. He has, I forget the number, its ridiculous, somewhere around 3-5 degrees. In huge variety of subjects. This man can literally answers questions, on other books ad hoc. He can fire off shots on books off the hip. He is also one of the most dazzling and humourous people ever to live on the planet. He is as smart as Albert Einstien. I would actually love to meet the guy sometime but I really don’t dare. They would probably accuse me of some wrong doing just for that. Furthermore they would probably use someone like me to further sabotage his career. They have ALREADY DONE JUST A FINE STINKING JOB. THEY TOOK THE MAN BERLINSKI’S BOOK OUT OF PRINT AND THE MAN LIVES IN FRANCE. But go over to the store Barnes and the UnNoble. When Richard Dawkins wrote his book, The God Delusion, I saw a copy of the book in three different places. Order up an anti-evolution book, gotta order them in mostly. Oh sometimes they pay a little lip service to Michael Behe and throw a couple of copies of his books here and there, but only because he almost overthrew the Darwinian Cult by himself. If you don’t believe me go over there and find the Anti Evolutionary book shelf. It doesn’t exist. Not because there isn’t information on the topic either. I’ts my belief that based upon just the works of Professor Berlinski, Professor Michael Behe, Richard Wiekart, Ben Stein and Ann Colther, that those that keep purporting evolution are evil just for trying. It’s been debunked, by scholars. Instead atheists have a guy like Sam Harris. Now there is a tool if I ever seen one. In his book The End of Faith, he actually advocates the legalization of marijuana. That’s why I just call Sam Harris, ole Pothead. I read that book too. Its like the strangest goofiest book, I have ever read. The book basically reads like an inquistion or crusade against those of Christian and Jewish faith. It attacks Muslims pretty much too. But Harris develops some weird historical supposedly well established record, of Jewish blood letting against Christians and Witches. Then, he turns the table and blames the entire Nazi Holocaust, on Christianity because they were supposedly getting even. The man is absolutely that sick. He tries to pit Jewish people and Christians against each other. Then in the name of intellectualism and science, he tries to ride in like he is some sort of intellectual saviour or messiah. It’s like Here comes Sam Harris and atheists too save the day!!!!!!!! But there is one problem with his entire thesis. Christians and Jewish people to day, pretty much get along great. It’s like he seems to want to put a problem there too, where none exists. But as far as I am concerned with these people, I flow to the bible and try live like it says, which is to as much as lies within you be at peace with all men. Maybe somebody should just try to teach Harris this, so he isnt running around trying to create problems where none exist. Hopefully there is enough of a brain left there with ole pothead that he will at least understand that. It’s like, ole pothead thinks he brilliant, yet he can’t even think that one through. When atheists have intellectuals, you know, you guys might one get one that can think through not trying to manufacture non existent problems. It’s like they have to create a phantom problem now, for Darwinists like Harris to have a reason to crusade on against religion. It’s because Harris knows that there is too much good, in Jewish and Christian faiths, to stand around and attack them. So ole pothead manufactures a reason, to keep the Darwinian cult marching onward. Sam Harris is sort of like, the best reason on the planet not to pay any attention to Darwin evolution. Why? Because ole pothead is a blithering idiot, I am surprised anybody with a clear head would publish book. It’s like when I read his book, I winced. Then I went back and re-read it and laughed. I thought to myself, I finally found the person, that I know no one on earth can be more humanly stupid then. Ole pothead is kinda like the King of Idiots. I seriously don’t think I have ever read someone who can write, who is more of an blithering idiot than Sam Harris. Somebody at some publishing house had to be smoking off the same joint the day they let that one go. I have heard its been said that Barrack Obama is an intellectual genius. He probably is. That’s one guy that Obama could obviously help out. When you read someone like Berlinski’s writings and compare them to Sam Harris’s? Sam Harris isn’t even qualified intellectually to be David Berlinski’s shoe shine boy. Another person, whom atheist claim is bright is Richard Dawkins. I have even heard David Berlinski compliment Dawkin’s for being a brilliant person. It’s the only time I have ever heard Berlinski say something that I really cannot see myself when I read Dawkins stuff. In my opinion, Richard Dawkins isn’t qualified to carry David Berlinski’s jock, intellectually speaking. Some of you might think I have been to hard on Sam Harris. Harris rants and rages all the time, and all but flat out calls people of faith morons. He does it insidiously. That’s kind of the truth of God’s word in a nutshell about judging others, the guy doing all the pointing is the one with jello in his head, or pot or mushrooms or whatever else it might speculatively be. You say to yourself, well I shouldn’t be judging Sam Harris then. Look, I am not judging Sam Harris, I am just telling you the facts. Telling people the facts isn’t judging people. All of us who are Christians are suppose to weigh the facts so when can come to conclusions. It’s a pretty simple test really with Sam Harris, as in, who has a few noodles and who doesn’t. The thing is that those of us who have faith, really do not have any excuse because of Darwinism. There is