bliss

Can we keep this topic going?

Raf- where is that Errors in Exodus post of yours? This is an older thread, so just wondering.

You make excellent points about being an outsider looking into any claimed religion. If my basis is believing the bible is God's book, then, that is my measuring stick.

The problem for me came in the last 9 years since leaving the Way. I actually sat down and read through the bible without any religious filters (except that I was Christian reading a holy book) But, in the end, I was horrified!

Some things just make.no.sense! God can /cannot be reasoned with. God is cruel/ good/just/phsycho. The list goes on.

How we could piece together bits of text to suit our own agenda/religion/belief/abuse/ego/style/wants/ is completly mind blowing once you see the inconsistancy.

I still ascribe to' Christian' although I am at odds with everyone in my circle.

It's exhausting.

Wait wait....John R didn't want to talk about the bad of TWI????? But he was on here doing that very thing! He's one of the folks I talked to offline during my transition.

Weird.

Read more here: The Naked Pastor

i would like to humbly mention that this beautiful soul relative of yours might be (and hopefully please dear god) in for a glorious phenomenal awakening in the future. also, please tell them how touched i am for their kindness.

we were told a lot of untrue things. in my own case, wierwille told me how much it would mean to god if i healed his little d-i-c-k - you get my gist

oh my Excie! Well, sadly he passed away 3 years ago. Thank you for your kind heart. Very giving man with no strings attatched. He actually left the W A Y over a decade ago but did maintain a lot of the beliefs... He on numerous times in the Corps caught nimbus #2 in sexual indiscretion. Later as he recalls the episodes , He would say '' who was I gonna tell?". So he didn't. That is what spiritual abuse does. Keeps you from standing up for what is right because the cost is high, usually by your own finger pointing.

Excie- true dat! haha (((mwah)))

Kit- I will lovingly disagree with you on some of the past teachings validity of truth and who the Holy Spirit is talking to today. I'm finding some on the list you named give me shuddering bad vibes.

Maybe it's just me.:)

But, you are right, Vic was a theif....

EXCIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your posts or responses always make me smile,laugh or cry. I hope you are well and good. I love that -we are in purgatory now. lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kit- bless you. So so so true.

Twinky- He WAS a very giving man in spite of it all.

Just thought I'd share some past wacky experiences and disproved Way teaching doctrines.

"You can't outgive God"

This was a phrase repeated in PFAL? and other teachings, mostly in refrence to tithing. But, it was also meant to say:

"God's blessing will never run out when you just give...give to the ministry, give to the fellowship, give to the ministry....

Anyway, my family member who was in the earlier Corps days, decided to PROVE this statement IN REAL TANGIBLE WAYS.

So, him and his buddy who fixed cars for HQ , decided that they were going to start GIVING FREE auto repair service to ''the Household" during a period of about 3 months.

They gave their time, expertise and supplies (money) repeadedly to anyone who needed their car fixed.

Needless to say, they couldn't pay their bills anymore, and not once did "God" bless them back with money falling out of the sky or free tools or food on the table.

They were very disappointed. The confusion that set in only made them look inward as if something was wrong with their believing along with it.

But, at least for my relative, he finally decided that the phrase was a bunch of hooey, because he knew that they were wholeheartidly sincere in their quest to 'outgive God'.

He just couldn't figure out when it applies, since at the same time a ''Laborer is worthy of hire".

NERO!

I feel your pain. My mum is still in TWI.

The bottom line is your mom NEVER LEFT.

She just didn't like the conditions before.

In essense, she never took off the Way colored glasses. I am surprised she got through any other church service ( I guess it was more aligned with way beliefs other than mainstream religions).

She is comfortable. She wants COMMUNITY. This is what she knows. Since she isn't an independant thinker, she doesn't question the doctrine much, because it probably worked for her. It's a very ego-centric doctrine. YOU are in control. In most religions, there is a certain 'uncertainty' there, that we ARE NOT in control. Many people don't like that feeling.

