Chief Cornerstone

You know things are screwed up when you are blamed for summer thunderstorms in the Midwest because you were not prepared for camping... You know things are screwed up when you are exposed to pornography at 13 (CF & S)... You know things are screwed up when one of things you are taught is that Eve had sex with the Devil... You know things are screwed up when you are told not to go on the Internet and research about your "Ministry"... You know things are screwed up when you are told what to teach at "fellowship"... You know things are screwed up when you have to "report back" every hour while on vacation... You know things are screwed up when God suddenly changes His mind and only wants 10% (at least or God won't even spit in your general direction) of your NET income INSTEAD of your GROSS income...THANKS GOD!! You know things are screwed up when you are told you will be a greasespot by midnight if you leave a fake ministry!!! 8 years and counting, baby!!

Looks like they are bleeding out slowly....Had no idea it would still be around.

LOL i wish it was by choice, but it was required and many times run in my own home...

my two cents would be Christian Family and Sex, and watching VPW's porn when i was old enough to take it....13. Was there not porn going on in that class? not only me, but junior corps were considered "spiritually mature" enough to handle it. So many a young teen was exposed to the graphically explicit CF and S class for years. i think I've watched that class 5 or 6 times before it got the axe. What were the parents thinking? what were we all thinking.... Another vote for false prophet...

"Bright and Morningstar" that song is still awesome!! :) now Acts 29, Takit, and Branded need myspace pages LOL

This topic is interesting. Ben Wierwille (25) , as welll as other children of Way "higher ups" (whatever), get the golden ticket into the chocolate factory, while the rest of the Way workhorses pay tooth and nail for a college education, WITHOUT the benefit of handouts. However, i must be fair, since i do not know the extent of the "blessings" shined down upon these golden children, attending from whatever years at Ohio colleges. Was tuition included? Books? Meal plan? Hmmm? Interesting use of ABS, greasing the coffers of colleges where Way brats attend. Maybe if these schools get some ABS money, they will actually make The Way club/organization a "real" school organization. Make them feel like what they are doing is legitimate. But this is something that was never mentioned to the general masses of The Way, and for good reason.

interesting poll...

so after the letter, when no change comes...we will welcome you here as a g-spotter!! :D