material out there that dispels it lock stock and barrel. I mean, Michael Behe, David Berlinski,, Richard Wierkart and Ann Colther, and Ben Stein have already dispelled it, leveled it, made a wasteland of it, ALL BY THEMSELVES, WITH JUST SOME HELP FROM THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE. It’s actually a shameful thing, that these people are not held in high regard by the religious community. They have already done all the heavy lifting for them that is why. And here is another reason it is shameful. These people put there careers at risk and rarely does anyone say anything good about them. Fighting Darwinism is a horrible thing, because you have to take abuse for doing it. Nobody likes to go do anything, when they get abused for it. Darwinist’s know this too, that why there such whiny little persecutors to people that do it. I bet you if Jesus Christ came back today from heaven, Darwinists and Cladists would probably go fetch him and try to crucify him. It’s not rocket science. I mean, look what they do to God’s people who oppose them. It’s not difficult to see where that one MIGHT GO. Thats because atheists are very venomous to the truth. It’s also why the Bible haunts them. If you have ever talked to a pack of them, its like they have to prove the bible false in order for themselves to be true. No other academic study operates just like that. I mean, do you see people of history, having to dispel the bible to talk about history? One would think they would have to if they believed any history, because the bible is rich with history. They don’t have to because they establish history based upon the best known information and call it facts. Someone came up with the term for the hodgepodge science and called them Darwiniacs. History is also the Darwiniacs biggest gas attack. They don’t have a history that proves Darwiniac theory. They don’t have too, because the crackpot Darwiniac theory evades it or plugs fossils into the record in weird ways. This spells out roughly the cape an gown act of Darwiniac theory. Let me spell out to you how smart in a nut shell Darwiniac theory is. You have heard of the jeans Calvin Klien. Darwiniacs are about as smart as the guy who sees somebody wearing a pair of Calvin Klien jean, and then they run around and tell everybody the guys name is Calvin Klien. They are like a guy who goes over to Lake Michigan and takes a bottle and fills it with water from the lake and put it in there fridge. Then run around and tell people hey guess what everybody I got Lake Michigan in my refrigerator. Just because somebody can do something like that, it don’t make it true. And thats the kind things Darwianiacs are doing all day long. One more thing about Professor Berlinski. He is real nice and cordial towards atheists all the time. He never totally strips out there chestnut tree. He leaves a few behind so as not to an embarrassment to atheists. Futhermore, if Berlinski doesn’t know something or is not sure, that is exactly what he says. He never out boxes himself to make himself look better than he is. Such integrity in a person is rare to find. Berlinski pretty much came to the same conclusion I did on Sam Harris however. In the opening page of his preface in his masterpiece The Devil’s Delusion, Professor Berlinski says the following, “Now I count myself among Harris’s warmest detractors. When he remarks that he has been dumbstruck by Christian and Moslem intellectual commitments, I believe the word has met the man.” Dumbstruck , is pretty much what my commentary on Harris makes a commitment to. All I did was add and explanation point to what Professor Berlinski said, with one exception, I think both Professor Berlinski and I have been generous. When it comes to other atheists, like atheist hot shot Daniel Dennett (I read his book) and the guy I call the Grand Wizard himself (that would be Richard Dawkins) they basically just level anyone who has any faith and call them stuff like idiots and stupid. Your not just stupid and an idiot either, Richard Dawkins says your “insane.” All this in the name of honest intellectualism. It’s appalling. Daniel Dennett, a professor of Philosophy at Tufts University, is sporting a wig about a couple of rungs above the level of Sam Harris. The only reason someone like Dennett even skins by, in my opinion, is that his book looks obtuse, with careful manipulation of facts using what is at once, run on sentences to a new level of a carpet ride. One thing is for certain, apologies from these people are NOT forthcoming about the idiot, stupidity and insane rants towards those of faith, neither can anyone expect one. The bible even told people this is what they would look like. Most atheists don’t mind be called the heathen, they kind of relish in it. In the Psalms it says, something to the effect “Why do the heathen rage?” It describes them to a tee, they rage and vent. So go ahead and bash me if you want, at least I am not as bad as The Grand Wizard Richard Dawkins. I never once called atheists “insane.” About all you have to do these days to get Richard Dawkins upset, is claim that anyone who has faith is rationale and smart. That is about all it takes and he will be out on another Darwiniac crusade looking for converts to the Darwiniac cult. Lastly, I am not going to run and start arguing about some of the things I wrote in here. Some of you guys who are atheists have pointed out that I am not an expert on the topic anyways. Thus, it hardly matters. But it matter from the standpoint to me that I really really tried, to show you guys what a croc this stuff is, and I wanted to prove it to you so that you know I was earnest in my intentions. Atheists are alwasys so big about telling others that they are ignorant. Well, I am not ignorant