DogLover

My heart goes out to all of you who have lost a loved one in such a tragic way. Hugs to you all.

Our local church, which is mostly ex-Way folk and has no name (by choice) and is not a tax-exempt organization but rather a group of people who love God, love His Word, and love each other, recently donated school supplies to a public elementary school and a private couple who homeschool a group of students who have been in trouble with the law. Each month we have decided as a group to give to an organization called Heifer International that gives folks in other countries livestock or poulty to raise to become self-sustaining. The principle of Heifer International is that when your sheep, for example, gives birth, you share the wealth with another family .. it's a neat organization who can find more about if you google it.

There's lots of ways to be involved locally ... if you are in a church or not, just decide what you want to do. The American Red Cross always needs help.

i just took the keys away from him and told him to take a cab home

face meltings for me?

nope i would't put up with them

You go, Coolchef! What a great response to some jerk with a sense of entitlement! I love it!

Worse face melting I ever got was my interim year at HQ in 1983-84 from J*m F*r*a*o ... he probably went on for over 30 minutes and might be yelling at me still, had Charlie Q**ill*n not returned to his office and excused me ... you could tell he thought J*m had gone WAY over the edge.

Runner up in the face-melting category was TJ at Gunnison....also L*s* Th*m*s (12th Corps working in the kitchen at Gunnison in 1984-85) ... and I STILL don't know what she was talking about ... folks thought it made them more spiritual, I suppose ... they picked on who they thought they could.

I daresay none of the above would get in my face today ... and if they would choose to, God be with them.

He was indeed a good and faithful servant, full of compassion and integrity.

I got a reply that they are still in ... coordinating something in metro Atlanta. I'm sad for them.

I learned a lot about cleaning when my job in residence one block was Bianchi apartment ... and can honestly say that Gene Bianchi had the neatest sock drawer I have ever seen (which I noticed while putting laundry away). They are nice people ... I hope for their sake that they are out. Does anyone know if they are?

DogLover

Merv Griffin, who came up with the idea of producing Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy, and former TV talk show host, died on Saturday, August 11 at the age of 82 from cancer. I love Jeopardy, so I'm thankful he had that idea.

How can I say this politely?

Oh, what the heck------ it's just a bunch of pretentious crap!

In the regular, non-religious world, it's known as *micro-management* and it's practitioners are referred to as *control freaks*.

*Spiritual understanding* my butt! It's another way of telling you they are going to twist and distort reality until they convince you to denounce your own logic (and common sense) and accept theirs.

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WELL SAID, WAYSIDER, WELL SAID!

I was in from 1972 - January 11, 1996, and I remember that sometime during that time, Eldridge Cleaver took the PFAL Class. He didn't hang around afterward, though.

This may go on the Doctrinal thread ... but here goes anyway: Folks that do not understand that the Book of Revelation applies to Israel and not to the Church of Grace to which we belong wrongly read into it that we are on Earth for the sun being darkened, the moon being turned to blood, the locusts, all the tribulations ... but the Bible's real clear on the fact that the Christian believer is "saved from the wrath which is to come" ... we'll all be gathered together with Jesus Christ in the air and with him when all this stuff is going on on Earth ... that's not just a Way doctrine ... folks that don't know any better and that are being told that by fear--mongering ministers eager to increase their congregations are the ones that promote that.

NOT being here for that stuff is a great part of what "being saved" means for us ... but yeah, I'm with you ... even if the Communists (or whoever took over), it would not be tapes and boots I would want. I thought the MAL pack was stupid when we did it in residence and I still do. (I have a "hold-over" from that time ... it's still hard for me to let my gas tank get below half full.) I remember a couple of the assistant Corps Coordinators at Emporia being very boastful about how "I wouldn't want to have you with me." I remember sitting in the Emporia Dining Room thinking, as P*t P**w**l talked, "Yeah, we're even ... I wouldn't want to go anywhere with you either." The strong feeling he and D*v* B*d**d promoted is that we were simply not spiritual enough to go with them. I remember D*v* teaching us (or more specifically, I guess, the guys) to get dogs off their trail when they were being chased -- to urinate on a tree and carry a vial of cayenne pepper to apply on top of the urine ... it would mess up the tracking dogs' sense of smell when they traced the scent of you/your urine to the tree and they would lose the scent (I am not kidding ... this happened my first year in-residence). Oh, they were *SO* spiritual ...