She wants back the comfort of being with those who believe like her and and the control it gave her...and as long as there is no ''yelling/abuse/lawsuit/" going on, then, she'll be there.

Take heart. Just love her as your mother, and be clear that you don't believe the doctrine because it's full of holes.

Every time you bring up a ''people'' issue it can be used against you. We are all sinners. Every religion has crazy's. Every religion has problems. Every religion has doctrinal issues.

You can't change her mind, but you can change you and your reaction to her choices.

Peace,

bliss

If it wasn't for the ''regulars'' posting here at GSC, oh about 9 years ago now.. (holy crap!!!!!) Um, I might still be a slave to the bondage of TWI abusive system of religion.

They helped me take off my ''green colored glasses''.

Case in point: I STILL have relatives in TWI.

In which one told me recently of past ATROCITY that happened to her....and her only response was to ignore it and move on. It doesn't matter how much I say about the abuses and how wrong it is, she is under dilusion. Comfortable. Not ready to leave the confines of her religion. Not wanting to upset the apple cart. BUT, if and when she is ready, I hope she can come here to find answers.

She also said "Rosalie is an old lady, what harm can she do?"

oh my.

Go to the doctrinal section if you want to 'research' the Trinity respectfully on here Zbrick, otherwise, let those who are here, help those searching for a WAY out.

Peace

Sorry about the loss Allen!

Dangit, I was hoping said bro in law was OUT! not a chance??? We sure liked him long ago. Bummer. So he is the one writng the book???? still in?

Sorry, all the bro in laws, brother, etc had me googley eyed

lol

Bliss

thanks outie you're so right

bliss, how are you? it's blissful to see you :wub:

HI EXCIE!!!!!!

sorry, don't get on here much. I have way too many plates spinning. I am good. Still realing from all the BS at TWI but, not paying them much mind.

Hope you are well!!!!!

xoxo

seeds, Ham, funny. :)

Why do they not have anyone ''educated and knowledgeable about biblical matters" speak at HQ?

hahahahahahahaa!!!

Because that would reveal just how STUPID (and I always tell my kids not to use this word but dammit I have to)

THEIR RESEARCH (cough cough) I mean , PLAGIARISM is.....and how LITTLE they know about the fluidity or beauty of the scriptures.

Remember, TWI teaches what they want you to know. Most lay Tweeples do NOT know how to put the scriptures together beyond the TWI tape recordings playing in their heads. We prided ourselves for our biblical knowledge. In reality, we were at the bottom of the pool.

Any bunny trail taken off the beaten path of Wayweirllian bible speak and they would be LOST. Deer in the headlight moments would be very noticable.

It would be a fine day.

*off topic* SEED boys. This is one topic that helped our exit. IF the devil can only copy what God has done, then, how in the world could there be SEED boys in the OT? Seed (Holy Spirit) not available until Pentecost.

Now you can say that Adam and Eve originally had spirit. But then, the devil got to produce all these progeny while GOD ALMIGHTY had to wait thousands of years to produce his awaiting man's redemption?

(new thread?)

I don't want to get too involved here, because I know some Greasespotters love and adore the Reverend Mr. Driscoll as a great man of God. As long ago as 2008 I saw him as a cult waiting to happen. The "discipline contract" is ridiculous and not Christian at all. I realize they quote a lot of Scripture, but hey, the Devil quoted Scripture to Jesus, so I guess anyone can use Scripture to back up their error if they look for the right verse to twist.

Driscoll and his wife, Grace, have a new book out titled Real Marriage which my former church is studying diligently. I read a lot of reviews, and it is basically a sex manual. For someone who absolutely forbids his followers to have any kind of sexual relationship whatsoever, The Reverend Mr. Driscoll seems inordinately interested in the subject.