anymore, and, it’s a bit of a challenge to read stuff on the topic, when an atheist over at the Internet Infidels Society, cited that fact that there are a million articles on the topic, as tho that proved the point. Gee, did God ever ask people who are Catholics to become Lutherans to understand him? NOT In the following pages after this paragraph, I attached a list of the questions I wrote myself and asked Simon Conway Morris to answer. I realize that you would not be able to understand the questions without reading his book. I simply include them so that you know my word is true and that I did all this stuff. I did it for you atheists in here, and for anyone who Darwinism bothers in the slightest sense. Thus, I was trying to be kind, friendly and caring. The following therefore is a letter I drafted myself and emailed to Professor Simon Conway Morris about his book The Crucible of Creation for which I received no reply, not so much as a note saying he didn’t want to answer my questions: (It was emailed to Professor Morris on Wednesday April 29th, 2009, which is many months ago.) Dear Professor Morris: Thank you for your reply. Okey dokey then, you are busy, so I will keep the questions to a minimum, about 11 lengthy ones only which is not to many. Anyway, take your time about it, if you need a few weeks or more that is certainly okey dokey with me. Here are the questions: Questions presented to Professor Simon Conway Morris on your book The Crucible of Creation. 1) From Chapter 4 you describe an imaginative situation where if one were to go back in the Cambrian what one might see, then you (Professor Morris) say, " What follows therefore is very much an exercise in scientific imagination. Not all of what I describe can be correct." I am wondering specifically, if "not all of what you describe could be correct" why would you then advance this scenery as a posit for a possible Cambrian look a like? It seems to only add more to the confusion, so please state why you provided such an down take on the Cambrian explosion? 2) You state in the same chapter 4 the above paragraph the following, "In the Cambrian none of these animals had evolved, and .... etc..) Then in Chapter 7 on page 184 you state "that Anomalocaris is not a member of some weird new phylum but appears to be a fossil crucial to our understanding of the early stages in the emergence of arthropods." Since you clearly state that none of these animals had evolved, why then do you place Anomalocaris in a position of the early stages of arthropods? Are you saying that other arthropods had evolved from Anomalocaris, when you said in the previous chapter none of them had evolved and why so? Then in the next paragraph on page 184 you make some rather large comparisons of Opabina and Anomalocaris, that they are in fact related. You recall then that it was Whittington who called Opabina an entirely new phylum. Are prepared then to say that Whittington was wrong? Lastly, in Stephen Gould’’s book Wonderful Life, you Professor Morris classified six animals as entirely new phylum. I realize that because of some new discoveries and early admission you have changed your mind on some of them. Have you changed your mind on all six of the classifications you originally did? 3. In the next paragraph on page 184 you say the following comments, "Let us accept that all of these animals will ultimately tell us much about the early evolution of arthropods. How much further back shall we be able to trace the roots of the arthropod tree? This is still very uncertain." Why should anyone accept that these animals will tell "us" something about the early evolution of arthropods, if it is "still very uncertain?" If is uncertain they will tell anything to accept this premise would only lead down a road of conjecture. Please explain exactly how this is science? You seem to engender more questions about the Cambrian than you do answers, please explain why this is necessary? 4. On page 183 of your book you say the following, "When does an arthropod become a true arthropod? Then after another line on Marrella you follow it up by saying, "So what do they do? They make a new pigeon hole and say, ‘‘Anomaloclaris must belong to a new phylum.’’ But this is really an evasion and solves nothing, at least in the context of evolution." I am wondering why specifically that this question must be resolved in "the context of evolution." This is precisely what this comment of yours suggests on appearance. Why does the phylum question have to be resolved in the context of evolution? 5. You state on page 154 of your book that, "It requires no great leap of imagination, therefore, to link the abrupt appearance of skeletons in the Cambrian to the introduction of predators." Are you then positing this position as a "just so" adaptation of the skeletal system in these Cambrian animals? It would seem so? Yet you state on page 153, "... as is evident from the fact that for many years it was claimed that Cambrian marine communities were almost entirely free of predators." Then on page 154 you state, "but the story of the rise of predators is still quite tentative." I am wondering why specifically you would advance skeletons in the Cambrian as almost conclusive in nature (it requires no great leap of imagination) if the story and the rise of predators is in the same breath described as "quite tentative"? Tentative infers uncertainty by definition, why then why then do you advance such a position that in another breath you are uncertain about? I need some answers here Professor. 