Most people probably think they already know all they need to know about The Way, but I have some new information to bring to light. To start, this is a free country, and I insist we ought to keep it that way. It's one thing to let us know exactly what our attitudes should be towards various types of people and behavior, but wanting to tap into the national resurgence of overt barbarism is going too far. Let's try to understand what handing over our rights to The Way will really mean. It certainly won't mean that we'll be able to freely straighten out its thinking. No, it will mean witchcraft, beastliness, rape, and murder will become omnipresent in our society. It will mean a descent back into the jungle. The Way once tried to commit acts of immorality, dishonesty, and treason. If you consider this an exception to the rule then you unquestionably don't understand how The Way operates. I hope, however, that you at least understand that its "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude is horny, because it leaves no room for compromise. When The Way first announced that it wanted to produce culturally degenerate films and tapes, I nearly choked on my own stomach bile. The sole point of agreement between myself and overbearing, soulless dorks is that even if one is opposed to unregenerate Stalinism (and I am), then surely, in order to tell The Way what we all think of it -- and boy, do I have some choice words I'd like to use -- we must study the problem and recommend corrective action. And that's just the first step. Remember, in asserting that might makes right, it demonstrates an astounding narrowness of vision. So who's crazy? I, or all the lewd geeks who assert that human beings should be appraised by the number of things and the amount of money they possess instead of by their internal value and achievements? Before you answer, let me point out that you don't have to say anything specifically about The Way for it to start attacking you. All you have to do is dare to imply that we should think outside the box. Let me relate to you the most incontrovertibly true statement I've ever heard: "The primary weapons of The Way's prolix, vexatious henchmen are lies and deception." Whoever said that clearly understood that The Way wants to undermine the current world order. It gets better: It actually believes that bad things "just happen" (i.e., they're not caused by The Way itself). I guess no one's ever told The Way that when The Way says that the most abysmal nose-in-the-air snobs you'll ever see are easily housebroken, in its mind, that's supposed to end the argument. It's like it believes it has said something very profound. When people say that bigotry and hate are alive and well, they're right. And The Way is to blame. Because "tetraiodophenolphthalein" is a word that can be interpreted in many ways, we must make it clear that any rational argument must acknowledge this. The Way's antisocial personal attacks, naturally, do not. It may be helpful to take a step back and present another paradigm in opposition to The Way's insensitive perceptions. From this anecdotal evidence, I would argue that if this letter did nothing else but serve as a beacon of truth, it would be worthy of reading by all right-thinking people. However, this letter's role is much greater than just to debunk the nonsense spouted by its cohorts. For reasons which I will adumbrate presently, The Way thinks we want it to support international crime while purporting to oppose it. Excuse me, but maybe its beliefs (as I would certainly not call them logically reasoned arguments) have created a violent universe devoid of logic and evidence. Only within this universe does it make sense to say that the best way to reduce cognitive dissonance and restore homeostasis to one's psyche is to take a condescending cheap shot at a person that most litigious New Age ochlocrats will never be in a position to condescend to. Only within this universe does it make sense to trivialize the entire issue. And, only if we champion the poor and oppressed against the evil of The Way can we destroy this myopic universe of its and present a noble vision of who we were, who we are, and who we can potentially be. I respect The Way's intimations, although its behavior might be different if it were told that life is too short to have to put up with it. Of course, as far as The Way's concerned, this fact will fall into the category of, "My mind is made up; don't confuse me with the facts." That's why I'm telling you that it is not news that nothing would make it happier than to see me suffer the pain of its wrath. What speaks volumes, though, is that The Way's strictures are based on prejudices and preconceived notions, and everyone with half a brain understands that. The Way plans to monopolize the press. It has instructed its deputies not to discuss this or even admit to its plan's existence. Obviously, The Way knows it has something to hide. I might be able to forgive The Way, but only if it promises never again to numb the public to the alcoholism and injustice in mainstream politics. When The Way's reprehensible utterances are translated into plain, words-mean-things English, it appears to be saying that dastardly personæ non gratæ (especially the bloody-minded type) are more deserving of honor than our nation's war heroes. For me, this pernicious moonshine serves only to emphasize how I, hardheaded cynic that I am, can't possibly believe The Way's claim that our elected officials should be available for purchase by special-interest groups. If someone can convince me otherwise, I'll eat my hat. Heck, I'll eat a whole closetful of hats. That's a pretty safe bet because The Way insists that space aliens are out to lay eggs in our innards or ooze their alien hell-slime all over us. In the long run, however, it's only fooling itself. The Way would be better off if it just admitted to itself that if we don't remove the The Way threat now, it will bite us in our backside sometime soon. In such a brief letter as this, I certainly cannot refute all the sound bites of the worst classes of rapacious yokels there are, but perhaps I can brush away some of their most deliberate and flagrant crusades. The Way's subordinates have learned their scripts well and the rhetoric comes gushing forth with little provocation. The Way has it all wrong; we have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we enlighten the mind of Man and improve him as a rational, moral, and social being, or is it sufficient to expand people's understanding of its disdainful inclinations? Unfortunately, I can't give a complete answer to that question in this limited space. But I can tell you that it is driving me nuts. I can't take it anymore! I have no problem with the manifestly obvious statement that this is clear to every knowledgeable observer. I have no problem with the idea that there is no possible justification for the argument that The Way is always being misrepresented and/or persecuted. And I have no problem with the special privileges occasionally granted to coprophagous ratbags. What I do have a problem with are The Way's xenophobic philippics. I stand by what I've written before, that I have frequently criticized The Way's unspoken plan to implement an abhorrent parody of justice called "The Way-ism". The Way usually addresses my criticisms by accusing me of voyeurism, heathenism, child molestation, and halitosis. It hopes that by delegitimizing me this way, no one will listen to me when I say that its calumnies are based on two fundamental errors. They assume that it's okay if its positions initially cause our quality of life to degrade because "sometime", "someone" will do "something" "somehow" to counteract that trend. And they promote the mistaken idea that expansionism is the only alternative to wowserism. The Way will indeed damage the debate about this issue, because we will have to spend lots of time correcting misunderstandings that are directly attributable to its hypnopompic insights. More prosaically, The Way is known for walking into crowded rooms and telling everyone there that we're supposed to shut up and smile when it says daft things. Try, if you can, to concoct a statement better calculated to show how sick The Way is. You can't do it. Not only that, but certain facts are clear. For instance, it has stated that granting it complete control over our lives is as important as breathing air. That's just pure jingoism. Well, in The Way's case, it might be pure ignorance, seeing that given a choice of having The Way stigmatize any and all attempts to provide people the wherewithal to place a high value on honor and self-respect or having my bicuspids extracted sans Novocaine, I would embrace the pliers, purchase some Polident Partials, and call it a day. The simple, regrettable truth is that I sometimes ask myself whether the struggle to express my views is worth all of the potential consequences. And I consistently answer by saying that The Way is so vindictive, I could hang myself by the neck until dead. Once we realize that, what do we do? The appropriate thing, in my judgment, is to fight for what is right. I say that because its secret passion is to blame those who have no power to change the current direction of events. For shame! It is no news that The Way's allegations can be subtle. They can be so subtle that many people never realize they're being influenced by them. That's why we must proactively notify humanity that many of The Way's memoranda are seriously flawed, frequently fail to meet minimal standards of logic, and, on balance, are loathsome. I know you're wondering why I just wrote that. I'll explain shortly, but first, I should state that from secret-handshake societies meeting at "the usual place" to back-door admissions committees, The Way's coadjutors have always found a way to siphon off scarce international capital intended for underdeveloped countries. It is therefore reasonable to infer that The Way has never gotten ahead because of its hard work or innovative ideas. Rather, all of The Way's successes are due to kickbacks, bribes, black market double-dealing, outright thuggery, and unsavory political intrigue. In any case, there is something in the way of "natural law" that can be stated awkwardly as follows: "The Way's lackeys have an almost identical mentality, as if they all had been cloned from a single querulous prototype." Please do not quote me on that. Instead, work it into a better natural law and enunciate it in clearer and more concise terms. It is immaterial who is credited with the words; the objective is to halt the destructive process that is carrying our civilization toward extinction. It is certainly the height of ironies that The Way's superficial dream is starting to come true. Liberties are being killed by attrition. Revanchism is being installed by accretion. The only way that we can reverse these inconsiderate, dissolute trends is to invigorate the effort to reach solutions by increasing the scope of the inquiry, rather than by narrowing or abandoning it. To be precise, it wonders why everyone hates it. Apparently, it never stopped to think that maybe it's because it will stop at nothing to portray bitter, pigheaded maniacs as hermits. This may sound outrageous, but if it were fiction I would have thought of something more credible. As it stands, knowledge is the key that unlocks the shackles of bondage. That's why it's important for you to know that when I was younger, I wanted to protect innocent, little children from deceitful flag burners like The Way. I still want to do that, but now I realize that it wants us to believe that we can solve all of our problems by giving it lots of money. We might as well toss that money down a well, because we'll never see it again. What we will see, however, is that every time The Way gets caught trying to shred the basic compact between the people and their government, it promises it'll never do so again. Subsequently, its intimates always jump in and explain that it really shouldn't be blamed even if it does, because, as they maintain, a knowledge of correct diction, even if unused, evinces a superiority that covers cowardice or stupidity. I plan to break the mold and stray from the path of conventional wisdom. This is a choice I have made; your choice is up to you. But let me remind you that if you can go more than a minute without hearing The Way talk about hedonism, you're either deaf, dumb, or in a serious case of denial. Do you really want The Way to destroy our youths' ability to relax, reflect, study, and meditate? I think not. The Way is doing more harm than good to its cause. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. The Way does, and that's why many people are convinced that it and its lieutenants are puppets of licentious heresiarchs. I can't comment on that, but I can say that on the issue of philistinism, The Way is wrong again. Sure, this is what its operatives try to prevent us from hearing about on radio and television or reading about in popular magazines and large-circulation papers. But we can all have daydreams about Happy Fuzzy Purple Bunny Land, where everyone is caring, loving, and nice. Not only will those daydreams not come true, but The Way constantly insists that a book of its writings would be a good addition to the Bible. But it contradicts itself when it says that a richly evocative description of a problem automatically implies the correct solution to that problem. I have a soft spot for grotesque caitiffs: a bog not too far from here. There are three fairly obvious problems with The Way's viewpoints, each of which needs to be addressed by any letter that attempts to get the facts out in the hope that somebody will do something to solve the problem. First, I don't want my community tainted with such blatant commercialism. Second, The Way is an uncivilized tadpole swimming in a lethargic pond. And third, I have a dream, a mission, a set path that I would like to travel down. Specifically, my goal is to point out that the emperor has no clothes on. Of course, I can say one thing about it. It understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount -- not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that if The Way succeeds in its attempt to suck up to morally repugnant spongers, it'll have to be over my dead body. Whatever else may be the case, it is certain that The Way keeps trying to trivialize certain events that are particularly special to us all. And if we don't remain eternally vigilant, it will undoubtedly succeed. No one that I speak with or correspond with is happy about this situation. Of course, I don't speak or correspond with amateurish, despicable liars and cheats, The Way's confreres, or anyone else who fails to realize that The Way has declared that it's staging a revolt against everyone who wants to initiate meaningful change. The Way's revolting all right; the very sight of it turns my stomach. All kidding aside, it should clarify its point so people like you and me can tell what the heck it's talking about. Without clarification, its vituperations sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense. Just look at the bill of fare served up in recent movies and television programs, and you will hardly be able to deny that The Way has been doing "in-depth research" (whatever it thinks that means) to prove that its opinions represent the opinions of the majority -- or even a plurality. I should mention that I've been doing some research of my own. So far, I've "discovered" that I've known some party animals who were impressively mischievous. However, The Way is smarmy, and that trumps mischievous every time. It's unfortunate that The Way has no real morals. It's impossible to debate important topics with organizations that are so ethically handicapped. As a parting thought, remember that I don't much care to share the same planet as The Way. LOL complaint