Their book is very very detailed about their own marriage, physical relationship, her "sin" on a senior trip that caused her husband horrible grief and regret when she confessed to him, and I guess the chapters about sex how-to's and can-we's are very lurid indeed. I have no intention of reading the book. I just mentioned it because I think the whole group of elders shows a voyeuristic interest in everyone's sexual experiences. There are two areas of my life that are no one's damn business unless I invite them: The bank book and the bedroom. This guy is as Geisha says, out of control.

Edited to add: His view of women as basically stupid little chickie-boos is outdated. I don't understand how any intelligent, strong woman can put up with his BS.

Yes, been following (via critics) his tactics and Craig like antics for awhile. No Pastor (sic) should be put in the position to be the ''authority on sex". MYOB!!! exactly, no bank book or bedroom!!!!! This is a sinking ship.

I follow a blog that recently received a letter from a Mars Hill church member and the abuse he's receiving. Very similar to the control and abuse of power that leadership had over it's Way followers. This poor guy came to THEM with his sin, seeking restoration and forgiveness. What he got was a month of meetings, hoops, gossip and shunning.

Mark Driscoll part 1

Mark Driscoll part 2

He was living in U P of Michigan near Menominee. Small service with family and some friends on Friday the 21.

May 1949 - October 2011

RIPJim passed away sometime Sunday of natural causes.

Never had PFAL.

Craig really made a big deal out of JCNG. Her was proud that he started yelling about it within the first 20 minutes of the way of abundance and power.

Well you sure missed out!!!

I am surprised Rosey didn't make everyone take the ORIGINAL if you wanted to work there.

Welcome PatAnswer!

Wow, that was the same exact verse that began the unraveling for me 6 years ago!!!!! 1Peter 1:20

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. ²¹ For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Duh, it's what the Prophets wrote, not what I do with it........(((double slap to forhead))))

That's what happens when you think. You wake up and see.

Really it's just training grounds for him to do this. See, they have had NO FIELD TRAINING in the real world! None. Always on staff at a location. Never ran a fellowship in the devilish, evil world, or held a REAL worldly job.......So, being that he plans on taking over the Way at some point, it would make sense that he get some life training.

As far as how good that life training is going, I have no idea.

Apparently after a long Headquarters shindig last weekend, no one really missed half of the Way of Colorado!

Seems nobody noticed, or cared.

One comment was '' oh, they left the ministry? That's too bad, I really loved them."

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek.

I am speechless.

Knew them.

He creeped me out. He was always parading around as if he was God's gift to the world.

So it's not surprising.

His wife,however, is a shock. She must of been innocent in the business part of it. She was duped as well. Fell for his charms, and stayed ignorant......I am sure.

dangit.

I think I would just have a problem with young cult guys, helping me pick out my undies.

C r E e P y!!

***A couple of Way Disciples work at Victoria's Secret***

What's the big deal you say?

They are guys.

Talk amongst yourselves.

wow.

missed all this huh?

here is my fly- by comment.

As queen of the ''excellor sessions'' (and yes, many many many OOOHS , AHHHS, for me)

I will tell you......

~I made most of it up....( I confess) I was a true practiced linguist

Let me back up ........God can, will and does whatever HE pleases. (i give you Romans 9)

but, to stay on topic, If I recall......Tongues, according to Corinthians, is for the UNSAVED. A SIGN.

That God is huge, present, real and bigger than all other gods...how?

by being ''a sign'' to the ''unbeliever'' by hearing it IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE!!!!!

(I am stating this to those who believe in God and the bible).

I am not saying that we who have this GIFT or mani or whatever, can't do it personally. According to 1 Cor 14 we should. I personally think on a daily basis it's not essential, but that is my paradigm right now...

But, in public, Prophesy benefits others hands down.

I guess what I am saying, is that practicing a Holy Spirit working is ludicrous.

It either IS or ISN'T (INSPIRATION).

SIT publicly is GOD ALMIGHTY's way to SAVE PEOPLE!!

and

HE should GET ALL THE GLORY.

thanks for reading. That is my story and I 'm sticking to it.

I love you all, amen.

hi Excie!!!