6. Then in Chapter 7 on body plans you go into the story of the animal fossil discovery Wiwaxia. On page 189 under News from Greenland you make the following comment, "It may also have been the case that the intensity of predation had escalated from the time of the Sirius Passet fauna to that of the Burgess Shale." Then you adopt the concept of predation again in the form of protecting. Page 192 you say the following, " so they defined an intervening and protected recess that made the presence of the cultrate sclerites unnecessary." On page 194 you state, "to protect themselves they had to utilize hard parts." I am wondering exactly, precisely, why you invoke the concepts of protection (which comes in realistic need from predators), if in fact you see the concept of predation in the history of science as so tentative or uncertain? I realize at the end of the chapter you say, "but this parallel story shows how the basic steps might have been achieved." Are prepared to say then that the entire thesis of your book is no more than speculative? If so, why then do you remain a hardcore advocate of evolutionary theory? It seems as though you are simply trying to reestablish the artifact theory by dismissing Gould, by allowing the entrance of what you think might be plausible explanations for doing so. Would you say this is a fair characterization of your book? The reason I have come to that conclusion is your statement also in Chapter 8 on page 205 which says, "I hope that by now I have persuaded you by now that whatever importance is attached to the Burgess Shale, it is not in the operation of either historical contingency or in the fable of re-running the film of the history of life." You did then call Gould’’s work a fable. It seems as if this is a principal reason of this book. Please explain, specifically why your assertions which you describe as "quite tentative" should not be construed as fables also? My problem is Professor, that speculative stories with precursors as out pitches do not quite satisfy my intellect. Please explain? (Also, I do think you and some of your atheist friends could be related to Wiwaxia, as in you have wax in your ears.) 7. I realize you are a big fan of convergent evolution. My problem is that convergent evolution obviously requires much more evolution as in tons and tons more. So that I see convergent evolution as one of the biggest weaknesses of evolutionary theory not a positive principle. Please explain exactly why you are like convergent evolution so much since it requires more evolution in multiple format? 8. On page 108 you discuss Ctenophores and recant that, "living Ctenophores invariably have eight comb-rows." Then you recall on page 109 that Ctenorhabodtotus has 24 rows in Cambrian times and other Ctenophores had even more. Then on 109 you issue this statement, "Perhaps a reduction to 8 rows led to easier coordination via the balancing organ and so improved manoeuvrability." Doesn’’t it seem at least as plausible that 24 rows would give better coordination and improved manoeuvrability? This seems to be selective posturing, for what specific reason does a reduction in rows in this organism play in coordination? Figure 65 on page 142 is an exhibit of "Trace fossils in the form of a series of scratch marks", which you say on page 141 are, "widely interpreted as representing the digging activity of arthropods." Since trace fossils are being widely suspected of providing some answers for evolution, it would seem that these scratch marks, at least to me are rather Panglossian or excessively optimistic. I mean do think Professor Morris, that these "scratch marks" could be just as easily interpreted as something else say a fallen tree scratch marks or some other non living artifact? And if so, why then do they provide meaningful posits for trace fossils? This seems to be some rather curious celebrating over not much of anything do you think so too? Now I realize these are not your arguments, but since you crutch your arguments on them, don’’t you think that these Swedish fossils are very weak in terms of proof of anything? 9) On page 59 of your book you state, "The discovery of similar faunas elsewhere in the world is showing that the Burgess Shale is far from being unique..." Then if you move forward to page 140 you make a good point about how 95 percent of the Burgess Shale represent soft bodied or "thin skeleton" type fossils." How do you distinguish between thin skeleton and thick skeleton in making such observations? Also, why would you make a distinction, isn’’t a skeleton a skeleton? You then go on to say, "Applied to other Cambrian assemblages they suggest that a vast amount of information is lost." I don’’t think that Stephen Gould’’s argument in Wonderful Life ever was that what was found in the Burgess Shale wouldn’’t be found anywhere else on the planet. The concept of uniqueness (or Phyla which describes how your profession would classify) was in comparison to things moving forward in the evolutionary sense, not in terms of lateral comparison in what one would expect comparing these fossils to other Cambrian ones if the record was perfect. Therefore I fail to see how the distribution of these fossils diminishes the Burgess Shale with respect to uniqueness. Please provide some commentary. How exactly does distribution of the same fossils worldwide make them any less unique? 10) On page146 of your book you state, "It is possible that the Ediacaran fossils will come to be regarded as almost irrelevant to how we understand the early evolution of animals. Frankly, I doubt it. In my opinion understanding Ediacaran fossils remain one of the most interesting challenges in paleontology." I find this statement by you rather curious. Yet Gould and others have argued (see page 313 Wonderful Life) that the Ediacaran fossils suffer from volume constraints too large to evolve along this pathway. This seems like a perfectly sensible argument form which to dismiss the Ediacaran fossils as possible gateways for evolution. Why then do you persist in suggesting that there must be something there? Also on page 26 you make the following notation about fossil finds, "... and the exact date of the sediments in which they are found is often contentious. The fossil record, therefore, is sporadic and the timetable of events is subject to constant revision." Yet you seem perfectly content on page 125 to chart some other Cambrian events prior to the Burgess Shale discovery. The question is then, is this chart accurate or is it Panglossian or excessively optimistic? 