Well, for me...my answer stems out of Way philosophy (which is quite ironic). Either accept the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, that the Bible has 'everything pertaining to life and godliness', and that is your ONLY standard in life, or reject the whole thing. Either be hot or cold, not lukewarm. So for me, i cant accept some parts of it, and ignore other parts i dont like. So basically, i no longer accept the Bible as the only source of knowing "God". I no longer go to ANY sort of church, or organized religious gathering of any kind. I do not believe in blind faith and accepting an "invisible man" as any sort of savior. I think religion is just an excuse to stop thinking about life and a lazy mans way to get easy answers to lifes tough problems/mysteries. Everyone has their own path in life, and their own answers they need to dig out for themselves which is HARD, but it IS easier to go to a church and get spoon fed all of the answers. One religion cannot possibly have all the answers. I have been a part of a religious organization for many years, and if that is as good as it gets....forget it. I will not tolerate another person having any sort of power over my decisions, my life, my views, my politics, ANYTHING. whether i succeed or fail in life, that will be my OWN choosing and responsibilty rests squarely on MY shoulders. I saw nothing in The Way that warrants a continued journey down the path of Christian fundamentalism. I think that all organized religions put "God" in a box and all think they have all the answers. screw that and screw them. I believe there is a definite Godhead, and He/She is bigger than all religions and has so many ways in which one can come to know their spirituality. I feel closer to God being out in Nature, going camping, rafting, observing wild animals, whatever, than sitting in some church somewhere indoors. My dream is for all of these religious organizations, zealots, the fundamentalists, to keep fighting, and one day they will kill each other all off. Then we will be finally free of these lunatics... :)

