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*****and don't forget*******

TWI is the new lingo/abbreviations for TW*LIGHT (books, movies, actors)FANS!!!!

Does anyone remember this lesson? I raised a few kids with illogic. Apparently, Dr. W taught the Corps that it was ''available to NOT dream", so that you ''sleep will be sweet".

So, in other words, if you dream, your "sleep is unpeaceful, which means you aren't believing, or have unresolved issues and let the sun go down upon your wrath, or you are allowing devil spirits to control your mind and yada yada yada....".

Can't remember which one was more prevelant...or which one I used on my kids more...

Hubs and his family taught this to me (they were Corps) and I adopted into our night-time ritual...

"thank you Father for NO DREAMS and sweet sleep."

Anyone got some answers to the ''why"? or What the point was really?

If I am to go to scripture.. well, it doesn't say to pray for no dreams.

Quite the opposite happend to many who had dreams (which the Way always said, it wasn't while sleeping, it was just REVELATION)...

A few great men of the bible interpreted dreams.

Now, on a daily basis, I don't believe that our dreams really mean anything.

But, if God was to give you a dream, I am sure you'll know it!

any thoughts?

HOly Crap !!! so sorry you had to go through that! Just think how much you are going to be able to help someone else who has been in similar situations!

Welcome here. I got out just 5 years ago....and Greasespot was the window washer extroidinare! Cleaned all the gunk off my Way colored glasses so I could finally SEE!!!!!!!

spend some time reading the articles and chatting here. If you really want to talk, I can help you if you PM me. AT least I can share what I did to help get though a lot of the hurts.

take care!

Old SKool you said they "lacked the integrity to leave"...

Lets delve a little deeper into that shall we? I personally know @ 6 couples still on staff today..

here are some ''reasons'' they think they can't leave, even if they were tempted to and /or hate it there...

*too old ~ most are 50/60's and wouldn't dare try to start over in the real world. No real experiece, lack 401k..... They are scared too death! retirement and empty Way promises are within reach...

*too veiled ~ most cannot see past the way colored glasses to see that the research is a joke and many of their beliefs are built on sand.

again, scared to death! forget that" all people sin anywhere you go"....the real issue is that it is all a lie.

*too arrogant~ they think they can change it even if its stinks. I am thinking white seplecures here..

*too prideful ~ who wants to admit that what they believed for so long could possibly be wrong? I mean what would the neighbors think?

* too stupid~ going back out to the real world means actually try to stand up for what you believe in. Most on staff don't have to /nor have they ''witnessed'' in a long time... they are also ignorant in real world issues. What has ''the Way done for Haiti? Helping the poor, widows, orphans......???"They can't answer these.

It's sad. But even if they saw ''bad stuff happen'' , disagree with decisions, are unmotivated, uninspired, and broke, most will stay.

There is a figurative leash around their necks and it makes it hard to escape.

That leash is the "hope" that the next MOG is just waiting around the corner to rescue them from their despair...

Welcome The Heckler.

In all sincerity, please read the articles on this site, it will help you understand some of the errors the Way teachings promote.

The first being your reference verse to ''private interpretation''.

2 Peter 1- 21. Please read the WHOLE chapter.

What is being taught has NOTHING to do with the ''subject'' of this chapter....go on....try for yourself.

Do you see it? ME, MYSELF, and I are never mentioned here in verse 21.

It is all about HOW WE GOT THE SCRIPTURES, and who wrote it!! They are clarifying the apostles authroity and authorship of the writings. That THEY (the apostles) are not giving THEIR OWN OPINION, that they are just writing what the HOLY SPIRIT tells them.

MY INTERPRETATION or my view is NOT an issue or relevant to this passage AT ALL!!

And yet, they teach it in the ''How to Word Interprets Itself'' part of the class.....where it was written before, in the verse, in the context.......and that we aren't suppossed to think of ''one's own''interpretation when reading. Really? Then who's interpretation are we listening to? It is just another way to indoctrinate your thinking to make your conscience shut off and only hear THEiR interpretation (without you realizing it ).