11) In a discussion with Stephen Gould called Showdown on the Burgess Shale Stephen Gould makes the following remark, "Why have no new animal phyla(with the single exception of Bryozoa) evolved in more than 500 million years since the Cambrian explosion?" In a recent presentation you gave on the Cambrian explosion, you show a chart which documents only 9 phylum in the Cambrian explosion, 12 more which are recent and 8 (eight in all) that are now shown after the Cambrian explosion. When exactly did all these new phylum get reclassified? It does seem a bit odd that the classification system, (The mother of all classifiers if you will) have come along to beat this hereto for not known system into existence. This seems rather odd don’’t you think? That the classifiers would reclassify at precisely the time when the Cambrian explosion was jeopardizing the evolutionary science? Then, in the same segment you proceed to bash Creationists as if this whole segment was known all along? This seems like some rather poor method of educating, to change the Phylum chart and then posit as though it should be known all along to bash Creationists? Commentary please? (Lastly, I think you are a complete Jackass, if you don’’t make some of these things right after what you did to Gould’’s book, because I believe these questions if not answered would at least dispel the notion that Gould’’s book was wrong on contingency.) If you want to your sure welcome to comment on the fact that I think you are a Jackass if you don’’t do anything. And a complete Jackass at that. Commentary? ************************* Dear Father in Heaven. I pray today for all former TWI people, and existing TWI members, that they can find the truth. I pray especially for former TWI members who are now atheists. I pray that they can find you back along an easy road. I pray that they will have the security from you to know, they will never have to go through something like this again. I pray they don’t hate me. I pray they don’t hate me because I have felt hate from other atheists, all thou not so much from ex TWI atheists. I ask this prayer in Jesus name Amen.

waysider, many thanks and I do so appreciate it. Umm, yeah in high school her and her sister, we were like Forest Gump said, peas and carrots. Also, God bless, so happy to know your doing great. It's kinda hard not to respond when you were so, considerate and terrific. Also many thanks to Bishop

I have this friend I knew in high school. Her name is ****** and her’s sisters name is ******. ******, ****** and me are like best friends, forever. ****** is like one of sweetest, kindest people person I ever met. Her sister ****** too, total wonderful person and sweetheart. Both ****** and ****** never met a person they didn’t have a kind word for. ****** in high school played the guitar and had the love of Jesus in her heart. Then one day she ran to some renegade ex TWI people who put her through the Power for Abundant Living Trash. That whole group fell apart too later. ****** was left with nothing for any Abundant Living because of it. Wanna know what ****** is doing now? She doing life hard time in prison for killing her husband. I blame myself for a while, because I never visited ****** at all after she married. But I couldn’t, it wouldn’t be normal because she was married and she always was kind my sweetheart. I blame some of you people in this room for what happened to ******. Especially you hard core atheists, you were the hard core people that made The Way International possible. You aint even honest with yourselves. The Draconian King Victor Paul Weirwille wasnt hard to figure out. I had him figured out in about 15 months. I went to one as in the number 1 twig meeting. Cause I pretty knew it was a crock all along. I mean just how stupid do some of you people have to be? The man actually said, SINCERITY IS NO GUARANTEE FOR TRUTH. Like you could actually read the bible and believe that, is beyond rationality. Then parade yourselves around here like rationale people. As far as may own rationality goes, its like with ******, its my worst moment. It’s like the time when I shot myself in my own leg, I didn’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that I had messed up. My dear ****** I messed up more, the day I wasn’t looking out for you. I am so sorry ******, I didn’t know how bad you must have been hurting. It’s like what they did to Monica Lewinsky, past another mans sins on someone like her when the truth is never told. Where does it all end. Sincerity is definitely a guarantee for something which is not this. Now, of course, I realize that TWI never did anything to Monica Lewinsky. I simply point her out to show you I understand that people outside TWI could be just as barbaric as former TWI members. I realize that TWI isn’t or wasn’t, the only source of bad tidings in this world. The simple difference being, I really doubt somebody did what they did to Monica Lewinsky, in the name of a bible. Their problem is and was, they are just to good for their own worth. They like a house of cards, a sandcastle, in time. I havent even been able to go visit ****** yet, and I just found out about it a short time ago when I ran