"Maybe he's a greasepot lurker." they all are....most dont have the courage to post and have honest discussions on whats going on, past, present, future. then on myspace they ban people who ask honest questions, erase posts for being "negative", and so on. that is NOT a group i want to be apart of. be open, be honest, talk about it, and learn. move on. do not hide this hideous, ungodly behavior that happened, then act like it never happened. for god's sake, if no communication can happen between affected parties, no healing can occur. its like they think the past does not affect the status of The Way right now. I am OVER the fact these MANY scandals occured. Whenever humans are involved, there WILL be sin. There WILL be mistakes. We WILL fall short of the glory of God. That is a PROMISE. They think that the .... that went down should not happen in God's houshold, when the Word is over the World. Ya think? :blink: So if that kind of evil can happen in what should have been a "clean" household, it calls into question the authenticity of such claims. That is why they do not talk about the sins of the past in an open forum. Only until backed into a corner of lawsuits and public exposure do people learn about the REAL nature of supposed 'men and women of God'. A bunch of frauds in my opinion, who could NEVER live up to their own beliefs, and expected the rank and file to tow a line they COULD NEVER TOW. The reason they hated us going online was because for the most part, alot of what was there was TRUE. Why else would they be so scared of it? If they had nothing to fear, they wouldn't give two sh#ts about if a person checked them out online. but of course, things are just the opposite... <_<

"It's sad because he has great enthusiam but in the wrong place." Yes, wasn't that us at one time?? :) its so frustrating because all we can do is sit back and wait to help with the fallout when it eventually happens.

well, for starters, that billy kid is an unlearned parrot of Way propaganda. "Lorna" was really giving to them! i do not believe in the Trinity, so i agree with the answers given, again, not unique to The Way ONLY. But about Revelations, that book is pretty much "hands off". I dont think The Way teaches its the only book that takes place in the future, that kid dosnt know whats going in most of his posts... then again im not up on the most RECENT teachings... :)