They disregarded their own research passages to ''privately interpret'' this verse.

This was the first peice of the ''leaving THE WAY puzzle'' for my departure. I was in, longer than you have been out of diapers. There are many more.

The Way teachings are very self-centered. It's all about ME mentality...you've already proved it in your posts....I can do all things, I , I , I.....!

His Word, this life....it's all about HIM. Who HE is, and not me. If you really want God in your life, and I believe you do. then, TRY these teachings. TEST them, and reaseach OTHER true biblical leaders of our day (or past). You will find that Way teachings will lead you down a path of selfish bible worship and egotism. imo.

peace.

hahah . you all are so funny.

I keep a file box of mostly stuff from here, articles and such....

and I have to get them out and re-read some of them just to remember the deeper reasons for leaving.

It wasn't just because ''I am mad at Craig!!!!!!!!"

It is especially helpful when talking to a current Wayfer, so that I can get to the real point, instead of trying to gather my emotions from the past back to the front of my mind.

*I am having issues with my posts, I can't get my green, or font or sizes to work......someone help! It's just not Bliss without it all!! *

Halleluia! It's been 4 years since my last confession......

no seriously, I think that is how long since leaving TWI???? Hence my problem...~

I have to refresh my memory sometimes of the ''doctrines'' that so deceived me, just to say ''Oh ya....that is why I left."

Seems the sting of grief has left me. Time has taken the disgust and disappointment away to a degree.

So, in order for me to appreciate what I have become, and what I am doing now, I need to occasionally remind myself of what I used to be and what THE WAY did to me and others.

I am not who I was.

Anyone feelin me?

So sorry you have to go through this.

If her family is in = bad news.

If she doesn't fall in love or is in love with Jesus= bad news

If she isn't digging deep (like coming here) to find out WHY she believes/did believe the Way= bad news

If she is more concerned with her Way ''friends'' and the socialization more than an accurate belief in God = bad news.

If she would risk losing you to attend or please them = bad news

sorry to be so blunt. just sharing with you some warnings to look for. We just got out a few years ago.....my hubby was in since birth.......I had to convince him S L O W L Y at the same time sharing greater truths with him.

Now, he would NEVER go back.

She should climb every mountain to find out if her beliefs are sound and that starts with Google! and Greasespot!

still in.

was still in s. fla last year. I heard some changes happend...they might of moved. but i forget....I;ll see if I can remember. :unsure:

ahhh, my mistake, thanks for the correction B.. teach? what was I thinking?

yes, she lets them ''script read''...yes, from the Way Chronicles of The Way.

"Does the President teach anything?"

Ummmmm, NO!

She gets her yearly ''talk'' in October for a few minutes. She lets her minions do the teaching.

So they were in Florida for a loooongg time..........then moved (sent )to England for 2 years for a ridiculous reason...........

now they are in Camp Gunnison as the chief xo's.... running ''camps'' whenever they are..........specials and stuff...

now the proud grandparents of 4!

OOHHH Belle, I bet that made your day??????!!!!

Well, they are probably sending this all over America to every Fellowship to brag about how wonderful they are!

OH well. OF course the principles in the bible are eternal and effective for all. Good to see they read Suze Orman! HAHAHA!

Overall, it wasn't a bad article. What cracked me up is the comment that ''they are sympathetic'' to those in debt......

I might disagree with that one....

Coolchef, no worries, I won't be sending to you....but the 10 bucks would be fine!

Any more takers????????

I got rid of 3 so far.......

don't be shy......... :blink:

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I know! I'll ship the books to Bliss and she can put them with her books.... (ducking for cover)...

yea, no thanks Twinky! I will see how it goes... :)

part of me really wants to put them in my fire pit.......but, I just can't bring myself to destroy books , no matter how lethal they are...

new years was great thanks! :P

here's the list......

(2)The Rise and Expansion of the

Christian Church…L Craig Martindale

Keys to Spiritual Light…..Dorothy Owens

(2) Christians Should Be Prosperous……..Victor Paul W.