into ******’s brother. Its taken me just a while to sort through all this stuff about her. Plus, its hard for me thinking about going to see her, I know how tenderhearted she is and I don’t want to break her heart by having her think I think badly about her. I don’t know what to do. And here is another reason why your Sincerity is No Guarantee for Truth preaching should a been a big stop sign for anybody who heard it. It’s about Psalm 51. Psalm 51 reads like a contract. With respect to Psalm 51 only, there is contractors and then there is contractors. That contract is with those who want to GET RID of there sin. It’s not for those who want to establish there own sin and carry on in it and do it. Literally, they want to do it. Thus, to some people it is completely void because they have not willingness to do the Get Rid of part. It is about commitment and that is why it reads like a contract. Imbedded in that contract is sincerity, acknowledgment, and general attitude towards. You can go up and down in and side to side, and see Psalm 51 distributed everywhere. The bible talks about your heart and your hearts condition. Which is why talking like “sincerity is no guarantee for truth”, is inexcusable. But Dr. Wierdo, was even more barbaric than that. He had to go get other teachings, which other organizations accepted, to mix them in his hodgepodge bag of tricks in order to make himself look only moderately extreme. He had to tell people enough stuff that no one else could reasonably deny, in order to propound his lies. Pure Savagery. I am so sick and tired and broke of hearing about all your crybaby stories about what TWI did to you. Why don’t grow up and act like men, take responsibility for what you did. But you never do that either. You atheists, you run around and blame that on God, like it was his fault for your own deeds. Doctor Wierdo, was always pretty much to the bible, what Osama bin Laden is to peace. He totally butchered it, for his own bread and butter. The truth is, some of you wanted it that way. Some of you wanted it, The Victor Paul Weirwille way. Many of you were told too, by other Christians, that TWI was a hodgepodge cult. Then you act like you never knew that either. Your disgusting, that’s why I blame some of the atheists in this room who were former TWI members for what you did to my ******. You messed up her mind, so nothing ever worked right because of your ABSOLUTE 100 PERCENT INSISTENCE, that somebody like VPW had cookie that even mattered. Then, when it fell apart you parade around like a bunch of victims. You people, some of you, were victimizers. That’s exactly what you were. Have fun then with your atheism, I think you got exactly what you deserved, which is Nothing from God. Look what you did to my ******. Wanna know I come around here? I just come around here to babysit some of you once in while to see if any of you have grown up. Pretty much same thing tho, everytime I come. Talking about what crazy man VPW said and did and where he was wrong. Why don’t you just get through your thick head. That the crackpot Doctor was pretty much wrong from the day he opened his mouth. I knew that from day 1. Why? Because somebody told me to look for The Way International. ****** didn’t have that angle. ******’s uncle was renegade big shot TWI guy. He moved it right into ****** house when she was 16 years old. Thanks a lot to some of you former big shot TWI and now crackpot atheists, ****** is doing life behind bars, because people like you messed up her head. Every last one of you should call her up and apologize too her. She rides in a Minnesota state prison for women. You should do something nice for me too. I come around here been nice to all you people until I heard what happened to my ******. Why don’t just send me a real Doctor cause I’m sick just for talking about Doctor Wierdo. Send me one of those good looking nurses with buttons on her blouse with a shot demoral in her hand. Then she can put that demoral in me and I wont be so sick from having to talk about the Doctor Wierdo. I will tell men exactly why you like TWI and The Doctor was your Captain. You liked your Doctor Wierdo, because he let you do what you want with your Longfellow. You took your Longfellow and did pretty much as pleased. This why the crackpot doctor was so big on renewing your mind. Because you had renew it a lot, because of what you were doing with your Longfellow. I know that the Doctor has been deceased for a long time. But that is what you did way back when, and can’t cut the corner and not say that is what it was too you men. But I know how some of you people think. Some of you think, well why should the TWI cult be responsible for what ****** did to her husband? I mean, does somebody have to go get Jim Jones survivors and explain why mind control helped there friends drink cool-aid. True ******’s situation was not just like that. In fact, what Dr. Wierdo and man pals did was conceivably just as bad. Dr. Wierdo took away ******’s understanding of the Bible so she didn’nt have anything to lean on. At the resurrection, I am sure ****** will be heaven. I can’t imagine God Almighty would ever tolerate somebody doing this a second time again, to somebody like ****** or for what somebody did to Monica Lewinsky for that matter. If somebody tried this a second time again after the resurrection to people like ****** and Monica, I think they would all be dead if they even tried. I am not even going to respond to posts on this thread. The facts are the facts and there is no getting around what you did with your Longfellow. I am just going to go back into the Political Section and post there. Don’t go getting all bitter about it now. Look on the bright side, at least your not an Initiated Calvinist. Good bye.