"The whole thing is built on a mountain of sin. Think about that for a minute: not one honest leader in 60 years!" wow...

nice thread... i just sorta held my breath, for awhile. stayed diligent and alert in my life. one day became one week. One week became one month. Months became a year. NOTHING. No greasespot!! In fact, i was advancing in life, instead of being tied down by meetings, classes, witnessing, set-ups, moving, etc. I became unfettered and have been sprinting ever since!! i have no regrets, not worried...AT ALL. If im wrong, well...at least I AM HAPPY, and can look myself in the mirror, EVERYDAY and be satisfied with my life. When in The Way, that was not possible. And if im punished for THAT, then God can BITE IT!! and its not like, i am a slug in life. Ive studied and read about MY interests, and stuff i care about...deeply. in doing that, i still continue to help people that WANT my help or advice. Banging on a 100 doors on a Sunday afternoon is no where NEAR as fulfilling as that!!

nice post, ricky. many things to consider in that. it IS obvious that changes are being made. is this evolution due to the fact that this organization has its back against a wall, due to the exposure of its sick under belly, for the WHOLE world to see? or are the changes natural, after losing its dictator....everyone is finding more room to breath and make the Word their own, under the umbrella of Way doctrine, teaching, and fellowship? interesting...

I do not think anyone is putting you down. We all had the choice, (ahh hem...until we were adults) to do what we want. The Way specializes in manipulation of truth, or what is truth to a conservative, fundamentalist organization. There is alot of great things that they do, but they do not have the monoply on the research, on teaching techniques, biblical truths...or whatever you want to talk about, and DO NOT have much in original work. They would LIKE you to think that, but if you are serious about growing spiritually, you need to look at the 'fruit' they are producing. Like JC, said.."by their fruits you shall know them.", or something to that extent. What is the fruit of all The Way presidents, for example? Not godly. Way dogma expects followers to tow a very hard line, while leaders in the upper echelons live their lives in such ungodly and hypocritical manner. Only until they are backed into a corner, will they put on the appearance of a "kinder, gentler" Way Int. Do not be fooled...do the research, check out the past, and you will see the present is all too familiar.

What do you mean ALOT more? like 5 or 6? Make TWI theirs? Lets look at all the "presidents" of The Way. VPW, stole most of PFAL from BG Leonard, and plagerized most of his early works from other people. There is a thread on this somewhere. VPW was also a sex offender and most likely an alchohalic. Great teacher though, and great with people. LCM, mini VPW. Major sex offender and power tripper. Great teacher once again. Wrote a crappy book however, Rise and Expansion. Taught that Eve had a sexual relationship with the Devil, among other idiotic things in WAP. Rosalie...most boring teacher ever. Knew the going ons of LCM, maybe VPW, as well. Did NOTHING to call LCM on his ungodly actions for YEARS, until forced to by a lawsuit. the rest is history. the youth of the ministry today, alot didnt have to survive the Indiana Campus. Dont get me started on all the going ons there. "Make TWI theirs?" Why do you want to be affliated with these people? Birds of a feather, i guess....