Christian Etiquette

The Lifestyle of a Believer………VPW

Slain By The Spirit

“Also” by E W Bullinger

Forgers of the Word ……VPW

Outreach Strategies of Jesus Christ…….LCM

Athletes Of The Spirit VHS

Jesus Christ Our Passover……VPW

Just The Way It Was……..Dorothy Owens

The Way International~ Where God’s Word Prevails (coffee table book)

Order My Steps In Thy Word

The Bible Tells Me So

The New, Dynamic Church

The Word’s Way

Receiving the holy spirit today

Power for Abundant Living

God’s Magnified Word

Jesus Christ Is Not God

Are the Dead Alive Now?

What God’s Word Says About Angels

ok, so , if you really want some of these... .......and not to indoctrinate others.......!!!!

but for nostalgia, for research, for a BONFIRE maybe, you can take them off my hands for a mere $10 each!

(I will combine if more than one )

why $10 you say?

cuz, it takes me time (i got chitlins...)

supplies (envelopes)

shipping (ain't free darnit)

gas (poffice is not walking distance)

and just plain annoyance.

so, let me know, I will email you full list.

danka

:P

bliss

Everone has great advice. She might not be sure of what she believes, this is just the way she was raised (no pun)..sounds like this is her if she doesn't talk much about it, it's her ''parents thing'' for now.....so going to the service is natural, yada yada...

bottom line though.....if it's going to go anywhere serious, she will have to decide between her family and you.

They will put that pressure on her, you can be sure of that! Comparing ''them'' to ''the way''.....they don't separate. Outside of The Way, you are fresh meat ready to be dined or swept under foot.

I just left a few years ago and know most still on staff at HQ if you want to ask me anything.

:)

bliss

I know how you feel to have family still involved and clueless....

what to do? Everyone had great things to share.

Read Matt 5. Love em like Jesus instructed. That is the only way they will ever hear you....if ever. How can we tell them about ''our'' Jesus, if we can't love them like he did?

It's not our job to tell them what to do, or that they are wrong. Pray for them, and obey Jesus' commandment.

If God is calling them to a greater relationship with Him, they'll hear Hid voice, and SEE your actions.

peace

ps. what band do you work with?

Thanks for the info! I couldn't get straight info from the source...and I googled it a hundred times!

I am surprised it was from 2006 though. They sounded as though it happend this month!

Please excuse any incorrect info, this is coming 3rd hand. Recent, but not sure of exact date.

I tried my best at getting obit info online etc... but, for some reason couldn' t find any. (maybe you all are better than me). Or they kept in under wraps, dunno. :(

John Tuttle of Lakewood, Colorado (Fell Coord)died recently while working for Ed Hobbs log home business. His wife is Stephanie Tuttle (Lisinski?) (way disc group III). They had two little girls and one adopted son (recent).

He fell on a logging saw. Mark Wallace did the service.

so sad. I thought I would share this here in case anyone knew him or has more info.

I just hope they didn't make his wife feel bad for anything...... and those poor kids! She moved away though back to Minnesota? with her mom. She will need ooodles of support and love. I just pray that she gets it.

I needed a good laugh. I watched that months ago and showed Mr. Bliss.......

we cracked up and then got on our knees in thanksgiving.

Now, the woman on the right is Trudy Yates(Bayne). I am sorry to say that I taught her some ''break dancing'' moves years ago............. I can see she's still doing them. She probably wrote that song. As she does most of them. They are all awful.

The rubber man in the middle is Frank Stutz. (child of the Corn)

not sure about the other gal.

If you are gonna dance like that, at least wear appropriate clothing people! Rosalie would never have it!

Eden,

check pm girl.

He's the Region coor for the Rocky Mountains. Lives in Colorado Springs.................

I was under his ''leadership'' after Catcups horrors..........it never got that bad for us. (i am sure his true self was in hiding)

What set you off Cat to bring him up? Just curious.