Hey Garth: Why don’t you go smoke your own pretzel? Let’s see if I can sum you up in one statement, repeat these words next time you look in the mirror: I never did anything I didn’t want to hear. Ahh but no big deal, It’s not like I was ever looking in your direction for friendship. Your always right Garth, especially when those around you are telling you stuff you like to hear. After years of VPW, you ought to know better than to swallow everything you hear hook line and sinker. You never did believe one word I ever told you anyway, so what difference does it make today from back then? Absolutely stinking nothing. Of course, I am sure your still grinding on people that have faith, so your taking a little breather from that today. Who knows, perhaps after a while the “brotherhood” of yesteryear with your pals will be restored, you know, when you can find other reasons to grind. Happy high fiving. Anyway have a good one, I wont be back to post for a long long time even if you do reply. Just do not have one sound bite these days that would click for someone like you anyway. Bye.

Lindyhopper, nah, I think I just have good taste in people, I dont need no stinkin people magazine. since it is sat night cheers Bramble: Hello, nice to see you around. If you see Abi around be sure to say hi from me.

Ok Oakspear I will give you that one. How do we measure wether someone is telling it like it is? I think the hat has to fit. The guy is a cardiologist, which makes me think the story might not sit all that well with some of his patients/clients. Anyway, I like the part about the Angel Bob the best. I'll have to keep my eyes open and see if I can see the Angel Bob hanging out around the country side. I'm going to have to keep that shirt in my pocket. Give God credit for one thing, he has a better sense of humor than you find living down here on earth. After that, I just know I belong in heaven.

I believe the story, sounds like some of the things Sadhu Sundar Sing used to say. What reason would a cardiologist have to lie? answer None. Of course, certainly he knew the naysayers would have a beef with it, we means he had a disincentive to tell the story. Note to Garth: At least his guardian angel wasn't Beavis and Butthead. It works like this: As an athiest Garth, you probably wouldn't qualify to have an angel by the name of Bob. Yours would probably be Beavis and Butthead. You know sometimes its just great being a Christian.

And I don't know a ton about them either because I rarely read tabloids. My daughter is a Jessica Simpson fan. On one occassion she kind of filled me in on the skinny, and I thought what she said was rather interesting. Last year, I was watching a Dallas Cowboy football game, and apparently she was in the stands because she was dating the Cowboy QB. It got me thinking..... It was rather humorous from the standpoint the Cowboy QB was not playing well (and prior he was playing terrific) and the commentors where suggesting she may have been a distraction to Tony Romo. They kinda put it out there for thought. And I think you are partially correct, other reasons are always STATED as the big factor. But most of these can be overcome. Adultry/Fornication being one that is not as easy to overcome. That is why I said to bramble, complaining is a precursor which leads to adultry and marital failure. Well I would disagree with that. Some people are given great talent. Like Michael Jordan, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriquez; they have a talent which elevates them to star like status. I mean you certainly can't hold there talent against them. They become well known because of there capacity to do things at an exceptional level. In Jessica Simpson's case she has a terrific musical talent. Also in her case, it didn't hurt that she looks like a Barbie Doll, in terms of beauty. I mean what would we have these people do NOTHING with there talent? I think not.

Well Hello Bramble been a while I can only speak from the male point of view. I am not sure what being a diva really means. Having an entourage of flattering people is probably considered quite normal when your a star and in fact probably couldn't get away from it. As far as the rest of the things "cookie crumbs" sounds like a young person who is adjusting. I guess my point was it was quite a stunning package of goods, in addition she was wealthy. When you have a song bird like that, not valuing it would seem to qualify Mr Lachey for major turkey status. Ahh hah, and I knew you would Bramble because we have talked to much in the past and I prepared for it. I put it forth as a "posit" for consideration. I think finances where not a problem in this family also, Jessica Simpson was and is rich. Now too boo hoo about the other things (if this is what Lachey did); it certainly has been my experience that big problems result when there is a lot of complaining and whining. I guess what I am saying is that to become a Major Turkey you have to first be a Major Complainer (complainer, murmurer) (It's biblical, I Corinth 10:10) . Major Compainer = murmurrer, whinner If you think about it it makes sense. People always have there "reasons", which they enumerate to do what they do. It always starts small with some petty dissatifaction, which makes a greater behavior justifiable or seem correct in there concocted distorted view. I think this is why the bible tells us to give thanks in all things. ahh spoken like a true woman. And I think you are correct, woman do contemplate divorce having a litany of reasons having nothing to do with sex. But the marriage only becomes totally rancid/unpalatable when there is cheating. People are willing to put up with a lot for love, but betrayal is not commonly in there repetoire. At least that is my view point. Dot Matrix, yeah but the term doctrinal is so borish, have to spice it up a little.

