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  1. Just depended who. VPW said on several occasions that he had no respect for anyone who used the word Christmas because it was not a mass for Christ. It was contempt for the Roman Catholic "Christ mass" that started all the brouhaha about using the word Christmas. Still, many of us Corps at the time (I was 13th) went along with it when we were on campus or at Way-sponsored events, and said and still celebrated Christmas at home with Christmas trees, Christmas cards, Christmas carols, etc. We had a big formal Christmas party at both Way HQ and Emporia, but probably called it something else. It was John Lynn (who coordinated Way Corps 9 through Way Corps 13 at Emporia) who came up with the idea of Ho-Ho Relo instead of Christmas Vacation. We were supposed to not be on vacation during that time, but I suspect everyone was, just another example of being put in a position to do one thing under the watchful eye of the overseers, but another thing in real life. I suspect the few faithful Waybots still do the same ... Happy Household Holidays being the thing now, but I will bet they still have a Christmas tree and exchange gifts.
  2. This made me remember something the HQ Corps Coordinator said to the 12th in-residence at the time) and 13th Corps (interim year on staff at the time) at a Sunday after-meeting when he was talking about the upcoming Uncle Harry/Burn the Chaff Day. He misspoke and called it Burn Uncle Harry day. That would have been 1984, so Uncle Harry had rejoined the soil 6.5 years before (he died in the summer of 1977, IIRC). The name of the event had recently been changed from Uncle Harry Day to Burn the Chaff day. We all cracked up. He was embarrassed, but Michael always enjoyed a good laugh, even at his own expense.
  3. The way The Way celebrated Halloween was discussed in a lame class which was the last one I took before leaving. It was called The Believer's Family, or some such. In it LCM said that was each family's decision. Sometimes they had a "Harvest Festival" or some such. Some believers just let their kids go trick or treating or to a locally sponsored event. VPW talked a lot about Reformation and Martin Luther, but I do not recall in my 23.5 years in that we celebrated it on the same day as the traditional Protestant church calendar. I do recall, however, that on one day around the time Jesus Christ is Not God was published, that he went to the Evangelical and Reformed Church in downtown New Knoxville and posted his Theses (not 95) on its church door. As you might imagine, that did not go over well with the locals.
  4. Thanks to everyone for your responses. I didn't think it was the real LCM, but I just wanted to make sure.
  5. There is an LCM who identifies as Lot Craig Martindale on Twitter. Is this the real one? This enquiring mind wants to know ....
  6. I think that must be the book Mrs. Wierwille wrote, with her daughter Karen's help ... I had left TWI before it was published, but I have seen a copy. Checked Amazon ... it is called VICTOR PAUL WIERWILLE: BORN AGAIN TO SERVE. Available for purchase if you choose to spend an arm and a leg ...
  7. There is a large tree out back of the East Carolina University (ECU) Way Home in Greenville, NC that is a great example, as trees go. I remember being told in my first year in the Way in 1972-1973 that there's where VPW "got the revelation for the Way Tree." Even then, at the ripe young age of 17, I thought, "What? He had never seen a tree before?"
  8. I found it interesting that everyone in the 13th Corps (can't speak for others) was given a copy of Bullinger's HOW TO ENJOY THE BIBLE in September of our first year in-residence. I remember slowly reading through most of it during that year. It was amazing to me how very much of PFAL was taken from there.
  9. Remove and replace is a much better idea.
  10. I remember. It was my first ROA and my favorite ... our local fellowship leader got a wealthy woman in town to donate the cost of the chartered bus we went on. I was 17 at the time. Nice memory.
  11. I remember seeing "A Day with the Wierwilles" while in residence with the 13th Corps. I do not remember a lot of it, but I do remember that VPW had said in it that Luke Somerville (son of John and Mary Wierwille Somerville) should be "groomed" to be the third president of the Way (which, as we know, ended up being Rosalie Rivenbark). I also remember hearing Don Wierwille say he did not really agree with the premise that the stand of the Wierwille family was so crucial to the Way continuing. As I recall, the "day" in question was during a holiday vacation at Gunnison in 1982.
  12. Was he ever part of the singing group, The Victors?
  13. For some reason, I was thinking that the premier was before VPW died. I was in residence at Gunnison in the spring of 1985, which was a horrible experience, and those that wanted to go were allowed to go straight to Ohio for the weekend, see it, then come straight back. As much as I would have liked to escape the gulag for a couple days, I did not think it was worth the effort. Earlier that block, in February I believe (LCM watched the Grammys with us), when LCM came to visit Gunnison, all he seemed to talk about was the costuming for the different categories he had determined of devil spirits. I found it extremely weird, and still do. I saw AOS once at the Rock of Ages 1985. It was a waste. I could not believe they made a coloring book of it for kids of the ministry to be exposed to it ...