Yes, I don't usually get involved in these discussions, either, but Catcup has long since proved her credentials. Pond, you need to back off AND learn how to spell, capitalize, and punctuate if you are going to be taken seriously in your questioning. Perhaps you should consider whether what Catcup has said "hits too close to home" and that's why you are trying to disagree with it. I don't mean this to sound ugly ... it's just that sometimes if we have a strong reaction to something, we need to step back and see if something that is being said out of concern and with a view to help (as Catcup's post was) is being taken by us to be personal in nature. She isn't attacking anyone, personal or otherwise ... she is offering help and yes, expertise, to those who may want to avail themselves of it.

If you do not choose to avail yourself of her expertise, fine. Use the time you would have spent reading and responding to this thread in a more productive way ... not attacking someone who posted information out of a good heart with the intention of helping someone.

For info on Terri Molle, check out this link:

http://www.grimesgrafix.com/bears75/a.html

I just found it by a search on Yahoo after reading the last post, and it is a delight to read about Terri and John's life in Florida, after TWI ...

I've seen Ralph Dubofsky witness MANY times.

I DO know that John and Elizabeth have remarried and are quite happy now ... heard from a reliable friend. I know no other details.

Reading one of the posts about someone hiding in an off-limits attic at the Indiana Campus made me think fondly back to one of my favorite hiding places at Emporia ... it seemed like you couldn't even nap on your day off without someone thinking there was something wrong with you spiritually. I would take the freight elevator in Kipp up to the attic (in cooler weather; too hot when the weather was warm) to where some of us stored our things, then nap and read to my heart's content. I even took a pillow and a blanket. No one else could get up there because I had the elevator stopped up there!

Anyone else care to confess their favorite place to hide?

When I was in a WOW Vet home in Chicago in 1981-82, I was concerned because in our home, an unmarried couple (who later married) were going to her room and having sex right after Twig with her then-11-year-old child right there. I spoke to the Branch leader's wife, Y*e**e (9th Corps) and she railed and railed and railed upon me about "how dare you think there's anything wrong with that?" with me sobbing ... until her husband, D*v*s came home from work and made her stop.

That was my starkest introduction to a person who thought that people's "freedom in Christ" allowed them to have premarital sex within 20 feet of the room a Bible fellowship had just finished in less than 20 minutes before. Y*e**e also told me I "had no right" to expect her to know the answer to the question of whether it was all right for people that were not married to one another to sleep together just because she was in the Corps.

Fortunately, our Area Leader K**s K*le (7th Corps) told me (in a later conversation) that I had EVERY right to expect her to know it was not right for them to do that. Sadly, the morals and certainty he possessed were hard to find in other Way ministry places. Thank you, K**s, wherever you are.

MiniCorpse,

What a heart-wrenching story! Reading it made me realize how strong a person you must be to have survived all that, then have what it takes to be in grad school ... enjoy your time here at the Cafe and know that it IS very healing to be around people that believe you and know, at least to some extent, what you went through.

When they had clothes giveaway at the Way College of Emporia, they called it Acts Fifth Avenue. Is that what you're trying to remember? (I hate that getting old stuff, too...)

Getting your hair cut was Reflections.

Can't think of any others right now ...

If you look at that link, you'll notice that Chris Newcomb lives in Orono, Maine ... not Bangor.

DIA ... which means "by way of" with the meaning that that's the only way it could be done. Check it out .. it's cool ... and NOT something I learned in TWI.

Actually, they weren't pushed by LCM so much as they were pushed and promoted by Vince Finnegan (if memory serves me correctly).

I also sold my car to two Way Corps folks who tried to renege on the payments ... and I was in the Way Corps the year the payments were supposed to come in and was depending on it for sponsorship. When I went to P*t P*w*ll and talked to him about it, he was very helpful and called their leadership in CA ... the two Corps folks involved got so angry that they were very ugly to me at the ROA later that year and even when I called to patch things up YEARS later, the wife pretended not to even know who I was ... I guess they just expected the car was their "right to have" or something ...

If you know of the purple dinosaur, you know the nickname (at the time) of one of them...both lovely WC10 folks...or at least I thought so. They have wisely long ago left TWI.

Ted Ferrell was on stage at the ROA, and he was moving around while singing when he got a cramp in his leg. Craig came out and in a big display of supposed holiness, he started to pray for Ted's heart while all of us in the audience listened ... then, over the sound of Craig's mike came the words, "It's not mah heart, Craig, it's mah leg!" I can't speak for everyone else, but my friend and I HOWLED...and of course, we were thankful it wasn't Ted's heart ... but walking by the senses on the part of the MOGFODAT.

I was at the Way HQ in 1983 on Memorial Day (in-residence Corps) and in 1984 (on staff there my interim year). We celebrated Memorial Day both years ... with the day off when I was on Staff ... it IS a place of business and the employees got days off ... hard to believe, I know, but we did. I don't think there is anything insidious about doing Pentecost a week early so the employees can have the day off.