Agreed, thanks :)

What’s wrong with marriages? (Turkey of the Century Award) If there is a marriage that provides sort of a microcosm with which to view ourselves it is the former marriage of Jessica Simpson to Nick Lachey. Jessica S., not only is a stunning beauty, but has a terrific musical talent and a personality more pleasant than sugar. In addition, my daughter once told me she was a virgin when she got married. I mean could any man on the planet ask for anything more? Most of us don’t get all those goods in one person when we get married. It was in fact pretty rare air for anyone, and the winner of this ball of flame of goods, Nick Lachey. What then could have possibly went wrong? To have one excuse Nick Lachey would have needed an excuse larger than the planet earth. A sweetheart of a woman like Jessica Simpson just doesn’t come around the corner, grab someone like Lachey by the ear and send him packing. So then what could have went wrong? Sexual purity is always enough to keep a marriage strong or at least together, throughout both the good and bad times. These two didn’t even have much “bad times.” Jessica Simpson, could NOT have possibly cheated on her husband. The fact is he had to have cheated sexually on her. Now, there would be those who say you can’t posit something like sexual purity is always enough to keep a marriage strong or together at a minimum. Why not? It is a valid conclusion based on religious convictions and futher more the government has done far worse and they are still around. Far worse as in the tuskegee experiment, where the government based upon erroneous conclusions performed a horrible racial acts against black people. At least my posit isn’t racist and it has valid assumptions from a religious morale view. Thus, and furthermore, my posit is protected under the Constitution of the United States of America where there’s in fact was NOT. What does the Tuskegee experiments and my posit have in common? Much indeed. The horrific racist scientists of Tuskegee also studied the effect of these people and syphilis on there wife’s and "perhaps" other things as well. Tragically, the government may have been able to find out some (and I emphasize some because I certainly don't know if some like Lachey had syphillis) of the information they sought by one easy test which is: Giving Nick Lachey a lie detector test. Thus and according to my posit, did he or did he not cheat on the adorable Jessica Simpson? In fact, Yes, I think he did. I read or saw some place that after the divorce Nick Lachey was talking about how anyone of his new dates would have to have certain limitations on how many sexual partners they had in the past. Of course, I dunno if this is true or not, but if it is it would make Lachey, the de-virginizer, the biggest Turkey ever. Fact is now Miss Jessica Simpson, was left with all the pain that someone who is the victim experiences. Having done nothing wrong, she is left with the tragic misfortune that many women ask themselves as in what did they do wrong? In Jessica Simpson’s case, I would guess little or NOTHING. Certainly not enough to warrant getting a divorce. A well known sportswriter in our area, writes a column every Thanksgiving handing out his Turkey of the Year award. For making a ship wreck of the Rose of Sharon; and bungling up a too good to be true person (she was and is) in Jessica Simpson; Ladies and Gentlemen I give you the Turkey of the Century Award (when it comes to marriage) Nick Lachey.

Garth, oh my, are you trying to do the things you dont want to or have to do again? How can we help? Look , perhaps I can make a list of things you dont have to do?

Might as well bring this thread along on one more point. Revelation 2:13 “I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat is:” What is Satan’s seat? It would be NOT doing the things the new testament commands; such as: Allowing fornication and adultery and covetousness which is Idolatry to go unconfessed and dealt with, or simply just permissively doing it. One example might be the alleged romantic relationship/affair between John McCain and Vicki Iseman. If true, then Satan would have a seat in government, because unscrupulous fellows could control John McCain. What does all this have to do with Calvinism? Calvinism is a permissive doctrine by design, and has no safeguards other than a tulip to move its followers along. Thus, it is effectively his SEAT.

Hi Bramble Just wanted to wish you seasons greetings and a Happy Happy New Year. Cheers

If you enjoy good reading on the Evolution is hocus pocus argument, be sure to read David Berlinski. Berlinski has a humorous satirical writing style and is enjoyable. Berlinski has his Phd in philosophy and has education in mathematics and molecular biology as well. Berlinski is also the Darwinists worst nightmare, because he doesn’t spout creationist arguments like evolutionists need as their helmet. Berlinski is terrific at tearing off the arguments right from the horses mouths which I think is best too. With a Phd in philosophy, these heavy adjective laden circular arguments of people like Dawkins and others get basically ripped to shreds, AND ALL ON THERE OWN MERIT OR RATHER LACK OF IT. You cannot argue with philosophy and logic, which makes taking Berlinski apart when evolutionists try look absurd. Sadly, they get so emotional about it when talking about Berlinski, because they know their arguments suck.. Reading what some educated evolutionists say about this guy, is humorous on it’s own merit or rather lack of it. Sadly, there is some real good Berlinski articles and lately almost nothing. I would be willing to bet someone told him to stop or threatened him. Why? Because the stuff he DID was a nightmare for Darwinists. They had to respond to his arguments, and you really can’t do it. This guy is razor sharp and his logic is impeccable, his stuff can’t be defeated, ITS SIMPLY THAT SOUND. Anyway here is one Berlinski argument, if you google his name there are many more. Enjoy. http://www.arn.org/docs/berlinski/db_deniabledarwin0696.htm