  14. When I was in the Corps, one of the Corps Coordinators told us a story "for our learning" about how he had once announced at some meeting that the Trustees (they were called that then) were on their annual fishing trip. He was reproved by one of his higher ups with the admonition that he should refer to it as "their annual meeting" with the explanation "we have to protect our Trustees." During that same year, I was told that I should not ever say that Vince was "olaying cards with the Trustees" ... because they were gambling, playing poker during business hours one Friday afternoon. We were taught to cover up anything that put TWI in a bad light.
  15. Skyrider: Just curious ... what 24 Corps have been blacklisted? I only heard about the Moneyhands that I recall.
  16. I really liked the early ROAs ... 1972 was my favorite, as it was my first. By the time the later ROA rolled around, I did not particularly like it. One of them, I left in mid-week (not in the Corps yet then, so I had only been there a few days). It was hot, humid, and nasty. I left, drove to just the other side of Dayton, and slept overnight in a WONDERFUL air-conditioned motel room, munching on some of the food and drink I had brought for the Rock. I decided then I would never camp in a tent again, and I didn't. The last year of the Rock, I was staying in a motel with a friend and her kids. I had left the Corps about ten years before that, so we went whenever we wanted (usually in the afternoon) and it was very nice....UNTIL Craig decided it was going to be a Rock of Ages CLASS. He had no class. We still came and went as we wanted, but I knew then I would never go to a Rock again. I was very relieved when he announced later that fall that the Rock was no more. Sad, because in my younger years, I loved it. By then, I was forty and despised it.
  17. I talked with someone still in TWI for several hours this past Saturday evening. She is in support of these dissenters. She sent me all the letters that have been posted here and answered any questions I had. I remember her saying that, Rico had told the group that God gave him audible revelation to go into Rosalie's office and tell her she was to resign from her place on the Board of Directors. Clearly, that did not go well, as he was escorted off grounds by security. So that is a little more detail on his leaving.
  18. Too much money and power is at stake for the trustees/directors to step down. Actually, for the Way, the fewer followers there are, the more money can be spent by the Directors ... in a 501(c)3 corporation, as long as there is ANY provable effort that they are following through with their mission (not necessarily large numbers), the Directors will have access to that $58 million plus that was amassed by good-hearted believers giving during the heyday of the Way. I have read all those letters, but there is no way that, short of divine intervention (not likely), that they will be successful. Many of those folks now have alternate sources of income, so they can afford to speak up now. Lots of dirty hands on that list of signers of the letters...people that were involved in tossing out others who spoke up against those very things years ago. TWI can be compared to North Korea in that it is a very closed society. For the USA to ever get rid of Kim Jong Un will require his death, his assassination, or some wild bombing. I am assuming that this group would not resort to the last two to get rid of Rosalie, but I am willing to bet that the only way she will take her hand off the helm of control is at the time of her death. Even then, she has put a "yes ma'am" man into the presidency. Their efforts are indeed like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
  19. Thanks for the information .. glad for them.
  20. I have a question. When I was in TWI from 1972-January 1, 1996, I had not heard of Rico Magnelli. I do recognize the name as someone I have read about on this forum. What position(s) did he hold in TWI? I seem to remember it was rather high up. Very happy for him and his family than they left that cesspool, if indeed they did.
  21. TWI taught that believers receive only rewards at the bema. However, a part of Scripture they conveniently forget is where we all stand before the judgment seat of God. No hell-fire, our incorruptible seed guarantees that ... BUT I do know enough about God and His Word to know that there will be eternal justice for all the things they have done during this life that were done in secret. Nothing is secret from God ... they will pay when the time comes .. at the hand of God, not man. That is a comfort to me concerning not just TWI leadership, but others who have done wrong with no remorse.
  22. I agree with Twinky. Church in the home seemed to be God's idea in Acts and the Pauline Epistles. The Way may have misused and abused the concept, but I do not think the church in the home was the problem .... but rather the leaders and wanna-bes who attended the churches in the home. Churches in the home are common and a blessing throughout much of the free ... and restricted....nations of the world.
  23. One slight addition to DWBH's post ... when RFR came to her very first coffeehouse at ECU in Greenville, NC, I happened to be there for some sort of weekend event, and I remember meeting her and another one of her students, Ricky Canady, who had witnessed to her along with Jeff and Stephen. He showed up at one other event in those early years and then disappeared from Way-dar. It sticks out in my mind because at that time there were basically college students and a some high school students in the Way of NC, so the adults starting to come from New Bern were quite the novelty.
  24. Grace, the reason they attract so much attention is that for many years, they were the Family Corps Coordinators at the Indiana Campus. Before and after that, they were Limb and/or Region Coordinators on the field, so they had contact with many, many people in TWI over the yearsl Lots of time and locations to affect lots of people's lives negatively ... and they did!
  25. The Moneyhands are retired from TWI and living in Toledo to be near their son and his family. They have other retirement money than that which TWI offered...some they paid for over the years, just like a regular couple would do. I cannot say more than that, lest I betray a good friend's confidences, as he is the one that sold it to them many years ago. It is NOT money that Dottie's family gave them.
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