I, too, was once a "Lifer". Mini-corps, every class, class crews, Wow-vet, all in my teens. I knew the Board of Trustees and tons of high ranking people. They were like eveyone else, to me. Some were cool, and some were total jackasses. Talk about going agaisnt the popular norm since day 1, holy &$*#!! Every day at school was a battle, and young life was intense. I was thinking about heaven and hell, devil spirits, speaking in tounges, etc...since a very young age, when most kids were content playing outside. Was that healthy?? im still thinking it was not, but i have got a mind like a brick $*@! house now. <_< There was alot of things i loved about The Way. Many, many things. The Rock of Ages was the pinnalce of all things that were good, since it was all about the believers, and sharing the bond of wanting to grow spiritually. You were free to do what you wanted, basically, no eye of Sauron lurked over us just yet.... I know more Bible than most normal peple, no joke. Way style, mind you...but that means Concordance, Lexicons, word studies...blah blah blah And its true, most innies are good people, it is the top circles that are rotten to the core... Today...I have no Way items, whatsoever. They all went into a dumptster. Every syllibus, every book, everything...gone. Something very healing about not being tied down to ONE dogma, one way of thinking, one holy book. One outlook on Life. The whole regiment of studying Wag mags, retemories, class syllibus, adv. class special notes, the collaterals, rise and expansion, studying SNS tapes, mandatory fellowship teachings with a full load in college....was ASININE. But i did it. Twig or FELLOWSHIP....with the same tired old grads, taking about the same stories from the good ol days. The same music playing droningly in the background, nothing exceptional happening to anybody, but working our asses off and gathering 3 times a week because the Word was over the World, and it dosn't get any better than this. THE WORD IS OVER THE WORLD? wow, i was not impressed. Then again....LCM said "spiritually speaking", mind you. I was not impressed with anything in Way World at the end, but i kept doing it, like i always had. I didnt know anything else... Then was the big meeting when we heard LCM had a ONE TIME affair (f*cking liars), and that he would be stepping down...blah blah blah. No one said a word about it after it was over. Small talk, smiles and the normal BS. There was a meeting a few days later, and the LC asked if anyone had any feelings, or wanted to say anything about it. of course, no one said a f*cking peep. just a few stupid questions... i couldnt believe it. I didnt want to be the one to cause a scene, so i just sat there...stewing. I DID HAVE QUESTIONS!! my life was totally committed to God, but in the Way, the teaching is that THEY ARE GOD'S MINISTRY, end of story. It all started with VPW, and we all know the story. So if you walk away from the ministry, you basically walk away from God, and all the special teaching of the way, to be cutoff from the HOUSEHOLD of God forever!! You would indeed, be a GreaseSpot by midnight!! That is some heavy fear, right there. If you had heard that from a youth until adult, that is plain fear tactics. But i brought my questions to the LC in private. He had no idea about what was going on either. We did alot of studying of David, and comparing LCM to David and the whole Uriah thing. Not one of my questions were answered, like was it a one time affair?, how long did this go on? who was involved besides LCM? I think people on the field had no idea and had to rely on info from HQ, so i do not blame my local leadership. I knew deep down something was WRONG. the ministry was stagnat. God was not working like it appeared He once did. There were no signs, miralces and wonders, unless you count "oooh, Father told me to NOT to get that job, so i turned them down.", or "I was soo spiritually upset, i just knew that teacher was a faggot trying to molest my little johhny." oh yes. i forgot the first time i heard the word "fag" or "faggot" was in the Way Ministry, nice, eh? i was extremely homophobic, until i had to spend a summer with a lesbian doing research. they are people with problems, just like all of us...now we are friends. anyways, all of the info on LCM was on total lockdown. No answers were known by local leaderhip, "they knew as much as i did.." I was giving my life to this thing...and i wanted answers. Who wouldn't, unless you are a mindless drone. Then i just did a random search on The Way and LCM, bingo...Waydale appeared first after the magcial Google search. The rest is history. I might be with The Way today, IF leadership had come clean with the past. VPW died from cancer, not this ^#$*@ he was "tired of the fight". years of abusing tobacco and drinking liquor in vast quantities. Abusing women. Karma is a bitch. I dont know what to believe to this day. Ive been to many of his teachings, and knew him as much as young person could. He was quite the teacher, and was so dynamic. Pity that he had his vices as well. LCM, wow. that cat was crazy, i now see. years of abuses is WELL DOCUMENTED. THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP KNEW AND HELPED TO CONCEAL HIS ANTICS. the CURRENT president of the ministry KNEW FOR YEARS WHAT WAS GOING ON. ADULTRY TO THE NTH DEGREE. DESTROYING GOOD PEOPLES LIVES. IT IS ALL IN THE COURT RECORDS, UNDER OATH. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASSES!! follow God and His Word. The ministry is NOT GOD. What do you want to do, young people of myspace? WAKE UP!! you want to go in the Corps and work for pennies? every asepct of your life scheduled? get permission to HAVE KIDS? get permission to HAVE PETS? teach tired foot STOLEN material from VPW and LCM?? no retirement plan? they kicked mrs. wierwille out of her own house, you think they give two &$*#s about your own future?? you want to go on staff? help move the Word over the world? you need to get a job at McDonalds to help do that, since they do not have the money to pay you for full time work. what about insurance and benefits, HA!! WAKE UP!!

wow, the radio idea is AWSOME! keep up the good work, and the guests coming!! hearing the stories and events in people's own words, REALLY makes it "come off the page", so to speak!! great job!!

"they look like nice people..." yes, that's the problem. The last vestages of The Way's future.

i cant get this to link...put this in your browser and see if it works!! http://groups.myspace.com/thewayint it's interesting, especially the thread about "Way International Question"...